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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:55 PM
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Clinton supporters boo and disrupt Obama surrogate John Kerry's speech in RI (UPDATED w/ video)
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:12 PM by beachmom
http://www.projo.com/news/content/POLITICAL_SCENE_3_03-03-08_AU96UJ4_v18.2a4e4a3.html

Then when the lights dimmed and the show began, the crowd seemed even more surprised to see Sen. John Kerry and his trademark helmet of hair bound onto the stage.

The Massachusetts senator and presidential near-miss cracked wise about Rhode Island politics, Buddy Cianci’s ability “to cross state lines” again, and his own recent trip to Pakistan, noting that instead of being swift boated, politicians there get “swift goated.”

But his well-received shtick turned serious as the topic moved to tomorrow’s presidential primary, and Kerry trotted out what seemed like a stump speech for his preferred candidate, Barack Obama.

Within minutes, Hillary Clinton supporters in the crowd of 1,500 decided Kerry had gone on a little too long, and isolated boos and chants of “HILL-A-RY” started to well up around the room.

Their chorus soon grew loud enough to drown out Kerry and the senator wasted no time thanking the audience and ducking offstage.


Not cool and pretty damned rude. But, you know, emotions are running high in this primary season, and people get carried away ... on BOTH SIDES.

I have VIDEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCdSym08yWM

At about 4:00 it starts. Pretty bad.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:57 PM
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oooooo - so "rude" & "classless" - I'm sure all the tsk-tsking Hillary supporters will agree. -eom
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:15 PM
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33. No one I know likes Kerry..
He's a coarse, rude, individual. Shaking hands with him is like shaking hands with a cold fish..

He's obsessed with entitlement and curiously obsessed with his betters, The Clintons! :rofl:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:24 PM
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41. NO ONE that I know likes Hillary, so what? Just another good Dem under the bus to you, huh?
I'd fucking love to have someone like John Kerry for a Senator.

The two clowns I have aren't fit to shine his shoes.

Neither is anyone who tears apart a good Democrat like you just did.
But hey, I know that is Modus Operandi for your girl's campaign.
Scorched Earth policy and all that.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:25 PM
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43. If you watch the video, you will clearly see the people there like Kerry.
They just didn't want to hear about Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCdSym08yWM
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:50 PM
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57. Believe me they were being polite..
they are aware of Kerry's backstabbing the Clintons.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:54 PM
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61. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Kerry backstabbed Clinton????!!! Tell me another one ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

We all know who did the backstabbing, and is now openly threatening John Kerry with The Big Chill in Congress.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:33 PM
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83. WHEN did Kerry ever backstab the Clintons? He helped them get INTO the WH. They repaid him
by protecting BushInc throughout the 90s after Kerry risked his life and career to uncover Bush's corruption in IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

Clintons stabbed Kerry as they worked AGAINST him to protect Bush in 2004 so Hillary could run in 2008.

Historian Douglas Brinkley noticed the backstabbing in April 2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill Clinton did it openly in summer of 2004 when he defended Bush repeatedly during his high profile book tour.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville sabotaged Ohio Dem voters on election night as he stabbed Kerry for the Clintons.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Hillary sided with Bush and McCain to stab Kerry in the back, yet again publicly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

But underming Dems and their hard work to protect Bushes is nothing new to the Clintons.
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:14 PM
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74. just broke your bubble dude....
I fucking like Kerry!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:40 PM
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87. I LOVE the top anti-corruption, open government Democrat in DC - John Kerry.
And Bill loved him too when he was able to become president in 93 thanks to the YEARS of work Kerry performed uncovering and exposing the corruption of IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

Then Bill got into office and spent the 90s covering up all those outstanding matters for GHWBush - what an INGRATE! What a fascist TOOL Bill turned out to be.
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:43 PM
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102. best fricking republican president....
rings true don't it. Thanks for an excellent reply.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:29 PM
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80. That's because you hang out with people like you
Kerry is routinely described as a gentleman. Kerry is not the one who thinks the rules need to changed for him - something the Clintons always do. You are curiously obsessed with Kerry - to a very unhealthy degree. I was with a large group of JK group people - who shook both John Kerry's and Teresa's hands - neither are "cold fish".

