Furious Black Voters Won't Vote for Hillary in November

Furious Black Voters Won't Vote for Hillary in November

by FishOutofWater
Thu May 01, 2008 at 02:33:35 PM PDT

Mc Clatchy has confirmed my canvassing experiences. Black voters are furious with the Clintons. They won't vote for Hillary in November if she's the Democratic nominee.

If Obama isn't the nominee, "there would be a significant number of African-Americans who would stay home. They're not voting for (presumptive Republican nominee) John McCain," predicted David Bositis, a senior analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which researches black voting trends.


The black voters interviewed by Mc Clatchy reporters sound just like the black voters I have canvassed in central North Carolina in Sanford and Pittsboro.

"It would hurt me not to vote," said Charles Clark, an Indianapolis retiree. He's thinking about leaving the presidential box on his ballot blank this fall if Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' nominee.

"There was a heck of a push made so blacks could vote. I know that," he said. "But it would also be very unfair if they pushed Barack Obama to the side."

Michelle Moore, an Indianapolis housewife, is less gentle: "Hillary Clinton would not even still be in the race if Obama was a white man," she said.

If Hillary Clinton had won 11 straight contests as Obama did, the commercial media and the Democratic Party would have declared the race over. If Hillary Clinton had the commanding delegate lead Obama has now the commercial media would be calling her a sore loser.

Instead, after 3 weeks of non-stop attacks by ABC and Fox news over people Obama associated with in the past, the Commercial media is talking about how Obama is losing ground. I just listened to this nonsense on NPR of all places as I drove home.

The angry black voters are right.

This would be over if Barack Obama was a white man.

Professor Hunter Bascot has been hearing exactly what I have heard.

Hunter Bacot, an associate professor of political science at Elon University in North Carolina, saw another piece of political history haunting black Obama backers.

"There's a sentiment among blacks that they've been taken for granted by the Democratic Party," Bacot said. "If Obama loses, it's as though their candidate's victory was overturned."

If they are denied they will refuse to be taken for granted any longer.

Update: My Obama sign, a block from the Pittsboro courthouse, on US 64 was stolen today.

For my take on the Wright story please see my diary from 2 days ago.

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Hillary can play all the tricks she wants, they won't work.

Just a matter of time before the senior Dems tell her to wrap it up. (I think they've aleady told her to clean up her campaign vs. Obama.) If she does not run out of money first.

...and would bolt in a heartbeat.



Older Dems, for good or bad, are more loyal to the party than to any one candidate.

it's official but that time bomb is not going to be on any more ballots..any time soon.

This is also about redistributing power in the party itself from the Clintons / DLC and those people are NOT going to let go without a death struggle. It just so happens, they are using race to undermine the agent of change.

No matter who Obama and his insurgents were, they'd find something equally repulsive to use to try to stop this.

They'd just attack Edwards using a different tactic.

for sicking McCain on the rest of us.

:eyes:

liberal thinking than McCain will ever be. He'll install a rethug SCOTUS and we'll have even more LONG term problems. I am not thrilled with HRC and haven't been for years, due to a lot of things but she's more liberal than McCain on social policies. My biggest beef with her has been her involvement with the DLC and her IWR vote. But she wouldn't allow a RW SCOTUS, I don't believe and that is crucial to women's right's and a lot of other things and will have repercussions for years if McCain is allowed to have a chance at that. But I'd vote for her, if she's the nominee before I'll ever vote for a rethug. I never have voted for a repuke and I never will and I've never abdicated my civic duty... to vote.

...She has been 100% solid behind the IRaq debacle, up unti she decided to run for president.

She lies about everything.

She does not fulfill her election promises.

She has said she will nuke Iran if they attack Israel, and that certainly is opposed to bringing our troops home.

Don't confuse me as a Hillary supporter or an Obama supporter, for that matter.

But with a Dem in the WH and Dem majority in both houses, we may be able to move the ball.

