Has Obama addressed the Kantor video fraud?

Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:39 PM
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Has Obama addressed the Kantor video fraud?

The Wright controversy was, of course, a distraction and had nothing to do with getting us out of Iraq, or doing anything about the economy. Neither does a fake video clip from the 90s. Has he addressed it yet? Denounced it yet?

I didn't think so. "New kind of politics" my ass.

Bake

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Adelante

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Fri May-02-08 03:40 PM
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1. What does he have to do with it?

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:47 PM
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13. His supporters have been running wild with it all day.

Some still are, even knowing it's been doctored.

Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:53 PM
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21. So Obama should "denounce and reject" Kantor now? Now I've heard it all. n/t

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NotThisTime

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Fri May-02-08 03:58 PM
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32. Exactly, what the hell does he have to do with it? what a joke.

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 04:00 PM
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41. Hardly. What he ought to say is this is a bullshit distraction

that has nothing to do with the issues of the campaign. Just like he said about Wright.

Bake

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Exilednight

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Fri May-02-08 04:06 PM
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46. Just like Hillary did for Wright? Oh wait, she didn't. n/t

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Adelante

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Fri May-02-08 03:58 PM
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33. Clinton supporters have been running wild blaming Obama for putting it out there

Supporters run wild. No news there.

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Fri May-02-08 03:41 PM
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2. Obama's got better things to do. He's not some drama queen.

He wouldn't even attack Clinton on the snipergate video, and that wasn't even doctored.

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Symarip

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Fri May-02-08 03:43 PM
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5. HAHA - Funny how Obama has to answer for the world now.

It's just ridiculous.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 03:49 PM
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16. Not for the world, just his supporters and financial contributors.

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:53 PM
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22. One of his supporters here is busily

making sure to send the revised link around to the media ... see the other thread for that despicable type of "activism," and you'll see who/what I'm talking about.

Bake

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 03:56 PM
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28. Friskies

It is despicable.

I just want to scream "Did you not learn your lesson from 3 hours ago?"

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Symarip

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Fri May-02-08 03:57 PM
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31. And every bad step Hillary makes along the way

Bill makes a shitty/racist comment in South Carolina ~ It's Obama's fault, he should say something.

Hillary lies about getting shot at ~ Obama should come out and defend her lies.

The mainstream media catches Hillary lying about NAFTA support ~ How come Obama is making the bad men look at her descrepencies? He should really say something.

It never fucking ends. She fucks up, he should say something even though by not saying anything he's practicing what he preaches: taking the high road.

But any time he stumbles, there she is, throwing wood on the fire. For amplifying data, see Bill O'Reilly interview concerning Reverend Wright.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:01 PM
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42. So that is justification for some people here to do something they KNOW is wrong?

To level the field?

New Politics, I guess. Folks on the internet do all the dirty work and the candidate gets to stay sparkling clean.

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Symarip

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Fri May-02-08 04:06 PM
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45. Just what the fuck is he 'doing' wrong?

As far as we know, he did nothing. His campaign did nothing. Since when is it right to apologize for something you didn't do? Why does he have to react to distractors that have nothing to do with his issues and his stance?

I don't get it. A shark killed a surfer in San Diego last week. So do I need to start apologizing for shark behavior? It's irrelevant.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:09 PM
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48. Wow...I guess he could do the same thing Feingold did.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/28/20448/7144

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olkaz

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Fri May-02-08 03:41 PM
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3. He had nothing to do with it.

And honestly, turnabout is fair play.

"Fingergate" was SO important. Glad we got that vetted.

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 03:42 PM
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4. What does it have to do with Obama?

Did Hillary denounce the Wright controversy? Of course not. She encouraged it.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 03:46 PM
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11. My response would be that ...

Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:46 PM by prodn2000

Obama's political contributors furiously sent (or claimed to have sent) this debunked lie to nearly everywhere in the media.

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:00 PM
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40. So he has to control his millions of supporters now?

How would you suggest he go about doing that?

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:01 PM
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43. He could put out a YouTube video...

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:06 PM
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44. So, you also think that Obama should be held to a higher standard?

I guess that says a lot that you expect better from him than from other candidates.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:07 PM
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Higher standard than what? or whom?

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:12 PM
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49. Hillary Clinton

Has she ever asked her supporters to stop smearing Obama?

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:18 PM
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52. I don't remember Obama-backer Russ Feingold asking Clinton's supporters to

Cool it.