My Indiana relatives thought the shooting whiskey in a town near their's didn't show a whole lot of class.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:50 PM
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59. I think it's rude. Yes
.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:57 PM
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1. Did they boo Obama? No? I thought not
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:58 PM
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2. The Obama supporters didn't boo Clinton, they booed the superdelegate that endorsed her.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:32 PM
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82. Because he was very rude when he endorsed her
and inappropriate - as many threads on DU noted. Kerry was not.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:58 PM
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3. So what? It's rude either way.
It's rude to do that in the middle of anyone's speech, whether the candidate or a surrogate.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:00 PM
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6. Exactly. My point is not to single out Clinton supporters, but to illustrate that emotions
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:26 PM by beachmom
are running high. RI was a Clinton state that had rude Clinton supporters, and NC is an Obama state with some rude Obama supporters.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:59 PM
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4. They booed our last Democratic nominee for talking up Obama. That is even worse. nt
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:01 PM
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8. Only a decorated War Veteran, former Lt Governor, 28 yr serving US Senator & former Dem Pres Cand
but no, not Obama.

:eyes:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:00 PM
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5. I don't like the tenor of the writing.
First there was former first daughter Chelsea Clinton, who worked the room during cocktail hour, greeting guests and posing for photos at the end of a day of campaigning for her mother, Sen. Hillary Clinton.




On the teeter-totter of journalistic sincerity: more dishing than reporting.


Imo.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:02 PM
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11. Well, the whole article was written lightly because the event was supposed to be light.
I wouldn't read too much into it. Oh, and Kerry knew what he was getting himself into when he did the event, but he is a brave soul willing to go into the lion's den, if you will.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:19 PM
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35. The video I updated with shows that the writer was spot on capturing the scene.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:25 PM
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42. 4:00 in.
Got it.

The video made all the difference.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:01 PM
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7. Oh My... Hillary Supporters are so "Cult-Like"
Reminds me of Florida 2000:



See... I can do it too. :eyes:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:05 PM
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17. But you don't do it well. Those are Bush supporters.
And your attempt to paint a genuine progressive as somehow equivalent to Bush is intellectually dishonest.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:06 PM
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21. I find this so offensive. I am a progressive democrat
and I don't like being attacked by you because I support Clinton over the newbee
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:09 PM
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27. lol
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:11 PM by fascisthunter
Hahahhaa... you sound so genuine. Let me buy you a beer. ooops, I don't drink. Well, here's a nickel for trying.


PS - I didn't know I attacked you. Does the sun rotate around your head as well?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:11 PM
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29. yes you did and you and your mob
continue to attack anyone who supports Clinton with the most vile right-wing crap.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:14 PM
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30. It's the exact same things Clinton supporters said about Obama supporters in the other thread
Wherein some rude Obama supporters interrupted to boo the governor of NC.

It sucks having people call you names, right?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:20 PM
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39. That's The Point
:thumbsup:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:28 PM
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45. NOT QUITE the same, though. The crowd EXPECTED to hear from all candidates at the JJ dinner
Edited on Sat May-03-08 05:04 PM by MADem
Kerry showed up as a SURPRISE GUEST at the RI venue. He gave a great speech at a LOCAL (not a Presidential) event, and then hijacked the local politics end of it to shill for his candidate.

I think maybe a few "ENOUGH, JOHN's" and "This ISN'T an OBAMA RALLY, JOHN" from the audience would have done it--but he was as rude, if not ruder, as the audience was. He "took over" the local follies, and he wasn't ON THE BILL.

The audience didn't buy their tickets to hear an OBAMA speech, which is different from the JJ dinner--they went there EXPECTING to hear from EVERYONE.

