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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:23 PM
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Why John Edwards can't endorse Senator Clinton:
Because he already had her number in the MSNBC October 30th debate and was on record saying this two minute speech against her. He said he have to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy before he'd believe that Senator Clinton would bring about change. That she represented the status quo. That she is a Washington insider. That she raised the most money, more than even the Republican candidates, from special interests and lobbyists...and it is just one huge, harsh, critical calling-out of Senator Clinton and her campaign:

Quote:
MR. EDWARDS: Thank you very much.

I mean, another perspective on why the Republicans keep talking about Senator Clinton is, Senator, she --
they may actually want to run against you, and that's the reason they keep bringing you up.

What I would say is Senator Clinton just said that she believes we desperately need change in this country, and I -- I agree with that. I actually think we have a system that's broken. It's rigged, it's corrupt, and it does not work for the American people, and it's time we start telling the truth about that. Too much influence from entrenched interests -- insurance companies, drug companies, oil companies. Too much influence from Washington lobbyists.

And so the question I think that voters have to ask themselves is, do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican; the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry -- drug companies, health insurance companies; the candidate who's raised the most money from the defense industry, Republican or Democrat; who -- and the answer to all those questions is that's Senator Clinton -- will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I -- I believe in Santa Claus, I believe in the Tooth Fairy, but I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't.

And I -- I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton's your candidate.
That's what I believe. If they want real change, then they need somebody who tells the truth about a system that doesn't work, who believes that this may actually be the first generation -- we're all worried about this being the first generation that doesn't leave the world and America better for our children, unlike 20 generations that came before us.

This is not an abstract thing. This is not about lobbyists. Matter of fact, it's not about any of us. The truth is, when this election is over, I'm going to be fine. Senator Clinton's going to be fine. Senator Obama's going to be fine. The question is, will America be fine? And will we ensure -- and I think this is the great moral test of our generation -- will we ensure that our children have a better life than we've had? That's the responsibility we have.

End quote.

Bolding is mine.

I believe that this is why most of the Edwards Dems went to Obama. Edwards overtly and pointedly called Hillary Clinton a representative of the status quo and implied several times that she doesn't tell the truth.

Or watch the You Tube video:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq7CAIsSd44>

Post script:

Another quote from the same debate of Edwards speaking about Hillary:

"And then finally she said in our last debate that she was against any changes on Social Security -- benefits, retirement age or raising the cap on the Social Security tax. But apparently it's been reported that she said privately something different than that. And I think the American people, given this historic moment in our country's history, deserve a president of the United States that they know will tell them the truth, and won't say one thing one time and something different at a different time."




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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:27 PM
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1. Yep, and he was
Right on the money with those remarks! :applause:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:29 PM
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2. From Edwards to Obama. Absolutely! n/t
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javierjohnson Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:31 PM
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3. Why can't he endorse Obama? n/t
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:34 PM
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6. I think it hinges on Edwards Healthcare is subtly different from Obama and so...
he is stubborn and doesnt want to back Obama despite every other thing being perfect in Edwards eyes....
There is certainly no chance he will back Hillary.
But because of that tiny difference in Healthcare he wont back Obama either...the Edwards seem very much hardup on just this part of the whole picture and couldnt care less about other policy aspects. strange, but that is how i read it
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:32 PM
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4. Yet he won't endorse Obama and his wife endorses Hillary's health plan
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:35 PM
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8. John prefers Obama but it is the healthcare difference that halts him. No chance for Hillary though
despite his wife saying she prefers Hilalrys healthcare but she also said she thinks Hillary sucks as a nominee
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:39 PM
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11. Have a link that says John prefers Obama?
And that she said Hillary sucks as a nominee?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:45 PM
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18. Well?
Where does Edwards say he prefers Obama? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:50 PM
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20. Waiting ..............................
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:18 PM
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27. lol ignored
the worst fate for a seeker of attention..
plonk
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:42 PM
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14. Considering that the President has NO friggin ability to really change healthcare
It's seriously up to Congress, let's face it...

And both John and Elizabeth recognize this, you'd have to assume they both support Obama but are making their points about the healthcare in the hopes that Obama will support whatever comes out of Congress even if it's not what his campaign is saying it would like to see happen.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:47 PM
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19. Excellent point. Congress introduces the laws...
I'm afraid that we all need a review of School House Rock and how the balance of government and its branches is supposed to work! Bush and Cheney have the citizens (and even us) all convinced that the Executive Branch is WAY more powerful than it really is -- or was ever intended to be! And that its role is to somehow dictate policy and procedure for the other branches (and the citizenry)! HA!

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:39 PM
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12. He was very harshly critical of her - he can't endorse her now
He'd be asked about why all that LOBBYIST MONEY doesn't bother him anymore - because she SURELY HAS RECEIVED EVEN MORE OF IT NOW than she had back in October! Har de har. Maybe it all dried up?

Edwards still has room to endorse Obama because he wasn't quite as critical of him and the lobbyist money and Washington corruption were Edwards two BIGGEST talking points.

I don't know why he isn't endorsing...at first, I was one of those who thought for a long time that the so-called elders and leaders (Gore, Edwards, Carter, etc.) should stay OUT of endorsing. Now I think that it's about time to endorse.

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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:32 PM
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5. true.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:34 PM
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7. Edwards attacked Obama too.
He says Obama won't make the tough decisions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD3CWIh-UP0
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:36 PM
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9. But he DESTROYED Hillary...He's disgusted by Hillary!
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:37 PM
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10. He seemed pretty disgusted with Obama in that clip. nt
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:43 PM
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15. He did. BUT
But it was small-time in comparison. His remarks about Senator Clinton were overtly critical. He had her number. He didn't have the bigtime charge of colluding with lobbyists (Edwards' best talking point) to hammer on Obama with...

And, Edwards was actually spotted a few times during debate breaks encouraging Obama to "get in there!"
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:39 PM
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13. *sigh*
I just really want Edwards back.

:cry:
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:44 PM
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16. eh everybody says stuff that doesn't matter later - but my hunch is he may be
willing to be Obama's VP
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:44 PM
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17. Well, if he's going to weigh in, he better damn well do it.
Come on John, pick a damn horse already.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:51 PM
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22. Monday would be great timing, ultimate impact.....nt
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:50 PM
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21. Bedfordshire for me...sorry I can't stick around to reply tonight
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:54 PM
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23. I'm sure the Hillary campaign's behavior since then has turned Edwards around by now.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 10:54 PM by kwenu
:sarcasm:
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:08 PM
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24. Edwards Was Still A Viable Candidate At The Time
And he's on record for criticizing Obama, as well. So if he endorses anyone, or accepts a VP nod, he will have to come up with a rationale for the turnabout, won't he?

Sorry for the cynicism, but you can't cite outdated stuff like this, especially when you know the context was so very different.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:13 PM
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25. Just found out I panicked for nothing.
I overheard one of my coworkers talking on the phone before and I thought he might have heard from an inside source that Edwards was going to endorse Clinton, but I just talked to him and he said I heard wrong (he would tell me if he knew). So I feel better...got worked up for nothing!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:14 PM
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26. Another Reason: "Just Stand There And Look Pretty John" -- Hillary on the Senate floor to Edwards.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 11:15 PM by berni_mccoy
She basically told him to shut up in a very rude way during deliberation of a bill on the Senate floor.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:46 PM
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28. Plus it does him or his message no good to be on the losing team
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:12 AM
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29. I agree with Edwards' assessment of HClinton's candidacy.
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