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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:16 PM
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I am SO EMBARRASSED that Fellow Dems would use ROBO CALLS to Suppress the Vote!
AND THAT SOME FELLOW DUERS SEEM UNFAZED BY IT:

Group with Clinton Ties Behind Dubious Robocalls

by Peter Overby


All Things Considered, May 1, 2008 · Thousands of North Carolina residents answered their telephones last week to hear this message, delivered in a deep, soothing voice:

"Hello. This is Lamont Williams. In the next few days, you will receive a voter registration packet in the mail. All you need to do is fill it out, sign it, date and return the application. Then you will be able to vote and make your voice heard. Please return your registration form when it arrives. Thank you."

In fact, the deadline to register for the May 6 Democratic presidential primary had already passed. The robocall went to many registered voters who were expecting to vote that day. The call and follow-up mailings left many wondering whether they were registered for the primary or not.

This sounds like a classic example of voter suppression — sowing confusion in order to drive down turn-out. The calls seemed to be aimed at African-American communities, places where Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is expected to run well ahead of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

-snip

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863


Nonprofit's Contracts Called into Question

by Will Evans

Charity watchdogs say the way the group Women's Voices Women Vote has spent its money on at least one contract raises red flags.

In 2006, the organization paid Integral Resources Inc. nearly $800,000 for phone services. That company's CEO and founder is Ron Rosenblith, who is married to Women's Voices president, Page Gardner. The contract represents 16 percent of the nonprofit's budget. The group is funded mostly through foundations and individual donations.

"I think it's a really big concern," said Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Institute of Philanthropy in Chicago. "It does give an appearance of a conflict of interest."

The question, he and other charity experts say, would be whether Integral Resources profited from its inside connections. Women's Voices did not make anyone available to comment.

The organization also paid several million dollars more on contracts with companies run by five additional members of the nonprofit's leadership team.

-snip

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:17 PM
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1. I want an answer from the Clinton campaign now.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:20 PM
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3. "two and a half months after they had told a newspaper in Virginia that they vowed to stop the pract
A well funded group doesn't make REPEATED "mistakes" like this on accident!
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:19 PM
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2. "that Fellow Dems would use ROBO CALLS to Suppress the Vote!"...
Well there in lies my problem with the above statement.... I am not convinced that these people are truly Democrats, cause as far as I know Democrats would not conduct themselves in this manner.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:20 PM
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4. Maggie Williams, Hillary's campaign manager, helped found the group.
Presumably she is a registered Democrat.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:22 PM
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6. I believe I detected snark in the comment you replied to.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:21 PM
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5. I blame our party leadership
.....for not rooting out the Republicans from our ranks.

And I blame Obama's campaign for not recognizing the fact that they arent running against a Democrat for the nomination, and responding appropriately.


Okay, not so much the second one, but they really do need to recognize what they are fighting here.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:30 PM
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7. It's called 'eating your own'
Is Hillary really a Democrat?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:39 PM
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8. Sund/Mond I am emailing Olbermann and maybe others could join in
We need to get this information to Keith - the more of us the merrier.

Here are some contact emails for KO:
viewerservices@msnbc.com

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

gregg.cockrell@msnbc.com (Gregg was a staff person for Keith several years back - don't know if his email still works.)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:57 PM
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10. The KOlbermann@.... doesn't work anymore will try the staffer. thanks
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:25 PM
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12. No thank you and the others who keep posting this info
Without all of the people here at DU I would think that Wright was some sort of baby eating
Belzebub and that Hillary was the second coming.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:53 PM
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9. hillary isn't a democrat
she started as republican and she's back to being a republican
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:21 PM
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11. Obama used the WVWV to get himself elected in 2004.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/1/44256/46655

<snip>
Barack Obama and his lawyer Bob Bauer know all of this. Obama knows that WVWV was critical to registering new voters for him in Illinois in 2004, Bob Bauer knows the Bush administration's history of punishing groups like WVWV with frivolous lawsuits, they know that WVWV works closely with the NAACP and ACORN, they know that it is illegal for non-partisan (501(c)(3)s) to coordinate with candidates. And yet Barack Obama has decided that his political skin is more important than all of that work expanding the franchise, and if he can score some points against Hillary Clinton by characterizing a group that registers women as racist, then he will.
<snip>

Not that the TRUTH matters. More truth here...