I don't go for booing, though, at any event--it sounds to me like the HILLARY chants were more of a way of telling Kerry that HE was being rude, though. Absent booing, that would be fine, because he WAS being rude trying to take a local event and hijack the audience.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:33 PM
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47. The video is a total of 5 minutes. It is hardly rude to talk up your candidate.
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:34 PM by beachmom
For 5 minutes. But since you trashed Ted Kennedy earlier today, it was inevitable that you would trash your other senator. I'm in Georgia, by the way, and your temper tantrums about your two most excellent senators shows how your hatred of anyone who won't go along with Clinton has removed any objectivity from your comments. You should count yourself lucky, not trash GREAT SENATORS. Let's see you live down here in Georgia for a time, and see how BAD your senators from Massachusetts are in comparison. I'll give a hint: both my senators and congressmen voted against s-chip without a second thought. And there are a hell of a lot of kids without health insurance in Georgia. Who wrote the original precursor bill to the s-chip bill? Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:00 PM
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66. No one gave a speech for Clinton, did they? Because it was a JOKE ROAST.
A FUN FEST for EVERYONE--not just DEMOCRATS. It was a local evening for local pols and city insiders, put on by a NEWSPAPER, not a POLITICAL PARTY. And not a serious, downer WONK night. Kerry was rude--he hijacked the event, and talked too long.

I'm tired of John, too. And I voted for him when he ran for the House, and have voted for him every time since. So don't deign to tell me how I can discuss my Senators or how I can't hold them accountable as I see fit. See, in MA, we don't treat them like messiahs, we treat them like EMPLOYEES, which is what they are. They work FOR US, we aren't their serfs.

It's called DEMOCRACY. You might try it.

Every politician is responsible for one good thing. Some, even more. Who signed EARTH DAY into law?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:06 PM
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69. Are you tired of this?
http://kerry.senate.gov/cfm/record.cfm?id=296846

April 28, 2008

The Honorable Gene Dodaro
Acting Comptroller General,
United States Government Accountability Office
441 G St., NW
Washington, DC 20548

Dear Mr. Dodaro:

Recently, the New York Times reported that the Department of Defense (DoD) led a covert effort to cultivate military analysts with distinguished service records to produce favorable press coverage of the Administration’s wartime policies.

There is great public concern that DoD would systematically enlist military analysts, many of whom had business interests tied to the Administration’s war effort, to spread its message over the airwaves. At a time when confidence in Washington is at an all-time low, there is a very real worry among Americans that when they turn on the television to hear objective analysis from a military commentator they might instead be hearing what they would deem to be “propaganda.”

Collectively, this cadre of analysts may represent over 150 military contractors as lobbyists, senior officials, and board members. The analysts’ business relationships raise legitimate concerns as to whether some of them were encouraged to tailor their commentary in order to maintain their companies’ good standing with DoD. In fact, some analysts reportedly echoed message points they sometimes suspected to be inaccurate or false for this reason.

So that Congress may understand the full reach of this alleged operation, as well as what steps may be necessary to prevent a similar effort in the future, I ask that your office pursue a full investigation into this matter. I ask that this investigation consider the following:

* The names of all senior Pentagon officials involved in this effort, and the extent of that involvement;
* The extent of the contact between Pentagon officials and the military analysts in question regarding what was said by the analysts over the public airwaves;
* The extent to which the military analysts involved had personal financial interests that were in some way linked to their analysis, including a list of federal contracts that are in any way linked to the companies that employ any of the analysts in question;
* The extent to which the personal financial interests of the analysts were known, and potentially used, by the Pentagon to promote misleading, inaccurate or false information through the media;
* The extent to which the personal financial interests of the analysts were disclosed to the public and to the media outlets that employed their service;
* Whether the actions taken by Pentagon officials to recruit and employ the military analysts were in fact illegal, and if so, whether those involved were made aware at the time that they were breaking the law;
* What procedures are in place to ensure that military analysts with close ties to government officials or information are not using preferential access to senior officials to further business opportunities; and
* What steps need to be taken by Congress and by the Pentagon to ensure that this type of effort is not repeated.


