Pat Buchanan in tirade against Obama, just said Obama is not "of the white working class" !

On Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan finally went over the top and were simultaneously stroking each other off, bashing Obama right and left, then left and right.

Then Pat Buchanan slipped and said that Obama is not "of the white working class." He continued in his long tirade, but I saw a faint flicker on his experienced pundit face....he realized what he just had said.

Buchanan has made racist statements in the past, but this is outrageous!

Does anyone have the e-mail to the Scarborough show or MSNBC top brass?

Also...the show repeats once, before 8 a.m. CST, if you get a chance to watch it (unless they edit out that part). It's Joe and Buchanan over the top becoming Fox News, totally and unashamedly following the Fox News/GOP Talking Points Memo. Seriously, folks, This show today ceased pretending to be a "balanced" morning news program. It showed itself to be the Republican shill that I had begun to suspect it was of recent days.

The only other time I saw Buchanan slip was a few mos. ago, when he let it slip that the Republican Party, torn aparts during the primary process, was counting on Hillary Clinton to bring them together in the general election (because of the hatred the Repubs have for her, he was speaking about).

Did anyone else see this show this morning? Mika just sat there shaking her head....it was REALLY over the top and unfrickinbelievable!

The fact that these networks continue to put the old racist, sexist bastard on the air says a lot about them.

How in the world does everyone get the e-mail addresses of all these morning shows? I've never figured that out! The shows apparently don't WANT the public to have the addresses, so they are not published.

That's why they pay Pat the big pundobucks.

I found both Pat and Joe to be utterly repulsive this morning. They should have been challenged on their disgusting performances. Obama's mother and grandparents were absolutely "of the white working class."

since America has a "working class" that is of various races.

It's like saying "he's not one of us....he's not white."

is racist is certainly beyond debate. The discussion on white working class voters provides an opportunity for his racism to be expressed. However, the topic of white working class voters is not in and of itself racist. It is a segment of the democratic primary voters that both Clinton and Obama attempt to communicate with. Both Pat and Joe were saying that Obama has no connection to the white working class; hence, the fact that his mother and grandparents, who he lived with in his formative years, were working class whites is indeed important.

as if that is a detriment.

Buchanan's exact quote was "Barack's problem that is that he's not of the white white working class. He doesn't understand them the way he asks us to understand Rev. Wright and the crowd -I mean the the folks in South Chicago at that church."

I'm very reticent to call people and comments racist. THAT is racist.

1. It's a flat out lie. Barack Obama DOES come from the white working class.

2. Buchanan implies that Obama IS of "the crowd in South Chicago at that church" which he isn't.

3. He also implies that "the crowd in South Chicago at that church" are NOT working class.

4. Perhaps worst of all, he and Joe both continue to make very clear that because Obama is not white, he is somehow deficient. That his not being "of" the white working class is a PROBLEM to be overcome, not just a fact of birth. No one can help onto which ethnic group they are born. but these people continue to insist that being white is the norm and everyone else must somehow find a way to "transcend" their non-white status in order to be acceptable.

I have not heard either of these people EVER imply much less come out and say that any white politician was in any way "disconnected" because they are not "of" the black community, or demand that THEY "transcend" their whiteness in order to be acceptable.

This man is an outright downright racist and it is long past time for people to DEMAND that MSNBC take him off the air!

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{1} Pat Buchanan is a racist.
{2} Barack Obama is from a white, working class background.

Because Pat Buchanan is racist does not mean that every topic he discusses is also racist -- even if he takes a racist stance each and every time. In the democratic primary, there are numerous groups of voters that the campaigns attempt to reach: male and female; young and old; black, brown, red, yellow and white; grass roots, working class, college students, etc. In each and every one of these cases, we can count on Pat and Joe to take a pro-Hillary and anti-Barack stance. They will lie, distort, smear, and appeal to everything but the truth.

background.

"...he and Joe both continue to make very clear that because Obama is not white, he is somehow deficient. That his not being "of" the white working class is a PROBLEM to be overcome, not just a fact of birth."

must be "of" the black community in order to "deserve" the support of black voters.

