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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:03 PM
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New Pew Poll: Obama's Image Slips, His Lead Over Clinton Disappears
(and this poll was taken BEFORE the weekends stupidity by "Obama's former Pastor.")

Note: The survey has a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

Obama's Image Slips, His Lead Over Clinton Disappears


Public Support for Free Trade Declines

Released: May 1, 2008

Summary of Findings



Democratic voters are not as positive about Barack Obama as they were a month ago. Somewhat smaller percentages of Democrats describe Obama in favorable terms, and he has lost his lead over Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination. Nationally, Democratic voters are about evenly divided between Obama and Clinton; Obama holds a slight 47% to 45% edge. In late March, the Illinois senator held a 49% to 39% lead over his New York rival.



The tightening Democratic race reflects a modest but consistent decline in Obama's personal image rather than improved impressions of Clinton. Fewer Democrats ascribe positive qualities to Obama than did so a month ago, with white working-class Democrats, in particular, expressing more skeptical views of the Illinois senator. Since late February, his unfavorable rating has risen six points among all Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters. At the same time, Clinton's unfavorable rating among Democratic voters also has increased by seven points.

Compared with a month ago, race and class are now bigger drivers of preferences in the Democratic contest. Obama has lost ground among whites - especially white working-class voters - who now prefer Clinton by an even larger margin than they did in late March. Her lead among whites who did not attend college has increased from 10 points in March to 40 points today, and her lead among white Democrats who earn less than $50,000 a year has increased from two points to 24 points. Clinton has taken a 10-point lead among white male Democratic voters - erasing Obama's advantage with the group - and she now runs better among Democrats under age 50 than she had previously....

(more at link) <http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=414>
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:08 PM
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1. This is what we figured......
the plan is
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:09 PM
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2. Looks like next Tuesday may be interesting for those that claim the race is over & we're saddled w/
Edited on Thu May-01-08 10:10 PM by papau
Obama and therefor a loss in November.
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MR. ELECTABLE Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:18 PM
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4. Obama took a big hit
But he's STILL more popular than Clinton is.
And she's STILL the weakest candidate.

GET A BRAIN, MORAN
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:21 PM
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6. GET A BRAIN, MORAN??? Do you understand the concept of a +/- 4.5 Margin of Error?
:spank:
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:25 PM
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9. It means there's a greater than 50% chance he's ahead, right?
But anyway, superdelegate trickling is deciding it right now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:35 PM
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:42 AM
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29. If Obama is the nominee
We'll be looking at another 4 years with a Republican president.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:10 PM
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3. One of my favorite headlines ever, I must say. Next up, HILLARY WINS
GO HILLARY!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:19 PM
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5. And notice the lack of replied by the Obama squad?
They always ignore the bad news.

So typical of them.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:32 PM
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14. NI HAO! I'm here....

So, I guess only white democratics votes count for the presidential election?


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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:23 AM
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50. Put that race card back in your pocket.
The overall poll numbers are like Stephan Colbert, they don't see color. They are broken down not just by race -- but by sex, age, gender, etc.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:50 PM
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67. If that was the case.....If race is not factor what is the purpose of this thread? n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:34 PM
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15. I am a Obama supporter. Big deal! It is a poll much like many other polls.
They go up and down. Senator Obama has now distanced himself from Rev. Wright entirely, so this is not hanging over his head like it was before. This poll may have been taken before the melt down of Rev. Wright and Obama denouncing him, but the Wright issue was still getting much airplay. The PA election has also been played up shamefully by those who are for one reason or another supporting Clinton, who had a double digit lead in PA and was always expected to win big. Instead, she won by only 9 points. Even with the powerful and influential Rendell on her side and just about the entire old school Democratic party structure in PA.

When Obama wins in Indiana and NC, these polls and a whole lot else will change.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:17 AM
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48. They don't see it.
If Obama is way down, and goes up by just a point, they see it as a trend. If Hillary comes up from behind, she has to get ahead beyond the margin of error before they consider it. Well, they don't, then it's a bad poll.