As the answers to these questions will do much to address the level of doubt and cynicism created by these actions, I ask that you pursue this request with a sense of urgency and report your findings to Congress as expeditiously as possible.

Thank you for your consideration of this request.
Sincerely,

John Kerry


While you are engaged in SILLY PRIMARY SEASON, your senator is doing the work of the people. THAT is my point. Look, why don't you say, "I disagree with John Kerry on the presidential race, but I think he is a great senator". Why can't you say that? I mean, I still like Wes Clark and Barney Frank and Barbara Boxer and even Evan Bayh. I don't hold grudges. And, I guess, I am counting on YOU, a Dem activist in Mass., to make sure that JK is sent back to the Senate in '08, because we can't afford to lose someone of his integrity, of his caliber -- he is a great liberal senator. He knows how to investigate! We need him. And maybe my language to you today is too strong. Maybe I am just mad. But damnit all, why can't you separate a presidential preference from a good senator that this country still desperately needs?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:16 PM
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76. Aren't YOU? Why don't you read what I write, instead of cutting and pasting shit to "prove" to me
what a great guy John is? I know John, I've worked on a few of his campaigns. I've voted for him. So stop trying to shut me up. It just pisses me off. It doesn't make me go "Awwwww, let me go in town and shine the brass on John and Teresa's doorknobs, because, (choke, sob) they're just so SWELL, and I'm so MEAN for calling the guy a jerk when he behaves like one!!!"

I have the right to call it as I see it. And all of your idiotic cutting and pasting isn't going to defer me from saying he acted like a tone deaf, pompous, clueless fool at that event. He didn't read the room, and he had no excuse. He's been to the St. Patrick's Day fiascos often enough, both in Southie and Salem and elsewhere across the state--it's the same type deal, only more acts, a longer program, and more booze.

HE fucked up. Does that mean he should go into exile? NO. People make mistakes. Only the Obama crowd, apparently, does that "UNFORGIVEN" routine....is that it? PERFECTION--or YOU'RE DEAD TO ME?

:eyes:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. I don't think he f'd up at all. It was RIGHT before the primary in RI.
And he had a right to say his piece for 5 minutes. And the Clinton supporters there had a choice: act like asses or be polite. They chose the former.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. He probably cost Obama a few votes with that stupid stunt.
And he had no "right" to say his piece. He was UNINVITED, a "surprise," he popped in, he wasn't ON THE BILL.

Please. He isn't the master, and the people in the neighboring state, just because the best banquet hall is over the border in Swansea, aren't his serfs.

He got two rounds of polite applause. That means LEAVE. ENOUGH. He should have known better, he pushed it.

And you haven't proven who "they" were, at this nonpartisan, NONPOLITICAL event.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
56. It wasn't a political event, it was a satirical annual fundraiser, like the Correspondents' Dinner
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #56
67. It was a LOCAL event--it included local pols. It wasn't for presidential candidates, certainly.
Edited on Sat May-03-08 05:03 PM by MADem
It was supposed to be a FUN evening, not a lecture.

Kerry didn't read the crowd.


On edit, I wasn't clear upthread. When I said that the crowd EXPECTED to hear from the candidates, I was referring to the JJ dinner, NOT the RI event.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. Lol.... "Ya, Me and My Posse are Gonna Git Yer Gal"
I'd worry about my own campaign hiring conservatives, corporatists and Republicans as opposed to her opponent and her opponent's support. But hey, keep digging that hole.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #29
46. My OP was in response to a thread that attacked all Obama supporters for a booing incident.
My point is that both sides have done it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
40. OOPs, wrong spot!
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:22 PM by MADem
:rofl:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:01 PM
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9. Nice right wing source there.
From the linked website....

Welcome to Projo.com (the "Site"). The Site and any modifications of the Site are offered to you by The Providence Journal ("we", "us", or "our"), a subsidiary of A. H. Belo Corporation....

