Obama fans show their true color: Circulating a False and Doctored Video to hit Hillary!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith /

Pennebaker: Clip Doctoered


I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."

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There was no doctoring other than to add the text.

Sorry, Kantor has shown the true Clinton colors.

that's your business.

Try again.

I sure hope Kantor sues the shit out of whoever did it.

I am so sick and tired of people calling the Clintons and anyone who supports them racists. They're doctoring tapes to make people look bad, fer crissakes.

Obama and his entire campaign deserve to take lumps over this.

BUt lots of people like you won't believe the truth ---

They say they doctored it to say "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

Looking at his lips, it is the same in both clips "all the way to his body language. There is no way this was doctored other than to clip the length of the video to a smaller viewing length.

They could have experts look look at it. We could put it on Faux like the "alien autopsy" and dissect this video!
:popcorn:

Look, McCain associates with bush!!!!11!!!

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I'm not into this kind of shit, so don't worry, I'll be fair. My post mainly concerned the insult by the brand newbie, right off the bat he's taking shots at Obama supporters and they want us to believe them. right.

funny how he forgets to mention that.

This is going to be good! First up, the one who doctored it and I think they already know who did it. Second, Ed Shultz.....etal

Only stupid people send emails to the MSM about a doctored YouTube video without checking the original source

that's been going on against the Clintons from day one. The entire media should be sued.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

No, seriously, that's not what he says.

think about the wiki entry, where this became an issue in 1992 also? Sounds like he said it to me. But you go on with your indignation; it's fun to watch!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Kantor

In the 1993 documentary film "The War Room" directed by Chris Hegedus, Kantor was filmed speaking with James Carville and George Stephanopolous about the polling results from Indiana during Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign of which he allegedly commented "Those people are shit...how would you like to be a worthless white nigger?"[citation needed

...and this retired atty is asking you just HOW is that libel on Kantor? And once you get past that issue ~~ discuss the problem with the Statute of Limitations, OK?

:eyes:

And LOL at Wikipedia...

You know that anyone can edit or add to articles, right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5781263

I have egg on my face as well after posting a thread saying that Clinton's campaign died today, but it's very clearly doctored.

Mickey Kantor has threatened a lawsuit and the director of the movie himself has come out and said that it's been doctored.

The only part of the movie that was legitimate was the use of the word "shit", but Kantor says that he was referring to the pollsters.

People are frenzied right now, but this is sadly not worth anything.

Link to real part of the scene here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

Go to 4:45 and see for yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5781263

No disputing it.

the koolaid for a few seconds.

someone is drinking koolaid... but its not the O-team.

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/states/indiana.html

What koolaid?

"it doesn't matter if we're winning. Those people are shitting... excuse me. (inaudible) White house, can you imagine (inaudible)"

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YOU NEED TO LEARN TO DEBATE WITHOUT PERSONAL ATTACKS.

:grr:

those who doctored it, those who sent mails to the MSM, and so on

Its really disturbing.

You can't be sued for sending something to the media unless you can prove that they new it was doctored. Good luck with that threshhold in court.

BTW the media is notorius for letting lawyers know who sent them something :rofl: they go to jail willingly over that.

Just fucking WOW

It must sink her campaign the way you guys are spinning so furiously. I haven't heard it yet, fyi, but I will most certainly soon. And if I find it compelling, I will forward it to 1000 people, you can bet on it.

You obviously know nothing.

The standard for Libel for a public figure is so high that it rarely is ever used. Mickey Kantor as an ex cabinet member reaches the public figure threshold.

Also media people go to jail over their sources :rofl:

...NYT v. Sullivan, but I think one would have a problem with the big words.

Law suit brought by a public figure for posting something he in fact said...LMFAO! :rofl:

Is also a laugh. Unless You Tube made the video themselves :rofl:

New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964).

you might have meant to respond to someone else. I ain't suing anyone and haven't even heard the video yet. Just commenting on this freaky atmosphere of threats and spinnig.

Ignore above post.

...you really are not this stupid, are you?

I don't know where you got your law degree, but from where I got mine, I say you are full of shit.

in addition, anyone that passes off libelous information, knowingly or not, can be implicated. Read the law again. It is very broadly written.


kthnxbye

...don't consider a career as a lawyer, OK?

:rofl:

in passing on libelous information. If I remember correctly, it doesn't have to be with knowledge that the information is false - just disseminating the information is enough. The experts will determine the truth/falsity of the video clip but it is unlikely that someone in a highly visible position in a campaign/politics would ever make such a statement. Sometimes in evaluating information one can look at the probabilities of it being true or not. IMHO, if it is less probable than not (50%) level, the better part of caution is to wait for confirmation before proceeding.