And notice how if Obama slips, it's Hillary's fault. If Hillary slips it's Hillary's fault. They sound like my ex-husband.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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64. But she needs to win by six gazillion points and stand on her head and the rest of the superdelegate
would have to all come down with polio, dontcha know.


It's truly funny to watch how genuflection to Obama leads directly to various states of denial and a complete absence of intellectual honesty around here.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:38 PM
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65. Yup, nuff said.
:pals:

Welcome to DU, the tone will get better here after the election is over. :toast:
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:22 PM
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7. He keeps not slipping in delegates though

she has yet to meet the 6/10 delegate mark, and as those slip through her hands like grains of sand, the performance bar gets raised higher and higher.

This was over in WI, and every passing super delegate, and every super delegate is on more grain of sand gone.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:23 PM
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8. Obama's Lead Over Clinton HAS NOT DISAPPEARED
WE DO NOT ELECT OUR LEADERS BY POLLING. WE ELECT THEM BY VOTING. OBAMA'S LEAD OVER CLINTON IS VIRTUALLY INSURMOUNTABLE.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:25 PM
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10. gristy..
THANK YOU!
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:41 AM
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28. If you count
Florida, and eventually they will, she is currently ahead 20,000 votes....
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:02 AM
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40. Except when Obama is ahead.
That's different.

--p!
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:30 AM
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52. If Obama had been ahead in Florida...
and it was not counted -- his supporters would be screaming racism. Olbermann would be having daily special comments insisting they be included.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:15 AM
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47. This needed to be big and bold.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 07:16 AM by DangerousRhythm
Sometimes I think this constant polling actually affects people's opinions and morale, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. It's ridiculous.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:25 PM
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11. Well, after the hammering by the corporate media choir,
this is not bad.


A drop due to less support from the low information voters, i.e., sheeps.


But Thanks for the info! :hi:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:25 PM
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12. Apparently they've been polling Hillary phone banks again....
She's toast.

He's electable

Get over it.
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javierjohnson Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:26 PM
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13. Obama leads McCain by 6% in this poll
That's the part we're not told.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:51 PM
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17. Good catch
And welcome to DU!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:14 AM
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20. Good Catch? That hasn't change at all since last months poll, the problem for both Obama is here...
...in the 3rd paragraph of section 3:

Section 3: The General Election



<http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1294>

While the dynamics of the Democratic primary contest continue to fluctuate, voter preferences in general election matchups between either Obama or Clinton and McCain remain stable. Among registered voters nationwide, Barack Obama holds a six-point edge over McCain (50% to 44%) while Clinton leads McCain by a comparable margin (49% to 45%). Neither race has changed over the past two months, with Clinton and Obama consistently holding slim leads over McCain.

The preferences of independent voters have shifted, particularly in the Obama-McCain matchup. A month ago, 49% of independents favored McCain, while 42% favored Obama. In the current survey, Obama holds a 52% to 41% advantage over McCain among independents. Hillary Clinton, by comparison, continues to struggle to win over independent voters; while Obama currently leads McCain by 11 points, Clinton trails McCain by five (45% to 49%).

While Obama clearly has more appeal than Clinton to independent voters, :hi:this advantage is counterbalanced by his struggles with conservative and moderate Democrats:hi:. Overall, 18% of Democratic voters say they would support McCain over Obama, and the number rises to 23% of conservative and moderate Democrats. By comparison, just 12% of Democrats overall, and 14% of conservative and moderate Democrats, favor McCain over Clinton. Liberal Democrats are equally loyal to the party's nominee whether it is Obama or Clinton.

(Graphic at link) <http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1294>
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 AM
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26. Your liar hilary has
already lost..I don't care how many giant letters you post and bounce around on.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:37 AM
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27. So the party loses conservatives and picks up independents with Obama
...and Obama still wins.