Belo is a horribly reich wing media company. No wonder they shill for Hillary.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. And endorsed Obama!
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:11 PM by prodn2000
(In Dallas)

Get a clue.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #9
34. I have video. The writer described it correctly:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Well done, Beachmom. Well done.
:thumbsup:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
48. Jesus, they should have booed him for being BORING. He IS soporific.
They listened politely for awhile, but why did he go ON AND ON at a FOLLIES, not a campaign event? This was generic, local poltics, not for him to take it over, and that is what he did.

And I didn't hear ANY booing. I just heard a couple of people yelling HILLARY HILLARY!!! That's not BOOING.

He took a COMEDY NIGHT, tossed a SERIOUS speech into it, was listened to politely for serveral minutes, got a couple of rounds of polite, sincere applause, and then, he kept going when he should have stopped. These people were there for FOLLIES, not for drama.


Best line? The guy who, after Kerry finished, said "I'm BARACK OBAMA AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE."

Thank you for posting that, though. It gives a much CLEARER view of what ACTUALLY happened.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:02 PM
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10. That's disgraceful. Even though it is payback, it is a less than proud moment.
I doubt it would have happened had not the incident at the JJ last night occurred, though.

Still doesn't make it right or nice. If they didn't want to hear him, they would have been better off just getting up and leaving.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. It's dated "March"
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. ouch! So much for THAT excuse. -eom
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
62. Turns out the OP is a bit er, not true.
Kerry basically went into a COMEDY FOLLIES put on by a local paper for LOCAL pols and city types, and took over with a boring-ass stump speech. He got two polite rounds of applause, but when he droned ON, a few folks yelled HILLARY HILLARY and that was that. He wrapped it up, and they got to get back to the purpose of the evening, which was LAMPOONING COMEDY.

No booooo boooo. Just "wrap it up, bigmouth, and stop hijacking our comedy night." The video is pretty clear. They gave him plenty of time, but he HAD to take more. He was tone deaf to the purpose of the evening (not a DEMOCRATIC EVENT, and not a CAMPAIGN EVENT, either) and the mood of the crowd.

So the comparison is just not apropos.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:05 PM
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18. Then it's even worse. NT
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. I think the point of the OP is dead on.
Emotions are running high and proper manners go right out the window.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:38 PM
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50. I just watched the video, though. No one actually BOOED Kerry.
A few people started yelling HILLARY HILLARY when he went on and on in his boring way.

It was a COMEDY event, a FOLLIES, and he was harshing the mellow with his ponderous pontificating.

He got a couple of rounds of polite applause. Instead of taking the hint and keeping it brief, he plowed on.

Don't believe me, look at the video -- link elsewhere in this thread.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #50
65. Yes, they did. The audio shows definite JEERING, and the writer said
there was BOOING. Stick to your first instinct: that their behavior was uncalled for.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. Well, I suppose there were a few nonsensical racial slurs in there too, if you say so.
Please. I watched and listened. I'd say he was treated damn well for someone who came in and interrupted the comedy, talked WAY too long as an UNSCHEDULED, SURPRISE guest, and wouldn't STFU. He got two rounds of "get OFF" applause, and he STILL wouldn't shut up.

You don't try to turn a boozy comedy night into Wonk-ville. Unless you're clueless.

Of course, everyone loves to hear John drone on between comedy sketches. It just makes life so worthwhile...

:eyes:

My first instinct was based on a few inferred UNTRUTHS on your part--that this was a POLITICAL event, and that this was a PARTY event.

Turns out, it was neither. It was run by the paper and people from EVERYWHERE and all stripes were there. You don't KNOW that the people yelling HILLARY were even HILLARY supporters, they could have been McCain supporters wanting to shut John the fuck up.

And what I heard wasn't booing. It was "Move on, John, so we can see the idiot in the SPIDERMAN costume."
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. "Untruths"? WTF? I said Clinton supporters booed Kerry in Rhode Island.
That is a fact. Oh, and they were Clinton supporters, no doubt. RI is a blue state, and heavily pro-Clinton.

My point holds. Clinton supporters can be every bit as rude as some Obama supporters in NC.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. No, it isn't a fact. Those could have been OBAMA supporters wanting John to GET OFF
so they could see their drunken buddy, the guy in the Spiderman costume, make an ass of himself.

