Obama supporters: Wishful thinking about the video circulating.....

Greenwood

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Fri May-02-08 10:38 AM
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Obama supporters: Wishful thinking about the video circulating.....

Happened 16 years ago.

Big difference between that and a RACIST pastor that Obama listened to for over 20 years. And stayed.

Hillary will win Indiana by between 7-11 points and, mark my word, NC will be close.

Obama is damaged goods and cannot win.

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meow mix

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Fri May-02-08 10:39 AM
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1. figures a hillary supporter will defend hillarys racist allies.

birds of a feather..

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Greenwood

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Fri May-02-08 10:40 AM
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3. Huh? What about Obama's racist pastor?

Big difference.

Reality.

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Mooney

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Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM
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8. What did Wright say that was racist?

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meow mix

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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13. link please? lets see his racial slurs.

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Mooney

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Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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16. ...

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babylonsister

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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How is he racist? Please inform us all, oh wise one. Seems like that

shoe might fit you.

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oviedodem

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Fri May-02-08 10:39 AM
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2. 16 years ago sure, BUT he is an advisor and called every caucasian person

in the state and offensive term. Second, this reflects badly on the Clinton's in general.

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WilliamPitt

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Fri May-02-08 10:40 AM
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4. It's on MSNBC.com now, so...

Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM by WilliamPitt

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/972175.aspx

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Jed Dilligan

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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11. .

Ruh Roh!

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graycem

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Fri May-02-08 10:45 AM
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25. Hahaha!

Karma is a woohoo~ :P

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Mooney

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Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM
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5. You're right, nobody will have any problem with the use of the word "ni**er"

because an advisor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign said it 16 years ago.

Yup, YouTube's of people saying the n-word never get much traffic.

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bunnies

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Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM
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6. And how long have the Clintons been friends with Kantor?

20? 30 Years? Longer than Obama has even known Wright. Nice company those Clintons keep.

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BattyDem

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Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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29. Combined with Hillary's "Screw 'Em" remark ...

it's pretty clear how they feel about white working-class voters.

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NJmaverick

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Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM
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7. so 7 years ago, is OK... 16 is not OK?

Do you have a chart or something we can use?

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Mooney

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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14. You don't need a chart.

If it's the HRC campaign, it's a non-issue, but if it's someone Obama knows, it's the worst, most atrocious thing ever to happen in the history of America.

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Danger Mouse

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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9. Ha! I'd love, just once, to see a Clinton supporter on Du admit to a Clinton mistake.

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Starbucks Anarchist

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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10. Kantor is an ADVISER to Hillary's campaign and ran Bill's '92 campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/17/AR2008011703607_pf.html

Still, campaign advisers said the former president is a net plus given his vast popularity with Democratic loyalists. "I start laughing every time I hear it -- 'Is it positive or negative?' " said former commerce secretary Mickey Kantor, Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign chairman and an adviser to Hillary Clinton.

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Symarip

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Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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12. With 35 years of all the kick ass experience under her belt

You'd think she'd know better than to keep a (not so) closeted racist around as an advisor.

Oh silly me, I just spilled a latte all over my italian suit.

Ready to shoot herself in the foot on day one? Yes she will.

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Vinca

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Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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15. The Clintons have kept Kantor around all those years and it doesn't

help that Carville and Stephanopoulos are snickering either. Actually, it's probably worse than Rev. Wright since Kantor has been on the payroll - if not now, in the past.

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CoffeeCat

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Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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17. All of this negative spinning...

...it's like being in a room with a bunch of rabid sorority girls who
don't know what they're talking about .

Despite your spin and your ill-informed negativity--we Dems select our
nominee based on the delegate count.

Our primary isn't determined by who wins the most big states, or non-caucus
states or the popular vote.

Delegate count.

Check into it.

You might want to go check into it now.

I'll wait here.

You go.

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sfam

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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18. Wait, you're not actually suggesting the MSM works based on logic and rationality, are you???

I really hope your not. We all know the MSM works on sensationalism and innuendo, which leads to lots of idiotic pundit banter. PLEASE explain to me how this video is NOT sensationalistic, or that it will NOT provide opportunities for idiotic pundit banter?

I'm really interested in hearing this...

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democrattotheend

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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19. If you can prove Obama was there for any of the offensive sermons, you'll have a point

Otherwise it's a pretty good analogy, especially since Kantor continues to be on Clinton's staff. And like the sermons, this documentary was public and the Clintons probably watched it at some point and either failed to notice the comment or did not care. If we expect Obama to vet his church and keep up with everything his pastor ever says, then we can expect the same of the Clintons, especially with people who are on their payroll.

