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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:13 PM
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BLUMENTHAL is the Real Story; the Kantor Video is a Rovian Dirty Trick
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:57 PM by Stephanie


What is the SOURCE of that video?

Between Blumenthal and the Robocall Scandal, a new distraction was needed.

Rove's favorite dirty trick is to plant a fake bombshell and then use it to discredit his opponent. You might remember his first dirty trick, in college (before he dropped out), when he planted a bug in his own campaign office and then accused his opponents of doing it. Or remember what happened to poor Jim Hatfield, who wrote the unauthorized biography of George Bush in 2000 but was destroyed when he fell for false evidence of Bush cocaine use planted by Rove. Not that the cocaine STORY was necessarily false, but the evidence Hatfield was given was discredited and so the book itself was destroyed, and Hatfield along with it. And of course, remember what happened to Dan Rather, when dubious documents undid the otherwise solid AWOL story and ended Rather's career.

Who PLANTED the Kantor video? It is a red herring meant to distract us from THIS revelation of sordid Clintonian bottom feeding. Her campaign continues to reach new depths.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html

Former journalist Sidney Blumenthal has been widely credited with coining the term "vast right-wing conspiracy" used by Hillary Clinton in 1998 to describe the alliance of conservative media, think tanks, and political operatives that sought to destroy the Clinton White House where he worked as a high-level aide. A decade later, and now acting as a senior campaign advisor to Senator Clinton, Blumenthal is exploiting that same right-wing network to attack and discredit Barack Obama. And he's not hesitating to use the same sort of guilt-by-association tactics that have been the hallmark of the political right dating back to the McCarthy era.

Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers -- including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers -- in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists. One of the recipients of the Blumenthal email blast, himself a Clinton supporter, forwards the material to me and perhaps to others.

These attacks sent out by Blumenthal, long known for his fierce and combative loyalty to the Clintons, draw on a wide variety of sources to spread his Obama-bashing. Some of the pieces are culled from the mainstream media and include some reasoned swipes at Obama's policy and political positions.

But, rather remarkably for such a self-professed liberal operative like Blumenthal, a staggering number of the anti-Obama attacks he circulates derive from highly-ideological and militant right-wing sources such as the misnamed Accuracy in Media (AIM), The Weekly Standard, City Journal, The American Conservative, and The National Review.

To cite just one recent example, Blumenthal circulated an article taken from the fervently hard-right AIM website on February 18 entitled, "Obama's Communist Mentor" by Cliff Kincaid. Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist, a longtime critic of the United Nations, whose group, America's Survival, has been funded by foundations controlled by conservative financier Richard Mellon Scaife, the same millionaire who helped fund attacks on the Clintons during their White House years. Scaife also funds AIM, the right-wing media "watchdog" group.

The Kincaid article that Blumenthal circulated sought to discredit Obama by linking him to an African-American poet and writer whom Obama knew while he was in high school in Hawaii. That writer, Frank Marshall Davis, was, Kincaid wrote, a member of the Communist Party. Supported by no tangible evidence, Kincaid claimed that Obama considered his relationship to Davis to be "almost like a son." In his memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama wrote about meeting, during his teenage years, a writer named "Frank" who "had some modest notoriety once" and with whom he occasionally discussed poetry and politics. From this snippet, Kincaid weaves an incredulous tale that turns Davis into Obama's "mentor."

Kincaid's piece had been previously circulating within the right-wing blogosphere, but Blumenthal sought to inject the story into more respectable opinion circles by amplifying it in his email blast.