They could have been Ron Paul fans...or RU PAUL fans. Your point does NOT hold. That was NOT a DEMOCRATIC PARTY event. It was a LOCAL, comedy event put on by the local paper. John crashed it, was treated civilly, stayed too long, and BURNED.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Okay, you are just being plain illogical now. I think everyone else gets it except you.
Supporters of different candidates get overzealous sometimes and get rude. It means nothing in the scheme of things.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. No, I'm not. It wasn't a DEMOCRATIC PARTY event. I've said that several times.
You, illogically, are refusing to "get" that.

This had nothing to do with "supporters of candidates." This had to do with John Kerry coming into a comedy laffapaloooza and being a boring, fucking wonk to a bunch of half drunk people who wanted to get their HAHA on.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #15
38. Yep. It was a Clinton state. I didn't put it up because I thought it was not a nice story.
But since everyone is acting like only Obama supporters have booed the other side, I felt it important to show otherwise.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:50 PM
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58. It was in February
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:02 PM
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12. If this is true, I'm embarassed and sorry Clinton supporters did this n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #12
51. Watch the tape. No one BOOED. He gave an overlong speech at a FOLLIES
He interrupted the COMEDY. When he started in on the "I LOVE BARACK" stuff, people listened politely and applauded politely. It's when he wouldn't shut up that a few people yelled HILLARY HILLARY.

That gave him his cue (he plainly didn't read the audience--you don't "wonk" people who are watching politicians in SPIDERMAN cotumes, fachrissakes) to get off the stage so they could continue with the FOLLIES and COMEDY purpose of the evening.

Watch the tape--no tomatoes were thrown.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:03 PM
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13. The writer seems so eager to be entertaining...
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:03 PM by Eric J in MN
...that I'm skeptical the description has much in common with what happened.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #13
49. It's true. Video shows it's true:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:03 PM
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14. Hmmm
Obamites interrupt Clinton speech, boo NC governor at NC Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5799825



"The "non-cult" strikes again..."

"Unbelievably rude."

"Only Obama has a cult of personality surrounding him."

"Only O supporters would stoop this low"

"Reminds me of bush supporters back in 2000. What a bunch of jerks."

"Childish."Those Obama supporters are a class act, aren't they?"

"It is just a strange coincidence only Obama supporters do these type of things."

"They whine about being called a cult yet they keep acting like a cult..."

"They are such an arrogant and nasty bunch."

"Infantile Obama follower tactics"

"This is why Obama cannot win... he has played dirty and his people are rude!"

"The Obamites have no ideas about manners."


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
37. If we are to be accurate, it is NOT equivalent. Still not an excuse, but it isn't the same.
The JJ Dinner was a forum for all candidates. All candidates were EXPECTED to show up and speak.

This was a LOCAL political event. Chelsea Clinton was a surprise guest, but all she did was mingle, take pictures--she did not speak. Kerry did FINE with his surprise appearance and speech.... up until he turned this generic "Follies" into a campaign stop for his candidate. I'd not be surprised if there were boos from other than HRC supporters, too.

That's not cool, to hijack an event like that. It wasn't for HIM to overtake the agenda.

Still, that doesn't make the crowd's behavior right--but Kerry went over the top trying to shift the focus at a local event and turn it into a rally for his choice. His behavior, taking it too far, was over the top, too. If he'd given his speech and ended it with "I hope you'll vote for my choice tomorrow" that might have been fine. But to launch into a laundry list, whistle stop? No. Not cool.

And most notably, Kerry was NOT ON THE BILL at that event, he wasn't expected to attend, and he wasn't anticipated to speak on behalf of his candidate at a local political yuck: Political Scene: Kerry makes surprise stop at the Follies

Pity they didn't have a band and the Sandman with the hook. That might have done it.


This was probably the evening's high point: It should be noted, however, that the attorney general’s spandex Spider-Man costume gets Political Scene’s vote for the night’s best-dressed award.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:05 PM
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19. Kerry is one "surrogate" I hope Obama keeps ten miles away from the microphones
should he secure the nomination.