I think jettisoning the conservatives from the party would be healthy for us....especially since they have been openly in bed with right-wingers and enabling all of this crap from the war to horrendous tax cuts to the odious military commissions act, all of which has greatly harmed this country for the last 8 years. Time to build a better party that has a chance of getting something done because people are really suffering out there.

And besides, don't the moderate and conservative Democrats fall over themselves pissing on the liberals heads that we have to attract the independents because they are the ones who REALLY decide elections? It's their big excuse to never offer any plan that actually fixes anything..don't want to look socialist do we? Well, with Obama you get that coveted independent vote and an extra 2% advantage over McCain, but the conservative and moderate Dems now no longer have party loyalty?

Obama has a 2% general election advantage over Clinton according to your posted material, which shows that victory is MORE possible without having to schlep along a bunch of turn-coat Republican wannabe's and cynical triangulators along with us.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:33 AM
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37. How do you think Sen. Clinton putting her support behind Obama for President will affect the outcome
I wonder, seriously, if you think that the combined efforts of the entire Democratic party would do anything less than obliterate the GOP this year.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:20 AM
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21. As is often true, it's what they DON'T tell you that's important. n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 AM
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24. They didn't mention that part because that didn't change from LAST month's poll!
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:36 AM by Up2Late
The parts that changed are what "they" highlighted and I posted just above your post at #20.

Here, I'll even give you the link: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5775206&mesg_id=5776288>
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:53 PM
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18. newer poll, Obama up 16 in NoCarolina and tied in Indiana
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 AM
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30. That's a bogus comparison. That poll covers two VERY RED states, this one is nationwide.
PLUS! Indiana hasn't voted for a Democrat in the General election since 1964 and North Carolina hasn't voted for a Democrat since 1976, and they only did that because they were voting for a fellow Southerner (Jimmy Carter).:eyes:

AND, Zogby pays for his voter list, which is probably why he so often wrong.:banghead:


About the Survey (Pew) <http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1297>

Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Abt SRBI, Inc. among a nationwide sample of 1,502 adults, 18 years of age or older, from April 23-27, 2008. The following table shows the error attributable to sampling that would be expected at the 95% level of confidence for different groups in the survey



Zogby <http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1301>

Survey Methodology 4/30/08 thru 5/1/08

Zogby International commissioned a telephone survey of .

Approximately <30> questions are asked. Samples are randomly drawn from purchased voter registration lists. Zogby International surveys employ sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. Up to six calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of AAPOR’s approved methodologies and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies.

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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:10 AM
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32. Two Indiana GE polls have Obama competitive in Indiana
One poll has him beating McCain by 8

Another poll has him tied with McCain.

(I don't have a link handy so don't bother asking)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:27 AM
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35. I grew up in Indiana, so I know what I'm talking about when I tell you, he won't beat McCain there.
If McCain wins only one state in the GE, it will be Indiana.

If we win Indiana this year with either one of our candidates, I will be shocked.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:31 AM
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36. that may very well be the case,
but for now, according to those polls, democrats have a chance (clinton was tied with him there).
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:14 AM
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44. I live right next door to Indiana in Ohio and have lots of family in Indiana
I agree with what you say. I don't see him winning Ohio either although I do believe Hillary has a good chance here.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:55 PM
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19. Sad. I guess Hillary has succeded in racializing the election.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:21 AM
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22. She's as good at destroying everything she touches as bu$h is. n/t
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 AM
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25. what's sad is that the country had the opportunity
to start transcending some of these divisions. But b/c of Clinton's craven opportunism, I fear that moment is lost.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:01 AM
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38. That may be one of the saddest parts of all this. And something else she has destroyed. n/t
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:45 AM
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58. Clinton opportunism?
Obama is a Junior Senator with very little experience or accomplishments. He is encouraged to run for president. He didn't work for it for years and years, building a resume, he simply gets the OPPORTUNITY and jumps in with both feet!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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63. and Clinton is a junior senator with even fewer accomplishments.
If the nomination were based on years of experience, Dodd, Biden, and Richardson would still be in the race and Clinton wouldn't. (And James Buchanan would have made a great President)

She didn't work for it for years and years building a resume like Dodd, Biden, and Richardson did. She simply gets the OPPORTUNITY and jumps in with both feet!


