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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:14 AM
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if the clip is doctored, then post an undoctored version of the clip
This movie should be out there and someone like the Politico should have no problems getting the "real" version of the scene on youtube pretty quickly.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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1. Kantor has a copy
Why do you think he already has an attorney and an audio expert
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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3. Because he is hoping to hide the TRUTH until after Tuesday?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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5. too late, its out there now
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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4. right the only real copy I bet. lol.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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18. HAHAHAHAHA
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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9. Because he's trying to intimidate people and muddy public discourse with doubt? n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM by LoZoccolo
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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11. Then he should offer it up
There is no doubt he said something more mischievious than "they are shit" because his mouth gives and evil little smirk as he commented. If he didn't say the more offensive slur, he still said something to make him give that facial expression.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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16. Kantor's Copy Is Probably An Edited Version Taking Out The Offensive Remarks......
it works both ways you know. What would KKKarl Rove do in such a situation. HRC's campaign is following his tip book.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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2. Exactly! BUMP FOR THE TRUTH!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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6. look at Steph.'s body language. He's shaking his head & pulling away from the camera
you KNOW he's rolling his eyes behind his hands. Hiding his face from the camera.

Then look at Kantor. The jackass is PLAYING to the camera.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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7. The previous version shows him saying a whisper which is non-intelligible..
Again, whether its doctored or not is irrelevant to whether the MSM picks up the video and plays it ad-infinitum. This just adds another debate point for the pundits to discuss.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:16 AM
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8. He called the states people SHIT that is just as bad.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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10. Here's one that was posted by Ben smith
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM by 4themind
but if there are some other sources, please post them as well
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U>

I can't hear the white n***ers part, but I can make out "These people are sh*t" or "These people are "sh*tty", I'm guessing the next line of denfense/point of contention will be what he meant by "Those People". But hopefully the MSM will get some people onto this
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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17. THAT ONE SAYS THE EXACT SAME THING LMAO
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM by meow mix
it does seem edited a bit different but its the same words. its about halfway thru
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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20. no denying he said "those people are shit"
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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12. I have a copy of the DVD...it's in most libraries that have DVDs...
Mickey and Jiminy and George can't hide this shit. It's on tape...

BUSTED!
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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13. ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

Go to 4:45. It looks like the part about "white n*****" has been faked or at least enhanced so you can hear it more clearly. You definitely can't make him out saying that in the original.

The part about Indianans being "shit" is clearly not doctored though.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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14. He could at least tell us what he REALLY said, right? n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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15. Also, all the lip-reading experts: What is he actually saying? Now, I've only
got a linguistics degree with a minor in speech-hearing-language science, so I'm not an expert on speech production or anything. But it doesn't look incompatible with "nigger" to me. What is he actually saying?
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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19. The entire movie is already on YouTube. It's posted in several parts.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM by BattyDem
Part 9 has the Kantor comment at about 4:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

The movie was posted on February 16th. The subtitled clip was posted today. The comment can be heard on both versions.

Why would the person who posted the movie dub one line of it and bury it in a collection of videos?


edited: typo :blush:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM
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21. Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake! (Thanks, Elaine).
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith /

Pennebaker: Clip Doctoered

I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."


The sound you hear is the toilet flushing your wet dream away......LMAO!


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