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I am Jewish and an Obama supporter and I admit I jumped on this, but it did not even occur to me that Kantor might be Jewish. I think you're reading way too much into this.

that the whole "religious" experience when it comes to politics is more a case of "OH JEEEEESUS I HAVE TO WIN", than any real affinity for the religion itself..

This could even be the real issue behind the rev Wright flap..

I can imagine this scenario:

Young Obama comes to town, knowing no one.. meets cute local woman, and goes to her church with her (as a way to ingratiate himself to her, and to make connections for his job)..

This was 20 some years ago, so Wright was not the Wright of today..

Young people who are dating or newly-married do not ALWAYS go to church every Sunday... so maybe his "membership" in the church was not as ingrained as one might think.... and as a father-less young man, he may have used Wright as a soundingboard and mentor.. A personal relationship would not necessairly have been "all about God"..but a general relationship between a young guy in a town he did not yet know, and a father-figure..

Springfield is NOT Chicago, so once Obama went to the legislature, it's very unlikely that he attended as much as he may have before..

It;s not a stretch to have a pastor perform a marriage or baptisms..

I think the relgiosity of the "moment in politics" required that he "be a man of great faith", so he may well have fudged on his devoutness to his church/minister...and probably thought that saying it would be enough...

Lots of ministers probably say some ridiculous things, but until they get "outed" most people never know..or care..

Once Obama had declared his membership in the church, he could not go back and say..but I really did not attend regularly..

BTW.. does Hillie go to church every sunday?? where?? who;s her regular pastor? got any clips?

Why it does not matter?? she did not make her RELIGIOSITY a major part of who she is..

It;s a game of perceptions... a pol must appear to have FAITH, but also must reveal as LITTLE as possible about the people within the faith, because people are flawed, and something can always be found out about them..

I'm also Jewish and while aware that Kantor is also Jewish, it never occured to me that this was done for anti-semitic reasons.

Who even thought about Jews? That's nuts.

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Why did people focus on Kantor??? Because HE SAID THAT LINE!!!

I had no idea Kantor was a Jewish name and you are not even sure of it.

Whether the man was Jewish or not was the FARTHEST THING from my mind and I assume most people.

You really should delete your thread because you are accusing many DUers of Anti-semitism when there is no evidence of it.

Really disgusting thing to post.

And please, spare me the righteous indignation. Obama people here have been "finding" racism all over the place where none existed. And yet now you're shocked, SHOCKED, I TELL YA! that someone might even suggest antisemitism.

It doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. He may have said the "shit" part (which is still open to interpretation as to who he was talking about), but somebody deliberately picked him to be the mouthpiece for the doctored "white nigger" comment.

Bake

Come on, get real.

I didn't know he was Jewish nor do I care.

misinterpreted then. I have no idea either way but it apparently only made an Australian paper, nothing in the US.

Now why would you assume that? Couldn't your assumption be considered just as anti-semitic?

:eyes:

Well, we've seen the race-card, the gender-card, and now the Jew-card. What's next?

I have no idea wtf you're talking about with all that

"This appears to be quite possibly a very insidious and ugly
anti-semitic event to me, attempting to show Jews as racists "

:eyes:

It seems more like a bad attempt by Rove to attack HRC and her campaign
and to make the BHO campaign/supporters look like the culprits.

Two birds with one stone? That would be the Rovian way.

After days and days of listening to the Wright garbage, some probably were just happy the subject could be changed, and Clinton had a "bad association' of her own everyone could obsess about 24/7 for a while.

Meh, more silly season. The next 'ZOMG HIS/HER CAMPAIGN IS OVER!!11!!" scandal is right around the corner...

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Good grief. Maybe they chose to attribute them to Kantor because he's the one who said them. Not just now, but in '93 and '95 articles about the documentary.

They can say all they want how he finished his sentence with "...ing in the White House." But when he said, "Those people are shit." He didn't sound like he was stopping mid sentence. He said a complete sentence: "Those people are shit.(pause) Excuse me."

No one cares if he's jewish or king of the gnomes. They care A) that he said what he said, and B) that he's a Clinton advisor.

I've stayed out of this mess..because I honestly did not hear(in the original clip, not the doctored version) the 2nd comment that Kantor supposedly said. However, I did hear the first comment and am not sure what or who he was referring..but obviously the comment caused people to question it back in the 90's.

I suspect those who questioned it back then are the ones who brought it up now.

snip:

In The Washington Post's review of the film in 1993, critic Desson Howe referred to "a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state)."

And a 1995 story in the Sydney Morning Herald said that "As for the good folk of Indiana, they are still recovering from the 1993 documentary War Room, which revealed the grim truth behind the Clinton election campaign. It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. 'And those people are s---!' he declared breathlessly."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/

As you mention, you only assume that Kantor is a Jew in the first place.

he's a lawyer

:sarcasm:

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