I haven't heard Buchanan or Scarborough or Matthews criticize Clinton for not hanging out in the black community in Philly or Raleigh or Indianapolis, playing bid whist with the fellas or getting her hair done in the neighborhood beauty shop or hitching a ride to the job with a black worker. Her failure to capture more than a handful of black votes is not blamed on her "failure to connect" to African-American voters - hell, it's not even seen as her "problem.". It's BLACK FOLKS' fault that they're not voting for Clinton - after all, they're just voting for the black guy because he's the same color as they are.
In other words, whether you're a candidate or a voter, if you're black, it is YOUR responsibility to "transcend" your race by reaching out to and crossing over to the "right" (i.e. "white") side - and to just be grateful that the "people" are willing letting you in.

it was racist. And what's more, I detected by his facial expression that he knew it was and that he'd screwed up. But he kept talking, & Scarborough changed the subject (still putting the screws to Obama, but in a different vein).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

Just scroll down, and it's on the right.

of friends,of all races, that are sick and tired of these evil doers.
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Sick and tired and will NOT vote for McCain or Clinton- they are one in the same.

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And, since Joe hates that Keith Olbermann had higher ratings than his, I always send one off to Keith, too. countdown@msnbc.com

BTW, I quit watching Joe and watch CNN instead during that time slot. He isn't worth my time.

weeks before the Wright scandal even hit. I remember him trying to push that on Rachel Maddow, and she was like "Wait a minute! How to you explain him winning Iowa? He is winning the white vote in states!You try to stereotype his supporters and it gets....ridiculous!"

Pat really loses control sometimes (well, the "facade" slips), and it is not a pretty sight. I still can't believe the shit that Pat gets away with. "A brief for Whitey."?! And he would actually mention that "piece of work" on air?

Keith is the only who calls hillary on her crap, and he is DEAD to hillary supporters.

Mika is pretty fair when she's not being shouted down by joey and pat.

They are always "over the top" in my opinion.

I've been aware for some time of Scarborough's shilling for the GOP, but I believe that today, they pulled out the plug and let out the remaining water.

This was very much over the top. Mika seemed to think so, too. She couldn't even speak. She just sat there, shocked like, and shook her head.

The two, Joe and Buchanan, just colluded together to try to influence tomorrow's primary, and Buchanan just couldn't let the race card pass by w/o trying to use it.

BTW...Clinton recognizes this is a "friendly" show...she's been on it a couple of times. You shoulda seen Joe fawning all over her. Does he want her to be Prez? Of course not. He's Republican. He just wants her to be the opposing candidate because, like Buchanan said, they are good soldiers doing their duty to the Republican Party, and they are counting on Clinton bringing their party together and getting out the Republican vote in November.

I may be mistaken is there a primary tomorrow.

I thought today was Monday! Yippeee!!!!! I get this weekend off!

Joe "You remind me of an intern I used to have" Scarborough.

I think that Joe Scarborough only likes "feisty women" (He always says that he loves those feisty Clinton women, Chelsea and Hillary) in theory. But when a feisty woman disagrees with him (Mika is not very agressive in her opinions, so maybe she shouldn't qualify as "feisty". But she gets shut down pretty quickly if she says anything that Joe disagrees with. Rachel, on the other hand, is definitely feisty, and obviously intimidates Joe...what with her facts and knowledge. But maybe Joe thinks that Rachel shouldn't qualify as an appealing sort of "feisty woman" since she is a lesbian. I could definitely see Joe Scarbs thinking that the feisty woman theme holds only when sex is a possibility), he gets red in the face.

a whole segment this morning.

She lets Joe get away with dissing her because she has to. But she sure looks like she wants to smack him (actually she did smack him today with an empty box holding a faux birthday present for her).

One of these days, Joe, POW! Right in the kisser!

Anyone that would not get up and walk out long ago is just as guilty.

Who are the sponsors of Morning Joe.

I want to send their names by way of a fast moving train.

The UIR --- Undergroud Internet Railroad.

--and contains links to msnbc producers.

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I wouldn't get up and walk out on my job because 2 of my bosses are badmouthing a presidential candidate. Get real.

Is that good or bad?

Keep up the good work!

most of whom are millionaires, were obsessed over Rev. Wright and pressured Obama to publicly denouce Rev. Wright, but they have no problem with McCain pursuing Rev. Hagee who wants to use taxpayer dollars to ignite Armageddon.

through their white prism, so it becomes logical and the right way to think...they don't even recognize it for what it is. Like being color blind (pun was accidental....really!).