"with malice aforethought"
this demands that ANY party know that it is in fact untrue and then distribute it anyway
so good luck with your suits

pathetic is as pathetic does

get a better shot than you would give us that's for sure. But in the meantime, please don't be insulted if your word doesn't mean jack shit.

on the other hand....

Give me a break

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it came from somewhere besides an Obama supporter.

This is classic Rovian manipulation.

But, we will see.

they will do anything for hillary to drop out.:rofl: :rofl:

Keep dreaming.:thumbsdown:

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talking libel and you can find the UNDOCTORED version all over YouTube.

This was faked, plain and simple. I hope YouTube investigates.

I wish I wasn't severely hearing-impaired, so I could listen to it myself.

Team Obama had better be praying that this is real, insidious, and supportable. Otherwise, their entire narrative that Hillary is the incarnation of evil will be gone overnight, and the feces will really hit the fan.

The kicker is that it bears no relation to Hillary's campaign. It's 16 years old. Right there, people will be asking questions about how it was missed by thousands of moviegoers for all that time.

--p!

See for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

Go to around the 5-minute mark.

As for me, the undisputed calling Hoosiers "shit" is enough.

This is one pissed off Midwesterner! :mad:

I hope Skinner and the Mods can get the libelous crap threads off of here as quickly as possible.

Sorry you disagree.

I'm actually more certain of the "worthless white n*gger" than I am the "those people are shit". It certainly could be "those people are shittING".

does it say?

That I think this is harmful to ALL Democrats, not just the Clinton campaign. I don't know where this came from, but I don't like the look and smell of it.

I have listened to the video numerous times, and I don't know if I have particularly good hearing, but it's certainly audible to me. The only question left is whether the longer clip is also doctored. Not having the DVD, I can't speak to that.

So here's what I hear.

The "it doesn't matter if they vote for us": I can't make that out with certainty.

The "those people are shit": I hear as "those people are shitting".

The "how would you like to be a worthless white n*gger": Unfortunately, that one is very clear. He said it. Who he was referring to; all Hoosiers or just Republicans in Indiana, I can't say.

Hillary is going to have to cut him loose.

film's director get financial compensation from all parties, YouTube, Drudge, MSNBC, Schultz and HuffPo for starters.

Because I hear it clearly. Sorry. I wish I didn't, but I do.

I can't say, however, whether or not even the longer clip on youtube has been doctored. I don't have the DVD to compare them.

bless blessed
hilliary has a semantics problem

The suffering that that the IWR caused is obscene, and those who voted for that resolution should ashamed of themselves.

How can ANY party run on a platform that says it wants to get us out of Iraq, yet nominate someone who got us into Iraq, without Congressional oversight of the president. That is what the IWR did, because the War Powers Act was over-ruled by the IWR

Unforgivable

Tell that to the dead and wounded Iraqiis, and American soldiers who are paying the price of that disaster

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You have a real problem don't you?

You want to censor people that don't agree with you

when it comes to stuff like this anyway.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-James-Carville/dp/B0002JUXDS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1209745108&sr=8-1
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_War_Room/1104072?lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strkid=1105740264_0_0
http://www.blockbuster.com/catalog/movieDetails/83180
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/21800862/the+war+room?tab=summary (informational purposes only, do NOT use this link, eom)

and, tho I don't support Hillary, in the original tape it does appear to as if Kantor is saying "those people must be shitting." he is referring to the Indiana Republicans, not all of the people of Indiana. It's the same thing as when Wright's sermon that talked about the number of incarcerated people, people filled with hate who then say god bless america were hypocrites because god wouldnt' bless that. god would damn that.

karma is a bitch.

As far as "showing true colors..." Hillary's campaign has NO GROUND to talk about skanky campaign tactics. She has attacked Obama so often with lies and attempts to mislead it is pathetic.

You have NO IDEA who posted this on you tube, however, so you are participating in the same smear to try to blame this on the Obama campaign.

For all you know, this was a fake plant that could easily be discredited and that could make Obama look like the same sort of pond scum campaigner that we've seen in Hillary. You, too, shouldn't be so quick to fall for campaign dirty tricks.

At this point, Hillary has lost and she should GO HOME and work to elect the next democratic president of the U.S.

Clinton IS the queen of dirty tricks, however. I'm sick of the Bush/Clinton dirty trick dynasties.

my total skepticism about the origin of this tape is based upon evidence of these same dirty tricks over the last few months. I think this came from her camp because she's totally desperate.

This ain't our first hayride fool.