He is a walking embarrassment.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. Glad that you are not one of Obama's advisor!
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #19
75. Why would you say such a thing?
"walking embarrassment"????
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JanErikFl Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:06 PM
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20. So when Obama fans interups Hillary its just OK, when Hillary fans do the same..its rude. n/A
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. You missed the point by a mile.
The other thread with the rude Obama fans is getting flamed as evidence that all Obama fans are rude zealots. But this thread shows that the rudeness is going both ways.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
55. Hillary was on the bill. Kerry was NOT. Hillary was at a political dinner.
Kerry dropped in UNANNOUNCED on a local political FOLLIES put on by the local paper.

NOT a Party event.

And I just watched the tape, and didn't hear booing. I heard a few people yell HILLARY HILLARY, after they listened to JOHN drone on, and on, and on, and after they gave him TWO rounds of polite applause. He didn't take the hint--OK, fine, enough. And for all we know, the HILLARY yellers could EASILY have been Republicans who wanted to see the mayor in his costume.

The idea was to get "Pontificating JOHN" off the stage--he was going on TOO LONG.

And dragging down a COMEDY evening. Tone deaf!!!!

It wasn't a "campaign" event. It wasn't a "party" event. It was a local pol event put on by the local paper.

And no one booed.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. They jeered so loudly he ended his speech. Don't parse it. They were RUDE. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #63
94. He ended his speech because he REALIZED he'd fucked up.
He forgot what the venue was, apparently.

Not a DEMOCRATIC PARTY event. Not a PARTISAN event.

A FOLLIES night of fun, for local celebrities, put on by the local paper.

He was given more than enough rope, and instead of using it to lassoo the crowd with humor and a QUICK pitch, he damn near hanged himself.

HILLARY HILLARY isn't BOOOOO BOOOO BOOO. He left quick, because he finally, after two rounds of polite (enough!!! Get OFF!!!) applause, he droned ON. Had he wrapped up after the second round of applause, and not launched forward with what was plainly his twenty-minute-plus, put every fucker to sleep, speech, he wouldn't have been corrected by the audience.

And like I said, the people yelling HILLARY could have been ANYONE....anyone interested in shutting the guy up.

I have watched the tape. HE was rude, he didn't read the room--and that, in a decades-wise politician, is a SIN.

Again, this was NOT a DEMOCRATIC PARTY function. This was a night of fun and hijinks, not politics and speeches.

And that, at the end of the day, is what separates this from the JJ Dinner, which WAS political, partisan and all about speeches.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. If you look up you'll see the point flying over your head.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. The point is that Hillary supporters were all finger-wagging over on another thread
about Obama supporters booing the NC gov during Clinton's Jeff-Jack dinner speech.

This OP cited an example where Clinton supporters disrupted a speech, so the point is...what's the point in the Clinton supporters firing up a new thread just to get sanctimonious about the other side's behavior?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. I only speak for myself, but no, it is not okay. It wasn't okay in RI,
and it wasn't okay in NC. But, given the passion of this primary, it is inevitable that it will happen from time to time.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:15 PM
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32. I have to agree with you. This is bad behavior regardless who is doing it.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:45 PM
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52. Fact: At a 'Saturday Night Live' spoof night, and Kerry gave a political speech for Obama
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:45 PM by splat
Wrong time, wrong place.

People were pissed that as the "Mystery Guest" at the end of the show, when he's supposed to make jokes, he gave a stump speech to journalists and a bipartisan political crowd at the fundraiser.

Read the whole story.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. He DID tell jokes, as described in the articles. Then he asked if he could get serious for a moment
They were rude.

But nice to hear that people who not an hour ago were trashing booing Obama supporters are now defending booing Hillary supporters.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #54
88. And that moment went on...and he got some 'shut up' applause, And he kept going....
and he got some MORE 'OK, fine, enough now, shut up' applause. And when his "moment" stretched to five frigging minutes, he was "corrected" for bringing partisan politics into a NON POLITICAL event. As he should have been.