I've never been a big fan- but there were times previously that I actually agreed, much to my surprise, with some things he said. His tirade against Obama and his obvious hope that Clinton gets the nomination (so that the GOP can unleash what they've been stashing up for years), is beyond annoying. He's over the top now and I cannot listen any more.

Or Scarborough for that matter.

I'd think they'd take the tilt to the left that Olbermann is driving and map it to the network. I don't want a "liberal Fox News" but it would be nice to have a place that is void of the brainless spew of people like Buchanan and Scarb. MSNBC has some decent shows at prime time, but their entire morning and daytime setup is for the birds.

She will be as good, if not better, fund raiser for McCain as she has been for Obama.

Racism is harder to hide the more exercised they get.

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I quit watching cable nooze (I make an exception for Countdown) shortly after Obama gave his race speech. IMO, Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan should not be given a public platform to air their racist/sexist/bigoted opinions. I finally ditched m$nbc after realizing that my efforts to get these lowlifes off the air resulted in giving each of them more face time.

I expect this kind of crap from Fux, but not from m$nbc. When Olbermann's ratings took off, I had such high hopes for them, which probably explains why my disappointment in what they've become has been so difficult to swallow.

Not only am I outraged that KKKPat let "white" slip out of his drool hole, but what presidential candidate running falls into the "working class" category in Patworld?

They crossed the line and I'm sure that they are now receiving tons of email. I know I sent mine off. Is THIS what passes for journalism these days?

Pat Buchanan is an avowed racist and Republican and yet MSNBC finds NO PROBLEM having him to "analyze" the Democratic primaries? HE gets to talk about Rev. Wright? The nerve of these people. Buchanan has said the most racist stuff and yet everyone on that network kisses his ass. And Scan just disrespects Mika every morning. I feel sorry for her. He seems like he is abusive.

the air when she said something he didn't like. I cannot believe he and Pat are still given face time. Says alot about m$nbc.

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he's definitely opining from Klan position.

Go Go buzz words.

Barak obama is american. This whole thread is stupid. Those here arguing that he is not white need to look at his mother and her side of the family. It's the same tactic used to argue that he's not black enough. Mr. Obama comes from a multi-racial family. He represents both pretty much equally. And I must say he represents them in a more positive and inspiring sense than almost anyone I've seen recently.

I am proud to be an American like Barak Obama.

These guys are melting down because they have been working so hard to pump up Clinton and they can now see the Party coming together to end that operation.

Get used to it, guys. Starting next week, McCain has to start defending the Bush record he intends to perpetuate -- you know, the record that 80% of the country is against. And their won't be any Hillary in the way for McCain to hide behind.

Let's get ready to rumble.

And I'm not defending PB. I just think it's hurtful to cry "racism" every time race is brought up.

People on here spout off about Obama having the black vote tied up and how HRC doesn't represent the views of black voters (anymore ).

Is that racist?

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And it's not about what people may or may not say on DU.

This is about a network commentator, going on air and saying, without challenge, that a black candidate's "problem" is that he is "not of the white working class."

Not only is this inaccurate - since Obama's family WAS white and WAS working class - it suggests that it is a problem for someone to NOT be OF the white working class. By definition, that excludes most black people since most black people cannot, by definition, be OF the white anything any more than most white people cannot be OF the black anything.

I have never once heard Buchanan suggest that the fact that Hillary didn't come from black working class roots or that the fact that Bill Clinton or any other politician didn't grow up, live or work in the black community was in any way a "problem" for them.

Buchanan continually talks about the need for Obama and other black politicians to "transcend" their race - as if there is something wrong with being black and we can only be accepted if we get as far away from the black as possible. This wouldn't be so bad if he expressed the same expectations of whites - suggesting that EVERYONE transcend race and find common ground somewhere in the non-racial middle - but he doesn't. He treats white culture, race and society as if they are the norm that everyone else should aspire to - which, among other things, means that anyone who is NOT white, starts off at a natural disadvantage and must "catch up" in order to get to the point where most white people automatically start without any effort.

He is a racist. His comments were racist. And there is absolutely no excuse for MSNBC to continue putting this man on the air.

It's quite simple: Obama IS NOT a part of the white working class. He's not one of them. They pointed that out in PA...through their VOTES.