But that will NEVER happen with another fucking rethug in the White House. Not at all. :grr:

I think the poster that you seem to think you can chastise was making that point. So if you have a way of kicking Hillary's ass out of this campaign, I would suggest you get at it.

This monster in your head doesn't exist.

But you might want to question your need to make a monster out of an ambitious woman.

Her along with the media will have stolen this thing from Obama. With 7 states to go and they hammer on Obama for weeks now 24/7, "are you kidding me"?

As the repukes proved while mugging President Gore after the 2000 Election, it really is all about "Framing the issue."

after 45 states, 30 of which have been won by Obama in which 11 were straight wins and having only 7 states left, then her and MSM will have stolen it from Obama if she were to win this.

Look at it any way you would like, but if Clinton held those wins this would have been over, and MSM would have called it for Clinton. Again say what you wish but it all stinks. And I think you know what MSM is capable of.

That's according to Obama, not me btw, who suddenly wants nothing to do with his long-time mentor and friend.

Now he's smeared himself again, tossing aside that mentor and friend permanently, on national TV with a sneer.

All so he can try to separate himself from the rhetoric he and his wife have been following for decades, and taking their children to grow up with. You can bet that while the mainstream media can protect Obama from Hillary making that an issue, which it deserves to be, they can't stop Republicans from doing so. Look what they just got Obama to do to his friend with just a sideways shot at him from over the fence. That's nothing compared to what Obama's church membership will come to mean should Obama manage to scam the nomination for himself. And he's just made it worse for himself with his self-serving, nasty break from Wright. Mr 'bring people together' couldn't even bring his friend and advisor together to help him get through this. Just more empty Obama words.

These are just three of the big reasons, on one relatively unimportant issue, why more serious Democrats won't let Obama have a Democratic nomination he couldn't win, with empty words and no history of accomplishment at anything.

African-Americans and young people don't show up?

Pennsylvania and Michigan, at the very least, will flip to McCain without AA support.

If that happens, come November, it'll be President-elect McCain.

That's why HRH HRC is unelectable in November. She's burned far too many bridges to stand a chance against McCain.

after all the smear jobs Obama supporters have laid on Clinton? Today's Kantor story is a perfect example of Obama thinking.

I laugh , as typical when I hear you blame Hillary for the Wright story. Just goes to show you how delusional and irrational your thinking is. If AA refuse to vote for Hillary...and McCain wins it will be their blood spilled in Iraq, Afhcan. and Iran...plus a lot of white and brown blood for the next 100+ years...think about that! Go ahead and stay home...if Hillary wins. Don't cry :cry: when he puts in the next 3-4 Conservative SCJ and takes away our freedom. You can stand there and pat each others back.

Also, if this keeps up...don't forget two can play that game. I don't like being threatened any more than you do...So stop the damn threats of fire and brimstone if your favorite doesn't win. Well I am woman...and I want my favorite to win just as badly as you. I don't hear woman threating not to vote for Obama! Grow up!

...after the pig-slop ROve/Bush politics the Clintons and their toadies have pulled?

I KNOW Obama has the best chance of beating McCain.

Hillary CANNOT win.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280

What do you call the Kantor smear job as everyone jumped in to throw Hillary under the Semi? What do you call the smear job on the Clintons accusing them of being racist in order to turn the blacks against the Clintons. The majority of things Obamites have accused Hillary and Bill of are pure made up necessary BS in enable blacks to turn their backs on the Clintons without feeling guilty. Funny how they loved their "first black president"...until they had an opportunity to get one of their own. Now they are just common trash to be thrown out with the garbage!

Well said.

Nobody is ever going to change the fact that Obama played ugly racism against the Clintons while lying through his teeth saying he didn't want that in this campaign, even as he was playing it. If the media wasn't in the tank for Obama against Hillary he would have had his head handed to him over that.