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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #19
54. So the fact that Indiana...
has a history of racism is Hillary's fault??? So when Indiana went to Bush twice -- that was Hillary's fault?? Jesus Christ!!! Your brains are set on "blame Hillary".
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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62. What are you talking about?
My comments have nothing to do with Indiana specifically. They are in reference to the new Pew research poll that show that the contest has become racialized. This was not the case 2 or even 1 month ago according to the Pew research. Your candidate has succeeded in what she's been trying to do since South Carolina. So what if it sets this country back when we had a chance to move the country forward. As long as it helps Hillary, who cares, right?

Congratulations, RichGirl. Congratulations
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:22 AM
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23. it's too bad Hillary is still losing in the areas that matter...
namely delegates and money. But if polls make you sleep good at night, then whatever floats your boat....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:07 AM
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31. "Hillary no longer losing by massive amounts, almost catches up...
...but fails."

Always a silver lining from the Clinton camp. :sarcasm:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. How does this translate
on the state electoral college map?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
66. Don't know, you should write to the Pew Center and ask them to do that sort of poll...
...I'd like to know that info too.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #31
42. When it's Obama erasing leads and gaining ground, it's proof positive of his preeminence
and it's all we hear about. Now all of a sudden it's different when it's Hillary erasing leads and gaining ground? :wtf:

And, as I have been saying for weeks now, she does much better than obama where it counts, in the key swing states.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:13 AM
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33. So the poison HRC is spreading is get at Obama to, but as it always does
the poison is reaching for her as well, we can never out run what you have started.
HRC is being discovered by all around her for what she is, a Repub Rove mirror image.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:20 AM
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34. Clinton is fucking toast!

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:06 AM
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41. OBAMA +2 against Clinton in GE beats McCain +6 (HRC only beats him +4)
you forgot to post that! :rofl:

Democratic Presidential Nomination:
Obama 47, Clinton 45 Obama +2.0


General Election:
McCain 45, Clinton 49, Und. 6 Clinton +4.0


General Election:
McCain 44, Obama 50, Und. 6 Obama +6.0


http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/414.pdf
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:12 AM
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43. Wrong fool. Hillary does better against McCain in the GE than Obama by 2.2 points.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:08 AM
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45. More cover for vote fraut
Drive the polls so nobody will contest the election fraud.

Right out of the Reich-wing play book.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:10 AM
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46. Give it a week. n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:20 AM
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49. recommend NObama
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:28 AM
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51. Well . . . duh. If the media focused a fraction of the time on Bosnia
that they did on Rev. Wright, it would be more even. Rev. Wright has turned into a cottage industry.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:55 AM
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60. Bosnia...
was at the worst, a misrepresentation. Wright, on the other hand, was 20 years of bad judgement by a man who is running on nothing but his good judgement.

If Clinton were running on her photographic memory, then the Bosnia story would have been a bigger deal.

I was against the war, so I guess that means I have good judgement and deserve to be president. On the other hand, I stopped going to any church a long time ago because of the crap almost every minister spews.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:09 AM
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61. A misrepresentation? Amazing. Absolutely amazing. nt
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:35 AM
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53. So Obama being attacked by all sides helps Clinton
This is not a surprise.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:38 AM
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55. No - it's Obama's extremely poor handling of Wright that is opening voter's eyes
If obama cannot handle wright properly how on earth will he be able to handle foreign enemies of state?

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:39 AM
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56. Sounds like he is bouncing back to me. He was way down a few days ago.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:40 AM
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57. Rise, Hillary, rise!
As the lovely Dr. Maya Angelou would say.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:48 AM
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59. K&R!
:patriot:
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