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graycem

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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20. Guilt by association

REALLY sucks when it comes back to haunt you. :)

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Jed Dilligan

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Fri May-02-08 10:48 AM
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31. Guilt by association.

It's not just for black people anymore.

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graycem

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Fri May-02-08 10:52 AM
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36. Hah!

We should all just keep saying, "He would NOT have been MY adviser!" with as much fake indignation we can muster.

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earthside

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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21. Deluded, You Are.

Kantor is an '08 Hillary advisor. That is NOW.

Wright was a pastor ... and he did not say the same thing over and over again in every sermon for twenty years.

Kantor is a Clinton(s) friend, confidante and supporter ... and remember, you get to chose your friends.

Old Hill is doomed and has already lost.

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Robbins

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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22. Oh Really

He was an adviser to the clintons from 1992 to the present.Very soon he will be asked to leave.
If you want to media assassinate Obama by using Wright's word which Obama never uttered(and let's
remember Obama Is half white and was mainly raised by his White Mother and Grandparents and has a
a half asian half sister) then a Clinton advisor's words are relvenet.New polls from NC are showing
Obama Is recovering there following his denouncement of Wright,and things could get close In
Indiana.

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L0oniX

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Fri May-02-08 10:44 AM
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23. Welcome to my ignore dungeon

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BeyondGeography

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Fri May-02-08 10:45 AM
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24. The guy who negotiated NAFTA calling people "worthless white ni**ers"?

Settle in, it's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

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nyccitizen

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Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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26. 16 years ago yes, but he is STILL an advisor

If she kicked him to the curb it would be one thing, but he is still around. No chance in hell Hillary didn't watch "The War Room" at some point. She definitely saw him say this and kept him around.

I was born in St. Louis, and let me tell you, if I saw footage of a current Obama friend calling Missourians "Worthless White N******", it wouldn't matter if it happened 16 years ago or 60 years ago. I'd be done with him.

She's just lucky this is coming out now and not a week ago. Unlikely it will circulate enough over the weekend to have any kind of dramatic effect by Tuesday AM.

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wowimthere

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Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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27. Here is the #1 problem with your post. Obama knew Wright for 20 years...

Hillary talked about how Obama shouldn't have stayed at the church. She's a hypocrite. Bill Clinton should not have continued to allow him to work for him. They go back a long way, don't they?

Sounds like we already know that Clinton is damaged goods. She will not win because she has already lost. Even if she wins both primaries, she has lost because it is about elected delegates... nothing else.

Your delusions of Popular votes is smashed because people have not even talked about the caucuses. They do account for votes. And if you count them... Obama smashes the popular vote metric. She is only in this to sabotage the winner.

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tokenlib

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Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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28. Depends on how bored the MSM is.. If you take the Mickey Kantor.....

..ststement and tie it to Hillary telling Bill "you don't owe them anything" it reinforces the idea the she is shallow and elitist.

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boobooday

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Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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30. Yeah, it was just a momentary attitude

on the part of someone who has been associated with them since 1992, and continues to "advise" the campaign.

She will not win Indiana now.

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SoxFan

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Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM
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32. I never believed in reincarnation until I joined DU

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npincus

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Fri May-02-08 10:50 AM
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33. Want to live by "GUILT-by-ASSOCIATION" (Wright) then you must

Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:50 AM by npincus

die by guilt-by-association (Mickey Kantor).

You CAN'T have it both ways. :rofl:

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berni_mccoy

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Fri May-02-08 10:51 AM
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34. Clinton supporters: Whishful thinking the MSM won't pick up on this. Ooops... too late.

They already have. Say good night Hillary.

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thewiseguy

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Fri May-02-08 10:51 AM
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35. The video is already circulating!

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truebrit71

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Fri May-02-08 10:52 AM
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37. Do.The.Math.

STILL not enough delegates even IF your pipe-dream hallucination comes true...

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DadOf2LittleAngels

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Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM
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38. The big difference is Hillaries baggage

1) Has an advisory position on her campaign
2) Has a position of power in her husbands administration (her source of all this experience she touts)
3) Has a 40 year relationship with Hillary..

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Obama will destroy her in NC and *if* hillary manages to win IN it will be very close, having a long term advisor outed as thinking the people of your state are s&^* and white n*&&^rs is worth at least a loss of 4 points..

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Indenturedebtor

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Fri May-02-08 11:09 AM
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40. Agreed

I'm from Indiana and this video makes me want to punch this guy in the side of the nose (to make sure it breaks). Alot of Hoosiers will feel the same way. There is ALOT of state pride in Indiana... way more than the other states I've lived in. Now since we can't reach out and touch this asshole I think that many will do it through the voting booth.

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Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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39. Kantor is a CURRENT hrc advisor.

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