---more at link---






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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:15 PM
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1. The Clinton campaign has admited the "shit " comment is correct
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:16 PM
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2. The exact quote is "they must be shitting in the white house"
Was in reference to the poll numbers I think
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:17 PM
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3. ahh no, it's not- Sorry I am not going to believe you instead of my ears
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:20 PM by nomad1776
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:25 PM
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6. Here is what I hear.
"it doesn't matter if we're winning. Those people are shitting... excuse me. (inaudible) White house, can you imagine (inaudible)"
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:26 PM
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7. LOL! That's nice, but I prefer to stick with what I hear
you remind me of the old Groucho Marx joke- Who are you going to believe, me or your eyes?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:31 PM
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8. If you play it backwards, I'm sure the director is trying to recruit viewers into the KKK.
I'll believe my own "lying ears" thankyouverymuch.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:44 PM
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20. Sorry, but the reason you hear it because you heard the doctored version first.
In context, the slurs make no sense.

The only real damaging slant to that scene is Kantor/Clinton camp saying who matters and doesn't matter.

Who they are willing to write off.

And we KNOW their strategy is to write off many states and ignore them rather than play nationally.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:56 PM
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24. I heard the non-doctored one and it's crystal clear
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:06 AM
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43. Respectfully, That's Incorrect
Bill Clinton was competitive everywhere in 92 and 96...He won 38 states and near 400 delegates each election...In fairness Perot put a lot of states in play which never would have been in play without him...

But the eighteen state strategy is a relatively new phenomenon that was begun by Gore and continued by Kerry...
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:17 PM
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4. A Rovian dirty trick?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:26 PM by lumberjack_jeff
I bet y'all feel like tools.

It surpasses the ability of the english language to articulate foolishness, to believe that the Clinton campaign produced this doctored clip.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:23 PM
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5. I don't know who produced it.
I'd like to find out. It's certainly done it's job.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 PM
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10. Why?
In the footage, Kantor approaches the two aides and says, "Look at Indiana -- wait, wait, look at Indiana. 42-40. It doesn't matter if we win, those people are shit." That much seems true, though Pennebaker says Kantor was referring to the George H.W. Bush White House.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html">link


Update 2: So we've got conflicting accounts on whether the more incendiary of the statements was doctored. The director of the War Room says the (n-word) is doctored, and gives the reason for the "shit" comment.

"He does not say that . He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

Now, take a look at the explanation Kantor gave for the "shit" expletive.

"Indiana was not even on our radar screen," he said, "And I was talking about the polling and not the people... If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous."

Those two statements don't seem to match up.

Update 3: Fast and furious, Ben Smith at politico has updated his piece, saying he spoke to the editor of the YouTube video. NO ALTERATION, according to the editor.

UPDATE: I spoke to the editor of the video who said that he enhanced, but didn't alter, the audio in the second portion of the video.

Update 4: The first clip is "no longer available."

link


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:37 PM
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13. he's talking about the GOP cause the numbers don't look good. He IS saying that Indiana doesn'ta
matter, if I understand the context correctly.

And I listened to the original movie version posted several times.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:39 PM
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15. Good. That clears it up then. The people of Indiana will rejoice. n/t
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:42 PM
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18. Because it harms the Clinton campaign - despite being false.
The clip is 16 years old. It is unsurprising that what is being said is hazy on recollection.

What is clear is that the context strongly suggests that (in the audible portions) Cantor was talking about the White House reaction to the new polls.
"it doesn't matter if we're winning. Those people are shitting... excuse me. (inaudible) White house, can you imagine (inaudible)"
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:31 PM
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9. If this video is a fake... I need better glasses. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:35 PM
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11. You know, it doesn't even really matter if it's a fake.
Just like the Rather AWOL documents. They never actually proved they were fake. But they WERE able to use them to discredit Rather by loudly CLAIMING they were fake.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 PM
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12. More likely they're just lying.
That's how they got Rather. I heard the (fired) documentary producer interviewed on Pacifica and she was astounded that to this day very few people realize that the "fake" medical documents weren't -- they were just claimed to be.

Don't know about Hatfield but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case there too. It certainly seems to be here.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:54 PM
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23. It doesn't really matter if it's false or true
Just as it didn't matter in the Rather case.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:02 PM
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30. I think it does. Some want to let him off the hook
because the bushbots are blowing a little smoke in our eyes. It's an old trick and it usually works, but I'm not so easily distracted.

