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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:53 PM
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Back up at ABC with newspaper reviews of what Indiana thought back then. Sh*t part is true.
Jake Tapper put the controversy back up on ABC because the original sounds like he is calling Indiana people sh*t and because newspaper reviews from when the War Room came out thought the same thing...and they sure read like Indiana people thought that too. The relevant part of what Tapper says:

"In The Washington Post's review of the film in 1993, critic Desson Howe referred to "a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state)."

And a 1995 story in the Sydney Morning Herald said that "As for the good folk of Indiana, they are still recovering from the 1993 documentary War Room, which revealed the grim truth behind the Clinton election campaign. It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. 'And those people are s---!' he declared breathlessly.""

His entire article:
The Mystery of "The War Room" Clip
May 02, 2008 1:43 PM

Mickey Kantor -- Bill Clinton's Trade Representative, a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and an informal adviser to her campaign -- once had some not-so-nice things to say about the Hoosiers his chosen candidate is working so hard to pursue.

As seen in The War Room, watching election returns come in, Kantor seems to say in hushed tones to James Carville, “Look at Indiana, wait, wait – look at Indiana. 42-40. It doesn’t matter if we win. Those people are s---. Excuse me."

You can watch it HERE; the moment comes about 4:45 into the clip.

I posted the above yesterday but had the post taken down amidst some debate over its authenticity. I'm traveling and the Clinton campaign said that the clip had been doctored.

(Taking it down is pretty S.O.P. -- if I'm traveling and a credible person tells me something on the blog is wrong, and I am not sure what is accurate, I will take down the blog post until I'm in front of a computer and can verify it one way or another.)

Kantor today denied to the Huffington Post that he had called Hoosiers "s---." "I was talking about the polling and not the people," Kantor said.

(He also denied the legitimacy of another clip, which certainly seems doctored, in which he uses a horrible racial slur. I'd seen that clip -- not sent to me by anyone affiliated with the Obama campaign, I hasten to add -- but I had not posted it.)

Ben Smith of Politico today talked to D.A. Pennebaker, director of "The War Room," agreed that the racial slur was not Kantor's, that someone had doctored the video in that other clip.

As for the "Those people are s---" line, Pennebaker told Smith that Kantor had said, "he says they must be s---ing in the White House."

It's all a mess, though I must say when "The War Room" came out other folks interpreted Kantor to be impugning Indiana residents.

In The Washington Post's review of the film in 1993, critic Desson Howe referred to "a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state)."

And a 1995 story in the Sydney Morning Herald said that "As for the good folk of Indiana, they are still recovering from the 1993 documentary War Room, which revealed the grim truth behind the Clinton election campaign. It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. 'And those people are s---!' he declared breathlessly."

Were I not currently eating a chicken sandwich at Liberty East Restaurant in Charlotte, NC, while working on a World News piece about the economy and the candidates, I would go to Blockbuster, rent a copy of The War Room and settle this matter as much as possible.

As it is, all I can do is post this to explain why I took down the original blog entry, and re-post it with all the added context above. Not good enough, but the best I can do from Liberty East Restaurant.

- jpt

The link: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/


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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:58 PM
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1. And to think that ALL those reviewers got it wrong more than FIFTEEN years go
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:58 PM by rocknation
and Kantor didn't complain ONE PEEP about it.

:evilgrin:
rocknation
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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6. Now he has to go back and sue everybody from back then!
Oh his lawyers are going to be awfully busy.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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8. Wasn't complaining about the latest report until "worthless white ni**ers" was added
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:01 PM by BeyondGeography
Two whole days and not a peep from Kantor. :freak:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:03 PM
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12. ALL those reviewers...........
2?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:15 PM
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17. I was posting methaphorically
:headbang:
rocknation
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:59 PM
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2. They misheard him back then. Kantor was talking about the White House reaction.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:59 PM by Hissyspit
Meanwhile... Americans are not hearing about what's wrong with John W. McCain. They still think he's a 'maverick.'

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:59 PM
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3. It doesn't say that at all. And if this was true...
It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. 'And those people are s---!' he declared breathlessly

Why doesn't it even resemble what actually happened in the movie?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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4. Oh please
debunked about 50 times now. Trapper will get the new memo when he comes back from having his sandwich
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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5. Keep Pushing
You're the poster who first brought this piece of bogusness to DU's attention, aren't you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5769802&mesg_id=5769802
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:01 PM
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9. Is it? Someone please verify this.
Kantor, and the director should know this
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:03 PM
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13. To DU
I don't know about Tapper, thought.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:06 PM
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14. I posted it when Jake Tapper at ABC posted it. Not with the white n* part which I never believed.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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7. I don't see, at all, how this helps Michelle Obama's children.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:01 PM
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10. LOL
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:09 PM
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15. it will lead
to their growing up at 1600 pennsylvania avenue
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:18 PM
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18. Sad.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:18 PM by prodn2000
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:25 PM
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24. I hear they sell a lot of crack in that neighborhood.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM by L0oniX
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:34 PM
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26. Nono....click my link
You have the wrong idea.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:13 PM
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22. ROFL!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:15 PM
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23. **
::D
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:02 PM
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11. And Do You Think That ABC Got To Him Because They Were Afraid His Original Blog......
could take down Georgie S?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:13 PM
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16. How many lyrics have been "heard" to "Louie Louie"?
What did Jagger REALLY sing in "Satisfaction"?

If something is difficult enough to make out easily now, with different reports coming out of different headphones, what is so hard to understand about it having been hard to understand correctly when it first came out also? Without another heated election coming up in Indianna no one was going to get quoted clearing up the confusion back then, when different people heard different things also.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:19 PM
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19. Depends...
You been drinking?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:20 PM
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20. excuse me while
I kiss this guy
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:20 PM
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21. OK. Now let it go! This is just another distraction.
Obama needs to be campaigning against McCain, and we need to be supporting that.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM
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25. Oh, if this can tap into old resentments about being called shit, that would be lovely.
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