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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:59 AM
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I can't tell if it's real or not.
I've listened to it several times, albeit on a PC speaker. I guess I'll wait until the MSM has dissected it.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:01 PM
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1. They already have and debunked it
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:02 PM
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2. link? n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:04 PM
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5. Here -- at the 4:40 mark
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:02 PM
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3. Hmm. The MSM would never get anything wrong, would they?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:04 PM
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6. You apparently didn't listen for yourself
I did and it is clear as it can be.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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4. grab your headphones...on the original...it is UNMISTAKABLE
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:05 PM
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7. when you say "original"- the YouTube one? Or do you have the dvd?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:07 PM
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8. I'll Tell You Something Else
Let's say, just for one minute, that Kantor actually did say, "how would you like to be a worthless white nigger?"

What do you think he could have meant by that, seeing as though the comment was made in a scene where they found out an exit poll had Bill surprisingly leading in Indiana? Why would he have said something like that, in that situation?

http://books.google.com/books?id=BfKD8uMIB0sC&pg=RA5-PA259&lpg=RA5-PA259&dq=virginia+clinton+white+trash&source=web&ots=CHLZL9E1Nw&sig=LBwx5KPBXddfDchqEMTij_7lYjQ&hl=en

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E7D7163FF93AA25753C1A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:09 PM
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10. I don't know
All I know is it was a dumb thing to say if he did say it regardless of the context unless he was quoting someone.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:19 PM
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17. I Have Only a Suspicion. Or a Wish
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:09 PM
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9. I think it's a fabricated charge.
I listened to the video a lot as well and I believe the first statement was "Those people are shittin'... excuse me... in the white house." not "Those people are shit."

as for the second phrase in dispute, I can't really tell either for sure, but think it most likely is something along the lines of, "How would you like to be in the white house right now?" or something. I think the subtitles used in the YouTube video is an example of the power of suggestion. Putting the subtitles over it and you can be fooled to think that is what is being said.

You know, just like those videos of cats going "Memeow..." and the owner goes "See, Ruffles clearly said "Mama!"


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:10 PM
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11. exactly
without those subtitles, or being told what it supposedly said, NOBODY would think he said "worthless white nigger" or "shit" instead of "shitting".

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:13 PM
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15. I can't make out the "wortheless white n------r" remark in the original, but the..........
"those people are shit" remark is pretty clear.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 PM
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20. May be nothing more than the power of suggestion, coupled with preconceived notions.
The postulated quotes sound like the language I imagine gets used by politicians behind closed doors (usually without cameras rolling), and with that interpretation in mind, I imagined Steph and Carville playing along like good ol' boys, and was repulsed.

I think I can honestly say I bore no malice against Clinton supporters or Clinton herself. I thought I was seeing evidence of the entrenched racism among the elite. Now, I'm not sure what's on the original or whether the "enhanced" version is substantially different.

But if The Thing We Thought We Heard actually was what was said, I still don't understand exactly what it was supposed to mean.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:13 PM
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13. Agreed...
I listened to it with my headphones...twice. Played it over the speakers, too. I honestly can't tell what he's saying in the second phrase. It's inaudible, IMO.

Plus, the director also said that Kantor didn't say it.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:11 PM
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12. I couldn't hear anything on the original.
People who are claiming the enhanced version is the same as the original version have the burden of proof.

They've failed.

Without any further evidence, it's a fake in my book.

Move on, folks.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:20 PM
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18. Here is the entire video!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:13 PM
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14. The original has the exact same audio. Listen with headphones and watch his lips.
He clearly says ...those people are shit. I can't really make out the last part. He might of said ...and those people are shit. He then says excuse like he got caught.

This is seriously fucked up.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:15 PM
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16. real or not? at least it's illuminating the impact of doctored videos
it's sad really-

because regardless of the ScaryBlackMan, and the ClosetReverseRacist, gas is still $4

hopefully hrc will get the point, and fight her REAL political enemies
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:33 PM
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19. This dvd was add in febuary!
I am starting to bellieve that this dvd is real.
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