As for Blumenthal, there's no law saying there can't be two damaging stories getting attention at the same time.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:37 PM
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14. I agree, its a diversion from the more damaging Blumenthal & robo call issues
Oldest GOP ploy in the book.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:40 PM
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16. Exactly, but it's all a nasty pattern that's coming back to bite Hillary's campaign in the butt. n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:57 PM
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26. yep
those other stories must be getting a little too hot....
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:10 PM
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36. well they certainly got swept aside fast enough
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:42 PM
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17. I agree, it's funny Kantor had to deny. However, Blumenthal HAD a lot of credibility
who was he sending the filth out to? Who used what he sent?

Why did it go on so long?
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:43 PM
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19. Agreed. Blumenthal is the real story.
And it's an important one because it shows just how much the Clinton campaign has adopted the tactics Democrats used to abhor.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:53 PM
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21. I thought Blumenthal was a good guy.
this is disappointing - but in light of the scorch & burn, kitchen sink tactics being used by The Clinton's ..... makes sense.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:54 PM
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22. That is what I was thinking too
The distractions start when one gets in trouble and can't get it cleaned/covered up fast enough. RW tactics right out of Karl Rove's playbook. I want to know where this came from in the first place. Obama's campaign hasn't done this sort of thing before-they are smart enough to know that it would come back to bite them if it wasn't true. It's so stupid anyway, just like the Wright distraction. Who the F*** cares what somebody said in the early 1990's? What does that have to do with gas prices, food prices, home foreclosures, the unnecessary and immoral Iraq war that Hillary voted for? Why are we even talking about this BS today, right before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries? Aaaagggghhhh!!! :banghead:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:57 PM
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25. I guess that explains the insanely quick response from the Director.
The whole thing was planned by camp Clinton. Id love to have proof of that.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:58 PM
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27. I don't know who planned it.
As we know the Republicans are delighted to meddle in our race as well.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:03 PM
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33. I noticed when it was on YouTube...
it was the ONLY thing that person has posted. Ever. Slightly suspicious dont you think?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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35. Did you get a name? Does anyone know who first posted it?
I would look to Operation Chaos first...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 PM
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34. you'd love to have proof. But you don't
so why make the unequivocal assertion of something that you can't prove?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:12 PM
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38. I didnt make any assertions, as I have no proof. nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:43 PM
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40. Sorry. It looked to me like you did make an assertion:
"The whole thing was planned by camp Clinton."

If that wasn't intended as an assertion, I apologize.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:59 PM
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28. Agreed. I hope Blumenthal gets more traction.
That to me is much more disturbing than Kantor saying something 16 years ago, even if it is real. And the robocall crap and Hillary's "Screw Em" comment are also more disturbing.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:01 PM
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29. link to Screw 'Em?
I missed that...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:02 PM
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31. I agree, even though I believe...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:03 PM by Kristi1696
...that Kantor still needs to be quietly ousted.

He said "n*gger" and that's something where trying to explain why you said it just digs a bigger hole.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:03 PM
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32. Bait and switch
That's right. Blumenthal is the bigger negative campaign story and the Kantor video is wag the dog ploy. Hopefully some expert can look at the video and try to make sure what that video says is accurately reported. It really shouldn't be that hard for someone who has a good copy of the original video.

And this should not replace the real story of how low Sidney Blumenthal has sunk in smearing Barack Obama to his list of right-wing media contacts.

Damn your negative campaign tactics Blumenthal!

Sonia
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:47 PM
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37. Well said. K & R nt
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:14 PM
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39. K&R nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:00 PM
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41. EXACTLY-you can just picture staffers saying if we can just distract them until
5pm Friday-the weekend will fade these stories away!

WE must not let them disappear!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:59 AM
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42. that's right
shoot the messenger why dontcha...

:eyes:

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:08 AM
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44. 1000% agree: BLUMENTHAL is the Real Story; the Kantor Video is a Rovian Dirty Trick
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:35 AM
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45. And the robocalls story.
If the Clintons are connected with that they are sunk.
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