Like pretty much every bit of his 'high-road' pretenses, Obama is the exact opposite of his rhetoric. The 'anti-war' candidate who, after getting elected on it, votes every single time to extend the war.

Obama is the inverse of his words. A phony. A smooth-talking con man. Who plays nasty racist smears.

And right again: Obama, mathematically, cannot with the nomination.

:hug: One doesn't get much of that around here. If Hillary wins...I wonder what will happen to DU? I hope we can all get around our candidate like we did with Kerry...but somehow I doubt it because this has become so racial and the hatred abounds.

Obama supporters have gone far, far past the bounds of civility from the very start. They've been playing the extortion game from the outset as well. Both of those together is why I think Hillary supporters have come to the point where they aren't going to support Obama, in huge numbers. They've seen how ugly these people play. I can't believe any Clinton supporter would even think of voting for him after what he and his supporters have done.

There's a part of me that wants Obama to scam his way to the nomination so he can be sent to a fast and hard political oblivion.

I think that what will happen though is that intelligent Democratic minds will prevail at the convention and Hillary will get the nomination, with Obama in the VP slot. Even though I don't think he's earned even that much with his despicable racist smears throughout the campaign, it's probably the only way that Democrats don't get a McCain Presidency and more importantly, blow this huge opportunity for now and the next ten years.

Obama is young and this will put him at the highest levels for the next sixteen years. Eight years from now I might even be able to stomach voting for the guy, and I was initially supportive of him.

most of whom are for Obama.

The clintons TOLD the African Americans that they people THEY value most (Clintons, that is) are the "working class whites"... African Americans "know" these people all too well..

...and is why, after this, she will be an Untouchable politically.

4 more years of our soldiers dying in Iraq, I hope you will think about that!

Okay, Florida and Michigan defied the party rules and moved their primaries too early. I don't think their delegates should be seated because I believe in orderly change and honorable obedience to agreed-upon laws. (Nobody forced anyone to be a Democrat, but when one joins the party, one tacitly agrees to obey the rules or take the punishment meted out by it.)

By the rules of the party, if nobody can secure a first-ballot nomination, all bets are off.

If she doesn't have as many pledged delegates, but he doesn't have enough to clinch it, then it's back to square one.

Even if the party bosses in FL and MI defied the rules, that doesn't mean that the people in those states didn't vote for her. That doesn't mean that her sizeable majorities there never happened. Then again, since Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI, it's not very fair to him, either. As if all that's not an issue, it's cloudier still by the hypothetical of how Edwards could have done in MI, especially with his trade stances.

By the very reality of the MI and FL insurrections, divining the intent of the electorate is murky by definition.

Rules are rules.

What if she closes the gap somewhat with a strong finish here, leaving neither with a first-ballot win? Is she "stealing" it if she can sway the Super Delegates her way?

Is ANY version of her working the rules to her favor "stealing"?

about since Clinton will not be on a national nov ballot.

are ticked at Clinton, and many OF ALL RACES won't be voting for her, if they think the nomination was taken from Obama in any way whatsoever...even by using negative attacks.

Does Clinton wanna be the nominee? She'll have to win it on her own merits, and not by default because she crucified her same party opponent. Either she wins on her own merit, or it's President McCain. That's the choice, if it's not Obama.

and because the Noise Machine echos it endlessly.

Why don't people ask why the McCain and Clinton campaign supporters are largely white where Obama supporters are a rainbow?

Because white is the default in this distraction, that's why.

:)

someone else who is similar to me except for being a minority. In fact, they have a one-up on me because they are a minority, in some situations.

In America, it is true that these days anyone can make their dreams come true if they get educated and work hard, regardless of race.

I think a person has a harder time these days because of body weight or age, frankly. Not that discrimination doesn't exist. It does. By all races, against all races, in varying degrees. But the opportunities are there for us all, if we work hard.

but racism if alive and well in America.