<snip>
Occasionally Republicans will harass voter registration organizations with legal actions in an attempt to force them to waste resources on legal bills rather than spending them registering new voters. This is a tactic often used against organizations like the NAACP and ACORN. It was one of the key components of the U.S. Attorney scandal, where U.S. Attorneys who refused to pursue politically motivated legal action against voter registration groups were fired.
<snip>

I'm embarrassed, too. I really wish people would research before they react.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:34 PM
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13. This is nonsense. They're trying to claim the group is being harrassed?
Why are the AGs and others, including the group's own board members, stating that the tactics were possibly illegal? Why did the group apologize after getting caught?

Obama used the group, so? Who said they engaged in the same tactics then?



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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:39 PM
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14. Oh, please.
Obama used the group, so? Who said they engaged in the same tactics then?

The NAACP should LOVE this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:43 PM
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15. Oh, please, what? What the hell does that have to do with the charges? n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:20 PM
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20. You must have missed this...
This is a tactic often used against organizations like the NAACP and ACORN. It was one of the key components of the U.S. Attorney scandal, where U.S. Attorneys who refused to pursue politically motivated legal action against voter registration groups were fired.

How soon we forget.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:09 PM
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17. you can try to blow this off...
but a lot of people seem to think this smells.

You could do a little more research yourself before you announce the "TRUTH" according to you.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:30 PM
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22. Who's "blowing it off"?
A lot of people think a lot of things. Are you disputing that the US Attorney scandal wasn't about trying to trump up charges that weren't there? The US Attorneys that lost their jobs because of this bullshit TESTIFIED before Congress.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:08 PM
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29. nice try but wrong analogy
the AG of NC is LEGITIMATELY pursuing what is a classic case of voter intimidation that has been a chronic problem in NC, with tight races between D and R always. Usually the perps are Rethugs. What's so remarkable in this case is the trail appears to lead back to the Dems.

Sorry but 11 states, many complaints, the opinions of election fraud researchers in NC, the AG ordering a 'cease and desist' etc etc--- sorry, the evidence is piling up against WVWV.

This is NOT about R appointees not doing the political will of their boss. This is not about "trumped -up charges". This is about familiar patterns of abuse that call for investigation.

BIG DIFF.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:58 PM
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24. He ran against Alan Keyes-he had a cake walk!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:39 PM
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27. i take it you have studied the 2004 illinois election....
so you noticed that obama was very popular with the republicans in this state.....
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:46 PM
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28. Seeing he got 70% of the vote, I would say he was popular with everyone who voted:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/S/01/

Actually I was focused on winning Ohio for Kerry in 2004.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:51 PM
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16. I want an explanation, too
Tapping my foot, Hill.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:51 PM
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18. yes, right there with the embarassment / horror of it all......
this is what amazes me about this--it appears that Democrats are acting like Rethugs. Are we really seeing vote suppression from the highest echelons of the Dem party? Boggles the mind. And were they only POSING as a voter help org.?--ouch. Seems like they did do some helping --registering unmarried women-- and then they turned around and did this?

What's really going on here? :shrug:

We do need to get to the bottom of it.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:16 PM
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19. Couldn't agree more. Leave election fraud to the Rethug experts.
As every day goes by, Hillary's campaign seems to be writing her political obituary. I am sorry to see this, but it's happening before all our eyes.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:29 PM
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21. it's something Bush would do
not a Democrat. How disgusting. No less than I've come to expect from Hillary.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:32 PM
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23. Agreed! This adopting the Republican play book for voter suppression is unacceptable!
I am appalled that anyone who calls himself or herself a Democrat would engage in these seedy, anti democratic methods to suppress minority voters. That should get a person run out of the party.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:58 PM
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25. PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAZED BY THIS ARE NOT DU'ERS
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:28 PM
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26. not true.....
there is no proof that anyone connected to hillary`s staff is doing this. sid`s emails is another story that is`t true,the "tape" i`t true ,and the robo calls well that it`s true either....
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:05 PM
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30. Maggie Williams, Hillary's campaign manager, is closely associated with this group.
Why? I want answers.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:50 AM
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31. kick
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