Obama spelled out clearly in his book how he tried desperately to be more "black."

Is that point lost on you?

In NC, Buchanan's sending Democrats to the booth for Obama with that crap. New voters, young voters, African Americans, transplants, and college-educated voters will carry the state. Obama's up with women and men here. Rant on, Pat.

He also chortled in his book about how he and his siblings liked to spray their black nanny with the water hose and how she was such a great sport about it. He actually cited this as an example of how great white folks and black folks got along with each other in the segregated fifties when the District of Columbia was "still safe for white folks" (paraphrasing Pat only a little).

...so his opinion is worthless.

That guy is an asshat. :mad:

Just not in the way Buchanan intended. Obama is very smart, compassionate, empathetic and mostly open minded. Nothing AT ALL like far too many of the white working class in these parts.










Yes, I'm being snippy on purpose. My family is full of white working class people who are good Dems, but as I said, even they aren't always the most progressive of people. And unfortunately far too many of the white working class in this area have turned republican over the guns, god and gays issues. :eyes:

Make no mistake - this isn't about being of the white working class. This is about Obama not being white. Plain and simple.C

Maybe you missed that?

But yes, I agree that anything Buchanan (or some others for that matter) has to say about Obama is based on his race.

I'm sure most of the 'white working class' knows how to operate coffee machines.

Buchanan is the one who advised Richard Nixon to "tear the country into pieces and we'll pick up the biggest piece." Nixon did. It worked. That has been the Republican tactic ever since.

Letter sent, will send more to msnbc producers.

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he would be history on MSNBC that day, but they brought him back.

ie. "Hometown girl" offensive.

He worked in Nixon's White House. Doesn't that tell you enough?

single white mother and food-stamps comments, and his Butwiper beer swilling.

All that being said, PB is probably just being his usual, racist, idiotic self.

How does talking about his family mean that he's "claiming to be part of the white working class?" He IS part of the white working class - but unlike other folks, he doesn't beat everyone about the head with it - even when people accuse him of being "elitist."

First, it's not true. Obama IS of the "white working class." I know that's hard for some folks to wrap their minds around, given his darker hue, and all. But it's true.

Second, even if that were true, what does that have to do with anything. Does a politician have to be "of" a certain group in order to get their votes? Or does that only apply to black politicians? Cause I sure as hell have not seen Buchanan or any other commentator insist that Hillary Clinton or any other white politician haven't earned black votes because they're not black. And they have yet to demand to demand that she run around black neighborhoods trying to fit in with the black folk. Apparently not being white is a "problem" for Obama - how convenient since that is a characteristic he can never change.

Buchanan's claim was not only false, it was rank racism.

It's my understanding that BO has identified himself with the black community for various reasons as he has explained so eloquently in his writings, speeches, and interviews. IMO, BO's admissions answer the question whether he is from the white or black community?

The issue of "working class" is interesting and for political reasons I can see why BO would want to be classified as one who "worked" for his living.

I have not studied BO's background like his supporters but IMO BO has led a privileged life compared to those who survive on minimum income work and traditional blue-collar jobs.

His parents were full-time college students at the University of Hawaiiʻi at Mānoa and IMO most of the electorate will not view that as "working class" jobs.

His mother's work in rural development hardly qualifies her as a member of the "working class".

BO attended upper school at the prestigious Punahou School in Honolulu paid for by his grandmother who was a Vice-President at The Bank of Hawaii. That hardly qualifies as "working class"

His biography shows he is "a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and lawyer before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004." IMO most of the electorate will not accept that as part of the "working class".

Wikipedia has some interesting links at
Race and ethnicity in the United States Census.
Working class

But I am sure you can find someone else who might benefit from your Wikipedia-based insights into race, class and ethnicity in America.

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sell his Mercedes when he ran his FAILED bid for the Presidency, to appear to be "one of the boys."

Lawrence O' got him good with that the other day. He was railing about how Obama's not connecting with working class voters (whites), he is seen as an elitist (uppity), blah blah, and Lawrence stopped him in his tracks with that little reminder. All the blowhard could do was laugh at his own ignorance.

He really has no place near anything that amplifies his voice, let alone a place that does that while showing you his nasty, perpetually scowling face. Guess they're trying to compete with FOX.