You feel a minority may have an advantage over you in some situations. I doubt that (except if you are carrying powdered cocaine and I have crack - then the extra time will be afforded to me). Studies have proven a "Buffy" will often be called in for an interview over a "Shaniqua."

And, while it is true hard work and a good education should enable anyone regardless of race to succeed, the playing field is far from even. If all schools were created equal, and a predominately black inner city school was equivalent to a richer, suburban one, then hard work would pay off for everyone. Some just have to work so much harder to achieve the "american dream."

they already have lots of qualified white people. If I and an Af. American apply for the same job, companies (IMO) give the Af. American more consideration because they want to increase diversity (or abide by Aff. Action laws, if applicable). So I'm at a disadvantage. Especially now that I'm middle aged.

I also have a couple of morbidly obese relatives. I watched them face unabashed, outright, hateful discrimination their entires lives. I saw some outrageous discrimination against blacks, too, when I was younger. No doubt about that.

I'm just saying...there is some discrimination out there...it most definitely exists...but most of us face discrimination of one sort or another. But if you are an Af. American, you get an education, you work hard, you really have the whole country as your oyster.

I work at a law firm. They have been unable over the years to get the numbers of Af. Am. lawyers they want/need, for diversity. When a qualified Af. American comes along, the law firms fall over each other courting and wooing that young black lawyer. But I've NEVER seen law firms fall over each other courting and wooing older lawyers or employees, or morbidly obese ones.

But having children who happen to be brown educated me to the reality of racism *very* quickly. I am treated one way when I go into McDonald's with my two blond-haired-pink-faced kids and a totally different way when I go with my children who are black. The difference took my breath away at first... now I'm used to it. I'll *never* get used to my kids being treated differently just because their faces are brown though.

As a white person you can never have a clue of how absolutely pervasive racism is... people do the most incredibly cruel and racist things without even realizing it. You are right in stating that opportunities are there for everyone, but as a white person we start six steps up the ladder of success and don't even realize it. Please don't minimize the effects of racism against African Americans in this country... it just makes the pain of it that much worse.

and for some odd reason I have had a particular empathy with Af. Americans since I was a child. My grandma's maid had several children (illegitimately); they made straight A's...wonderful students. But I remember as an 8 or 10 year old kid being sad when I heard that, because I knew that the good grades didn't mean much for black children - they still wouldn't be able to find a good job. I could see that only whites in my little town had decent jobs.

I am happy to say, though, that those black kids of my grandma's maid, who would be a little older than I am now, would have indeed benefited from their good grades, if they moved to a larger city. The civil rights movement came along, jobs opened up, schools opened up, etc., etc.

The attitude, the unspoken racism that you are speaking of...I actually encounter it myself in reverse. Whenever I used to go through the toll booth daily to and from work, usually the toll person was Af. American, and almost always they were rude, or didn't speak, would give me "that look" and ignore me, but I could see them smile & wave to the Af. American in the car behind me. Racism works both ways.

But it would break my heart for my children to have to encounter that attitude. McDonald's frequently has Af. American employees, though. So...that particular one has only white employees?

and I appreciate the kindness of your response:)

and I never meant to imply that black kids don't have opportunities, or that it isn't possible for them to become successful. Obviously they can, and that's great! But what I never fully realized until I had kids that were black is the extent to which people's impressions of one are based on race. When I go out alone or with my white kids I am treated with a cordiality and respect that is rare (at best) when I am out with my black kids... just an example: The McD's playplace has a no-socks-no-play policy, but my white kids played there regularly in bare feet. The first time my black kids tried that, they were pounced on- I was required to buy (overpriced!) socks they had for sale before the kids could play. I had never been followed around a store as though I were a potential shoplifter, until I went shopping with my brown kids... it's not an unusual thing for this to happen now:( My son has a hard time keeping his pants up on his skinny little butt;)... he was reprimanded for wearing "drug-dealer-clothes." The basic default for him as a black male child is to be treated as a potential troublemaker, when the truth of the matter is he is compliant and respectful almost to a fault. Tell me honestly.. does this child look like trouble to you?