:thumbsup:

it's what they do.

I've never seen a group with less concern for the truth than so-called netroots Obama fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U


4:53

I'd be happy to translate it.

I mislj che Hillary trabva da otkazva pich...

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The Hillary Clinton campaign is BUSTED!!!

:rofl:

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And farts rainbows. At least that's what we're supposed to believe.

of your hypocrite tears.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

The original clip from The War Room's been posted.

The Youtube video with the captioning does turn the volume up so Kantor's n-word is more easily audible, but when I listened to the original from the War Room and listened with the volume up and with good headphones, I heard that n-word.

It's real, folks.

Sorry your latest little scam didn't work, Obots! What will you try now to hold off the inevitable Hillary nomination, pray tell? Your ship is sinking fast. Whomever is responsible for this doctored video and smear job should be dragged into the open, NOW.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html

The cropped video, which spread through the Internet like wildfire on Friday morning, shows Kantor with fellow former Bill Clinton staffers James Carville and George Stephanopoulos discussing results from the general election. In the footage, Kantor approaches the two aides and says, "Look at Indiana -- wait, wait, look at Indiana. 42-40. It doesn't matter if we win, those people are shit." That much seems true, though Pennebaker says Kantor was referring to the George H.W. Bush White House. The rest can be viewed below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html

Do tell.

It make it even more clear that Kantor said "Those people must be shitting....in the White Hosue" and the audio for the rest is completely inaudible.

I think that the filmmaker's assertion that Kantor said, "How would you like to be in the White House right now?" is far more plausible that Kantor's suddenly asking "How would you like to be a White Nigger right now?"

I think somebody get the audio track a little assistance.

Here's the video I'm watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

For me the "shitting in the White House" is much less audible than the "worthless white n*gger" comment.

But was this video also doctored? That is the question I now find myself asking.

blindly following the rest of the herd off the cliff.

What a ridiculous display this morning.

I've posted in a couple of threads in the past hour and I'm sure to be accused of being a Hillbot, even though I voted for Obama and would prefer him to Hillary.

But this crap has gone WAY too far.

this lumping all supporters you don't agree into one category is utter bullshit!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5780588&mesg_id=5780588

Not the doctored version...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

And the fact that he deliberatlely lowered his voice and leaned in suggests he might have been saying something he didn't want the cameras to capture.

The question is, who was he referring to?

The people of Indiana? Maybe unlikely.

People who have mocked Bill Clinton and his strength with African Americans? Most likely.

However, it's kind of hard to explain why you said "n*gger", so he'll have to go.

chickenshithawk.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/official-transc.html

Forgoing for a moment the dirty trick of the doctored clip from “The War Room,” which falsely had Mickey Kantor using a racial slur, the filmmaker behind the documentary has posted the clip on his Web site to clarify that other point of confusion -- what Kantor was referring to when he cursed. (An apparent source of confusion since the movie came out and some newspaper writers thought he was cursing Indianans. See previous post for that.)

Filmmakers Chris Hegedus and D A Pennebaker write: "We would like to respond to some erroneous statements made today about our film, THE WAR ROOM. These statements alleged certain remarks to Mickey Kantor that simply are not true. The transcript of the scene in question confirms this."

The official transcript:

GEORGE AND CARVILLE: Indiana, we're ahead.

JACQUELINE: Indiana!

GEORGE: Kentucky.

CARVILLE: Kentucky is five. Michigan is eleven, New York's done.

GEORGE: Holy s---, we're pulling away in Ohio.

CARVILLE: Oklahoma we're up.

GEORGE: Tied in Texas.

CARVILLE: Tied in Texas. It looks good. Now let's just say that. I like the text here.

GEORGE: Can you beep Wendy please? Looks pretty good. Looks pretty good.

MICKEY KANTOR: Look at Indiana. Wait, wait. Look at Indiana. Forty-two, forty. It doesn't matter if we win. Those people are s----ing (oh, excuse me) in the White House. How would you like to be... Look at Texas, go down to Texas.

CARVILLE: Even.

MICKEY: Yeah. Thirty-nine, thirty-nine.

CARVILLE: Perot's kind of holding, isn't he?

GEORGE: He held.

MICKEY: Yeah, he held. His numbers held. I'm sort of surprised, frankly.

***

So Kantor was NOT insulting Hoosiers, he was experiencing a moment of schadenfreude about the Bush (Sr.) White House.

Check it out HERE.

Now back to that other question -- who did the fake clip with Kantor saying the N word?!

It's the definition of a dirty trick -- and from what I can tell all the YouTube links have disappeared. Fingerprints gone