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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:05 AM
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Kantor denies he ever uttered the words in video
A former aide to President Bill Clinton, and current informal adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, expressed outrage and shock on Friday after a videotape from 1992 surfaced allegedly showing him describing Indianans as "white n---rs."

Mickey Kantor, who served as campaign chairman during Clinton's 1992 run for the White House and says he has offered help and advice to Sen. Clinton, insisted that the tape was a fraud and that he was exploring legal steps against the individual who posted it online.

"I've never used that word in my entire life, ever, under any circumstance, ever," an angry Kantor told The Huffington Post, citing his and his parent's work fighting for civil rights...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:05 AM
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1. That's not me - I HAVE AN EVIL TWIN !!!
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JanErikFl Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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2.  Ben Smith at Politoco says the Video is Fake !!
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM by JanErikFl
I've been a bit reluctant to post the day's much-emailed, 15-year old clip from 'The War Room' for a couple of reasons -- vintage, and differences from the original.

So this is kind of interesting: Mickey Kantor claims that the clip, in which subtitles have him claiming that the people of Indiana are ... excrement ... and then using a racial slur has been doctored.

He claims to have been deriding the polls, not the people, of Indiana -- I can't actually make out the word. And he denies using the n-word.

Take a look at the recently posted video; and compare with the video and audio around 4:45 from this fuller clip from the video. The offensive bit, which doesn't quite seem to match his lips, is also totally inaudible in the original. It seems to have been added in the new version.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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6. It comes straight from a movie, if they had misquoted him he would have corrected it
many years ago. After all, who would possible want to be on record saying that?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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9. sorry it was doctored
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:09 AM
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13. Then where is the undoctored footage??????????????????
Still waiting.............
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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17. doesnt hold water, context was election returns. not polls
i need to see the undoctored version if there is one
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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21. You forgot to post the link to the undoctored video
This was taken from a movie. Now that lying sack Mickey Kantor, suddenly doesn't like that these remarks are surfacing at the worst possible time. So now he is following the lead of his boss and LYING about it.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:12 AM
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19. Sure....
...just like the REAL sniper fire left out of Hillary's landing, right?

:eyes:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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26. So, watch the DVD yourself and see.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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36. Here is a fuller version...
listen at around 4:40 to 4:45. It sounds exactly the same, and if you turn the volume up very loud, close your eyes, and listen closely he uses the words "worthless white n***ger."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:38 PM
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46. Doctored how?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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28. It was doctored desperado. Get a grip and get a life
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:10 AM
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14. Ben Smith never said that.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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33. I watched the longer clip in its entirety. He said it.
Closed my eyes and put my ears to the speaker. It's audible. That's exactly what he said.

I do agree, however, that the audio is enhanced on the youtube clip, but it's not fabricated. The clip that Ben Smith posted proves that is indeed what he said.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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34. If doctored, only the white n***** part...Kantor doesn't deny the sh*t part heard on the original.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:32 AM
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43. Obama is a slimy sucker
Look at the original un doctored clip, it's impossible to tell what he said except some one was "shit" (which he immediately apologized for) and beyond that nothing. To go from this to calling people white n*** is total crap and Obama should be ashamed.

Do people think Kantor is a moron, he was being filmed and not secretly

bill from ct
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:41 PM
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47. Why are you blaming Obama for this? Have Proof?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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3. He had 16 years to set the record straight
Would you want to be on record for saying something like that, if it wasn't true?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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4. He's tired, he uses a million words a day, he's bound to misspeak
yadada yadada