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:21 PM
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53. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:23 PM
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56. It has EVERY thing to do with what we are talking about.

When your own supporter tells your fans/contributors/enthusiasts the "Cool It,"

That might imply they are doing something "wrong."

Like today.

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:33 PM
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57. I am talking about Hillary Clinton.

And Hillary Clinton supporters. You suggested that Obama should tell his supporters to stop attacking Hillary. I am questioning why Hillary shouldn't say the same thing to her supporters. Do you understand now?

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 04:35 PM
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58. You aren't speaking a foreign language. I don't remember having someone tell Clinton

that her supporters should, "Cool It."

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 04:40 PM
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60. I think its more of a reading comprehension problem than a langauge barrier.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 05:31 PM
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66. I know that you hate the facts, but a US Senator and a supporter of Obama

Told OBAMA's supporters to, "Cool It."

Not Clinton's supporters. I wonder why that is...

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 06:31 PM
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67. Because he knows Hillary already lost.

He feels bad for her.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 06:35 PM
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69. Clever,

But stupid.

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 06:39 PM
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70. Both?

How can that be?

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 06:42 PM
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71. Clever that you changed the subject slightly before delivering the crushing blow of all 81 IQ points

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redsoxrudy

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Fri May-02-08 04:52 PM
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62. Blumenthal?? Hello!!

So has Hillary apologized for what Sydney Blumenthal has been doing?

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:48 PM
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14. And many O-people here roundly condemned her for not doing so.

I guess a different standard applies to Obama.

Bake

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Ashy Larry

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Fri May-02-08 03:59 PM
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37. That doesn't make any sense.

You are the one applying a different standard. You are holding Obama to a higher standard.

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DJ13

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Fri May-02-08 03:43 PM
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6. Has Hillary EVER defended Obama over Wright?

So why should he get involved?

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knixphan

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Fri May-02-08 03:43 PM
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7. He's busy running for President.

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BeyondGeography

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Fri May-02-08 03:44 PM
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8. He has been quiet about that whole "God bless the rich thing" too

(Hint: Don't hold your breath; he doesn't give two shits.)

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scheming daemons

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Fri May-02-08 03:44 PM
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9. Hey dummy... if he addresses it, he adds FUEL to the fire......

...Just like Hillary should've said NOTHING AT ALL about Rev. Wright.

Obama *AND* Hillary *AND* McCain should all answer with "no comment" or "I don't know anything about it".

THAT'S how you make a story go away.

If Obama speaks up, even to denounce, he gives the story legs. If he WERE a politician in the manner that Hillary is, he would say something like:

"as far as I know, Mickey Kantor didn't say what he's being accused of."

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:49 PM
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17. Hey, dipshit.

I can call names too.

Bake

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scheming daemons

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Fri May-02-08 03:50 PM
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19. But you apparently can't respond to the body of my post....

Anything Obama says about this adds FUEL TO THE FIRE.

He's doing Hillary a favor by ignoring it.

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 04:07 PM
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47. If he's asked the question (which I can't believe he hasn't been ...)

And he ducks it, it's adding fuel to the fire. If he says it's a bullshit distraction, he's addressing it properly.

Bake

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scheming daemons

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Fri May-02-08 04:23 PM
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54. Why can't you believe he hasn't been asked yet?

He's done two town halls today and is on a plane to NC right now.

He probably hasn't even heard about it yet... and even if he has, there hasn't been an opportunity for a reporter to ask him about it yet.

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scheming daemons

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Fri May-02-08 04:23 PM
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55. Also... if he HAS been asked about it... you would've heard about his reaction - no matter what it

was...

...so obviously... he HASN'T been asked about it yet.

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DAGDA56

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Fri May-02-08 03:45 PM
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10. Why should he?

There is no proof it came from his campaign...and it's a bit early to call it either a fraud or a scandal isn't it? I do think he should have an answer ready if asked, but not volunteer anything.

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Kittycat

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Fri May-02-08 03:46 PM
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12. What does this have to do with Obama? This has to do with the Clinton Bus, and

their history of pandering and throwing people under the bus that they don't like.

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yourguide

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Fri May-02-08 03:48 PM
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15. What would you like him to say? This?

Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:53 PM by yourguide

"Mickey Kantor did not call the voters of Indiana 'worthless white n*****s' at 3am, or while in Bosnia, or any other time...as far as I know."