It's true that he has many chances for success, but do you see that he is starting from a spot that is far behind his blond-haired-blue-eyed best friend? He will be a successful man, but getting there will require far more guts and resilience than any of us white folk can imagine...

perspective on being a black child. I don't think I'll ever look at a black child quite the same again. My best friend (she's not a token black friend...she really IS one of the best friends I've ever had) has never mentioned this sort of thing to me, and she grew up in a mainly white neighborhood.

Your children are very lucky to have you as a mom. Sounds like they may need the extra support, too.

And for a different twist....as a normal sized teen with morbidly obese sisters....I hope you don't hold it against the blonde, white children that they have "advantages." As a normal size (used to be plump, but then went on a diet, while sisters did not) kid...I felt as if the weight, so to speak, of my sisters' plight and problems was on my shoulders. I was made to feel guilty that I had dates, and they did not. That I could find certain clothes that they could not. But all I was doing was being a normal kid; it wasn't my fault that my sisters had this problem.

Thanks for a new perspective, though. I'm going to make a point of not acting differently around black children at all (altho I don't have much contact w/any children).

I don't hold it against my kids that have an easier time:) BUT I do make sure that they are aware of the fact that they get a pass sometimes when others don't. I want them to see that sometimes they may be getting ahead through no merit of their own, I want them to be grateful for what they do have and gracious to those who have to work for what is handed to them. I want to be sure that they don't inadvertently perpetuate any of the attitudes or behaviors that make life difficult for others. I consider being part of an interracial family to be an incredible blessing!

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Obama is not entitled to the nomination. He has not - and will not have - won 2024 pledged delegates. Thus, both candidates have a claim for the nomination.

Yet the Obama supporters will continue to play the race card.

anyway, and that our votes are not important.

She seems to feel she will do fine without our votes. So try to calm down. She's run such a stellar campaign, I'm sure she's correct on this, too. NOT.

Among school teachers, this is know as "natural consequences." I'm all for letting the Hillary camp and the DLC live with the consequences of their actions.

I went to Starbucks twice in the last year, and am therefore an elitist. She and Bill have rejected me.

...but if you actually went to Starbucks TWICE! My gawd, you're the Devil's Handmaiden!

supporters, its about Kucinich, Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, Gravel, Biden and Obama supporters who feel this way. Some people have lost their first choice and are for Obama and despise what Clinton is doing to the party and in the long run to our country, its not always just about Obama's supporters, like they are all just one group of strange people who support him because of his race. So I disagree and don't think that all of the above supporters are playing the so called race card, people are sick of the typical politics that have ruined our country and put it in the direction its going and want to get away from it.

Clinton is just the same old thing and I personally think the same old thing isn't what I want for my children's future, maybe you like where our country is heading and want to stick to the same game plan...not everyone does and its not because of race, so drop the race card yourself!

But, screwing the Black voters..again...is reason enough.

Yes, I said it again.

Now it would be like going to Thanksgiving Dinner and having to sit next to the uncle who molested you..

I'm saving this post, because even though I expect Hillary to win the Democratic nomination, should she not, I want no Hillary supporter, on DU or off, forgetting exactly the type of people that Obama represents, and how they've behaved since the start of this primary campaign.

Thank you SoCalDem, for so clearly conveying Obama's supporter's attitudes and behavior throughout.

let me know!!!!!! That is perfect!

a comedian (don;t know who) said something similar..

"like getting college paid for by Grampa..but he molested you"

This race has gotten so polarized, anyone who thinks its a sure thing that we'll be putting the Democratic Humpty Dumpty party together again has a real shock coming.

Obama's campaign has nothing BUT deferrential to her..

She's been treated with kid gloves..