Apparently he is one of the Clinon advisors who doesn't understand the nature of video recordings OR the internet
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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5. He's a lying sack. But let them spin it so it gets the MEDIA PLAY it deserves!
Karma.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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7. I am SO glad that Kantor is indignant and insists he did not say these things
Were he to be apologetic and conciliatory this story would probably die allot quicker.. *Plus* once audio enhancement software is used.. if it turns out he did (surprise!) actually say those words, the fact that he lied about saying them will keep this in the news cycle at least through the weekend.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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8. Somebody ask Stephonopoulos.
And Carville
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:09 AM
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12. As in, "Why were you shaking your head in disapproval, George?"
at the very moment Kantor is saying those words.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:10 AM
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15. why just talking about polls, when going over the voting returns.
he's lying
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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10. There is too much excitement over this..what if it is a fake...
As an Obama supporter, even thought the accuracy of this video would not surprise me--because I really believe the Clinton people are arrogant, shallow and nasty... What if this is proven to be a fraud? Everyone better settle down... If this is not authentic.. a lot of people will have egg on their faces..
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:14 AM
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25. That would be the Rovian way
Put out something seemingly incriminating and have your opponents roll with it, just to catch them with their pants down once it is revealed to be fake. Remember Rathergate for instance.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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38. The Obama Campaign
Will never comment on this other than we are sick of the Gotcha Games. It may embarass some people on DU but that will be the extent of it.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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39. Oh, right. It's an evil HRC deed, whichever way it pans out.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:37 PM
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45. No it doesn't have to be at all
Quoting from the Kos post:

The fact is, it doesn't matter what the source of it was right now. What matters is how people handle it. Whether it's Mark Penn's hand on the fishing pole or Karl Rove or some kid in his basement or the line is just tangled around a branch, biting into this story is most likely a huge mistake. That's the point I'm making.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:35 PM
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44. Heh, I just saw this was written over at Kos 13 minutes before I made my post
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:09 AM
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11. Its out there
Doesn't really matter if its true or not.

Now you'll see Obama's class when asked to comment and he says "I'm tired of these gotcha games"

Comparison to Clinton's class (total lack) with the Wright issue
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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31. Wow... Just F'n WOW
Doesn't really matter if its true or not.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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35. Honesty
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM by Jake3463
I didn't say I necessarily agree with the way the media does things. However that's the way it is.

Big Headline You did something bad
Small retraction page A-47

Once something is out there...its out there.

Obama will do the right thing and call it a non-issue because he's intelligent and has class.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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40. Do you agree with how some here today ran with this?
Especially since it is a fabrication...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:25 AM
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42. Part of it may be a fabrication
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM by Jake3463
The White N word part was made up but the Shit comment is real IMO.

On DU. After all the Obama smear I've seen in the past 3 months from the other side...I'm hardly going start calling fouls now...3 months ago I would now...nope.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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37. Yes I'm sure the Obama campaign had nothing to do with the release of this vid to pro-Obama bloggers
:eyes:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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16. Why is he whispering and why the 'excuse me'?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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18. I'd welcome legal steps to explore.
While at it lets look into the deception practiced toward Obama.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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20. notice the non-denial of "THESE PEOPLE ARE SHIT"
:rofl:
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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22. He did NOT say the "worthless white" part. He did insult the people of Indiana. n/t
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:14 AM
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23. Kantor should go on a press tour to explain what he really meant
:kick:
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nyccitizen Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:14 AM
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24. He definitely said "Those people are shit", though. nt
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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27. That is so absurd it's almost funny.
I was talking about the polling, not the people!!!!!

Oh really Mickey? You felt a sudden compelling need to drop to a barely audible whisper to ask Stephanopolus "how he would like to be..." something about the polling? Had something to say about the polling you were really worried some passerby (or that camera) might overhear?

Too bad you underestimated the quality of the mic, you lying bastard.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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29. ....
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM by Highway61
Dupe...self delete
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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30. Hellloooo????
He was caught on tape !! Years ago I saw a comedian who was talking about cheating. "Even if your wife comes home and catches you in bed with another....deny it!" Sounds familiar.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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32. Its amazing that people are taking these videos
from a successful campaign and trying to use them to create another racism controversy. Anyone cheering this crap, I don't know you.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:23 AM
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41. DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES AND EARS!!!
I didn't say that word you watched and heard me say!!!!
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:46 PM
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48. Got to disagree. It is not what people hope it is.
When you look at the video and understand the context and elation Kantor is feeling

I think it is painfully obvious he did not say what people are saying he said. Oh it does sound like he says those people are shit but he is just cutting off his comment because of the camera and mike. He is discussing the republican take on a great day for democrats.

When he says "those people" he is talking about the Bush white house. The unintelligible part must be an inside joke about the repukes.

What people are saying just does not make sense in the context of the situation.




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