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berni_mccoy

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Fri May-02-08 03:50 PM
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18. Looks like it is NOT a FRAUD: LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5786951&mesg_id=5786951

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Bake

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Fri May-02-08 03:51 PM
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20. The director of the film said Kantor did not say that.

I'll take his word for it, thanks.

Bake

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berni_mccoy

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Fri May-02-08 03:54 PM
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24. And the director doesn't have a bias? The reviewers who reviewed the video at the time it was made

Believe Kantor DID say those things.

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PBS Poll-435

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Fri May-02-08 03:59 PM
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36. I am sure that the movie was reviewed by more than 2 people/publications.

1. WaPo that doesn't elaborate

2. Sydney Fucking Austrailia? There description of the scene doesn't match THE SCENE. This is supposed to be a movie review, not a book review.

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ronnykmarshall

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Fri May-02-08 04:18 PM
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51. Nancy Pelosi's daughter did a film about Bush in the 2000 campaign.

Was she bias in favor of HIM?

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scheming daemons

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Fri May-02-08 03:55 PM
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25. Fine... but has nothing to do with the point of your OP.... what exactly should Obama say?

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olkaz

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Fri May-02-08 03:55 PM
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27. Considering that both the director and the viewers were looking at the exact same thing...

I think it's fair to say that it's up for interpretation.

He wasn't reading from a script.

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wileedog

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Fri May-02-08 03:54 PM
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23. He's had several town halls today and is on a plane heading for NC

I doubt he even knows it exists at this point.

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dcindian

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Fri May-02-08 03:55 PM
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26. how disgusting of you

Clintons deserve you.

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yourguide

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Fri May-02-08 03:56 PM
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29. Did HRC reject and denounce the rethugs wright ads in NC?

Did she reject and denounce the muslim smear?

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yardwork

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Fri May-02-08 03:57 PM
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30. Has Hillary Clinton addressed her campaign's connection to illegal robo-calling?

I don't give a rat's ass about a video of somebody saying something in 1993. I don't care who said it or not.

I do care about the Clinton campaign's apparent connection to a filthy dirty voter-suppression scheme. Where's the explanation?

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ecstatic

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Fri May-02-08 03:59 PM
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34. Why should he address it? WHY? nt

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WeDidIt

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Fri May-02-08 03:59 PM
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35. Why should he address anything to do with Kantor?

It;'s ridiculous to assume he needs to say anything at all about the situation.

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washingdem

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Fri May-02-08 03:59 PM
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38. "He's not a Muslim... as far as I know."

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4_Legs_Good

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Fri May-02-08 04:00 PM
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39. First of all, what does it have to do with Obama, 2nd of all, it's not even really NEWS!

It's some kid on YouTube who thinks he heard something!

I don't see much news coverage online. No TV access at work.

David

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ronnykmarshall

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Fri May-02-08 04:17 PM
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50. Why?

It's a non-story. It has nothing to do with him. I'd want to stay away from this and distance myself from all the shit fits that went on in here too if I were him.

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wowimthere

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Fri May-02-08 04:36 PM
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59. Why should he have to care about this? He wasn't responsible... and it's over

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jeffrey_X

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Fri May-02-08 04:41 PM
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61. Why the fuck should he have to?

wtf

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zanne

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Fri May-02-08 04:55 PM
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63. In other words, Hillary got herself in trouble and now...

Obama has to get her out of it? What planet do you live on?

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Beausoir

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Fri May-02-08 04:56 PM
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64. I seriously doubt Obama wants anything to do with the nutjobs who fell for this fraud.

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woolldog

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Fri May-02-08 04:59 PM
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65. he hasn't been asked about it

as far as I know. Do you want him to bring it up? Why would he bring up every stupid rumor involving Hillary Clinton?

Should he bring up Humba Avedin as well, to denounce the focus on it? Should he bring up all the other stupid gaffes?

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Mobius

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Fri May-02-08 06:32 PM
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68. And how many people do you think

could have uploaded this without his knowledge?
It's YouTube FFS!

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Orangepeel

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Fri May-02-08 06:44 PM
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72. Why should he? Did Clinton address that crazy guy before he failed a lie detector test?

I can't remember his name, but he claimed to have done coke with Obama in a limo and given him a blow job (or maybe it was the other way around). It was nuts, but the only reason I know about it is because I saw multiple threads about it here.

Why should either candidate address crazy shit that everyone ought to ignore?

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