How DARE he raise 1/4 billion dollars from SUPPORTERS, and how DARE he run against her.. That seems to be the crux of her "problem"..

how dare he draw tens of thousands of people? How dare his supporters vote for HIM..when it was promised to her..:shrug:

he has a different map..a different base..so the extreme hill-lovers can do as they please.. as would his ardent supporters..

if she prevails..good luck with FL, IL, MI, OH, PA without African American support..

and those big states..like TEXAS??:rofl:..

all the primaries after Mccain won, were tainted by Rush'ites, so that's another Hill constituency group that will peel away...:)

She's BEHIND in the delegate race!!!!! What! You're mad because we won't give it to her just because? Please!! Hillary supporters don't have any beef. Your candidate LOST fair and square even though she didn't fight fair and square.

the feelings that Hillary's supporters have toward Obama are the typical feelings one has toward a rival nominee. There is nothing special there. They will vote for Obama if he is the nominee. You can ignore any statements from them to the contrary.

In contrast, what Obama supporters and the African American contingent in particular feel toward Hillary is NOT the typical anger and feelings. The final nail in the coffin was the Farrakhan remark which is about as bad as you can get as far as race-baiting is concerned.

I live in NY and will never vote for Hillary in any race again. It if comes to a race between her and a Republican either for President or if she runs again for the senate, I will write in a vote for myself so at least I will be able to say I voted for a Democrat.

clouded.

We've split right down the middle. Will AA's just permanently leave the party? How long will they nurse their grudge? Must every future nominee be AA to garner their support?

Likewise for the "other" side - how long will the blue collar white Dems refuse to vote for an AA nominee?

Let's face it. We're screwed. Might as well go ahead and formally split into two parties, and relegate ourselves to the dustbin of history.

Way to go, Dems.

Bake

given pre-eminence. As I've said numerous times, Hillary is so tragically behind that she has a heavy if not insurmountable burden of arguing why the pledged delegate count should be ignored. Just because she is doing better now is a poor argument for making her the nominee. If that was a legit argument then it should have applied during the majority of this contest and she should have been gone a long time ago. In fact, if it were anyone running other than a Clinton, they would have been gone by now.

I have some friends who have said that they will cast a nonvote if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.
They value voting enough to be sure to vote for their representative, etc but the presidential box will be left blank.

I won't stay home and I won't vote McCain. I may write in either Edwards or Obama and vote in local elections. To me voting for Clinton would be as much of a throw away vote as if I would vote for John McCain against her. To me they're the same option. If people are voting against him because of flag pins or being black, or if they're offended by a flamboyant black preacher criticizing our government, because we've been conditioned to believe anything short of "USA! USA! WE'RE #1!" is unpatriotic, then I believe we deserve four years of John McCain (or Hillary) as punishment for being such ignorant fools!

could have become the presumptive dem nominee? on the flip side, if O was a black *woman* he would have been laughed out of the race without making it out of low single digits. these are undeniable facts.

delegates? :shrug:

I do not believe all the reports of people who will cross over to vote for McCain if their choice doesn't get the Democratic nomination. That's not the real problem. It's the people who stay home, and thereby deprive the bottom of the ticket badly needed votes. It's the candidate for state rep, state judge, congress that get wiped out.

If the party somehow loses its mind and nominates Hillary, with Barack having the pledged delegate lead, it will be the biggest mistake since picking and running Walter Mondale. with similar or worse results.

Eight months ago, I was raising money for Clinton. I will not vote for her in November after her sickening campaign BS over the past few months.

She has no chance to get the nomination. But if by some miracle she does get it, I will write in someone that I actually respect.

classes of people.

Though one has to admit, cutting off noses to spite collective faces is very much an AMERICAN trait- it seems to touch all classes, races and religions.

...so why play doormat for the Clintons who have been so shitty to them in this election?

the probable consequences of a McCain win in November- not only on black communities all a cross the country- but for everyone else who can't move out of the states.

While having the Clintons back is FAR from my first choice, there's no question in my mind that they're by far the lesser of two evils, particularly considering that the American economy is likely to contract- or collapse- over the next 5 years.

The problem many Democrats have is that they are so used to worshiping the Clintons that they simply can't bring themselves to believe the depth of depravity that these two are capable of.

Many Democrats made the same mistake with Bush Jr. No, a sitting president WOULD NEVER sit silently while an attack on New York was carried out. No, a sitting president would NEVER allow the outing of a CIA agent by his WH staff. No, a sitting president would NEVER cover for Enron for months so that Lay et al. could get their own financil affairs in order before Enron went insolvent (Bush knew in early fall, Enron filed in early December, and all the while Lay and other Enron executives were lying to investors about Enron's financial health. No, a sittig president WOULD NEVER use terrorist threats to keep Americans frightened while he and his goons did their dirty work on our country....

I sat back trough it all, trying to get people to open their freaking eyes, to look at Bush's history and realize that there was nothing in his history that would indicate that he would not be involved in those atrocities, and everything to indicate he would. I grew frustrated with the media providing Bush cover while they printed his lies about what was going on to keep the masses unquestioning and meek.

The same thing is happening now. What in Hillary's background, in her ACTIONS, makes you think she would be better than McCain?

I'm not talking about campaign promises: her history on performing on her promises is weak.

I'm not talking about what she SAID she'd do: her history on telling the truth is as bad as Bush Jr's.

I'm talking about WHAT SHE HAS DONE since she has been in the Senate, and in this campaign.

There is nothing in her history, that I know of (and I know quite a bit because I spent some time in Arkansas, boots-on-the-ground, doing research during the Scaife-funded attacks on the Clintons)that would indicate that she would be better than McCain.

But I am open to persuasion. Give me some evidence.

do you really think Republican fundies and Republican cronys even remotely resemble the scientists and professionals that the Clintons would put in charge?

Then of course, there the Supreme Court- (Obama, the Con law professor should zero leadership in keeping two of the most extreme justices ever appointed off the bench. Instead, he criticized the filibuster!).

How do you think that's going to stack up under McCain?

If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to think before you equate almost any Democratic administration with what Republicans have proven time and again that they'll do.

...be better than McCain?

She has used her power in the Senate to toady to the Republicans. WAKE THE HELL UP! What makes you think she won't use her power as Presdent to toady to the Republicans?

between the Clintons and pretty much ANY Republican after all this time, there's not much I can say to persuade you.

And at any rate, the way it looks at this stage is that you (and others who are stuck living in the states) will have 4 more years- till 2013 to ponder the questions.

The big cheeto is a hate-hillary at all cost site.

Sadly, this post is merely ignorant crap, and everything you read there should be taken with a grain of salt.

lots of furious voters out there will be "leaving it blank".

But it's a Daily Kos diary.

He is not a nice person.

Hillary Clinton has such a magnificent record when it comes to race relations and fighting for equal opportunity for all. So does President Clinton. What Barack Obama has done to our country is unforgiveable.

If Hillary Clinton had won the Democrats Abroad mail-in vote I doubt it would have been considered the equivalent of all the other contests. And if Obama had lost all those contests, due to a fluke in the scheduling and which states came first, nobody would have called for him to drop out. Not with the delegate count so close, and states he was expected to win still to come.

Steve

...but nice attempt at pulling a Rove. You would make Hillary proud.

I know, being a Boomer, Obama doesn't want my vote, because he himself has denigrated my generation.

So I ask again: What racial slurs, FROM HILLARY?

I will not vote for Hillary if she steals the nomination. Does anybody here really think she's putting the country or our party ahead of her own personal interests here? I refuse to support a power hungry politician like her. She knows she doesn't have the numbers, and most Democrats want Obama. Yet she stays in. In the process she's ruining our party. Screw her! :mad:

Isn't he just the sweetest thing.

What a cynical, manipulative son of a bitch.