What don't you get about this dynamic? It's OBVIOUS if you look at your own link that this is what is happening. He got treated well, and he ABUSED the politeness by droning ON and shilling for a candidate at an event that wasn't ABOUT Presidential politics.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
60. And I thought, all things considered, that they were damned polite.
They applauded him twice, when he didn't wrap it up, someone (could have been anyone) yelled HILLARY HILLARY to basically shut him up.

That's not booing--that's saying "Wrong place, wrong time." As you noted.

The TAPE is even more telling--no BOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOO...just a couple of folks saying HILLARY HILLARY after he droned ON, and ON, and ON.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:46 PM
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53. Senator Kerry handled them quite gracefully
He recognized them and went on with his closing. Good for him.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:56 PM
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64. Shame on you, Clinton supporters! Real klassy.
....like Hillary

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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #64
72. Gift from a supporter at a rally. It's a joke.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:05 PM
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68. I abhor anyone booing any speaker...but
Obama supporters were on there the other night regaling about Obama supporters booing Hillary at the JJ dinner. Now it's a disgusting thing to do! It really is no matter who's the speaker. This booing could get ugly and all Democrats and their supporters should take a vow or make a promise...at least to themselves to never to that to another candidate.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Agreed. Although I don't regret booing Kuccinich at Yearly Kos when he
said there was no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. That needed to be responded to.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #70
81. Weeeelllll That's tempting but still not right.
Who decides when the speaker is toooooo far off point. Better to just never do it to anyone for any reason.
I didn't know Kuccinish said that! That's terrible! No wonder he just faded into oblivion...always wondered.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #81
90. It was a boo made lovingly. :) Seriously, the YKos presidential debate
was a lot of fun. We were told we didn't have to restrain ourselves. We cheered everyone, threw out a few boos, but it was all in good fun. Everyone on that stage was treated warmly.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:01 PM
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93. I'm glad to hear that...had me worried.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #68
92. Watch the video.
This was not a political event. It was a comedy night put on by the local paper.

This was not a DEMOCRATIC PARTY event. Just hijinks by local celebrities.

He got two rounds of polite applause. Instead of taking the hint, he droned on, like Debbie Downer.

The HILLARY HILLARY (no booing, just a couple of folks chanting) was a way of saying "Step off, fool. Enough!"
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:35 PM
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84. Clinton thugs!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:37 PM
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86. But it's "funny" when somebody does it to Hillary, Throw out your back much twisting like that?
Edited on Sat May-03-08 05:38 PM by Hoof Hearted
:hurts:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:49 PM
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91. what ..it`s march third?
what the fuck happened...i thought it was may third...dam something got fucked up in the time continuum....
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. The event happened in FEB before Super Tuesday, too. And it wasn't a Dem Party event, either. NT
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. No, it was right before the RI primary, maybe a week. The point is
some Clinton supporters have behaved badly this season.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. It's in February, every year; RI primarey was a coincidence
And despite huge crowds for Obama at rallies and polls that looked skin tight, Clinton won R.I. by 18 points.

This was a flat moment at a high-spirited annual powwow of the journalists, the powerful and the lampooned that said more about Kerry's tin ear than anything else. The point of this event is to schmooze at the bar with friends, enemies and nobodies, watch the journalists' do SNL and laugh at it all.

Not to separate yourself with a canned stump speech from people who probably knew more about the candidates than Kerry did.

He disrespected them by going into robot mode.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:13 PM
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98. Booing is something a candidate EARNS... and it is an acceptable way to voice displeasure....


Kerry... however.... *ISN'T* a candidate.


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:17 PM
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99. They support a well-documented compulsive liar. Fuck her, and fuck them.
Assholes.

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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:26 PM
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100. You have convnced me that only violence can come from whoever your candidate is
Edited on Sat May-03-08 10:27 PM by splat
You can be more than an inarticulate denouncer.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:41 PM
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101. Beachmom
It's clear from this thread that some people are willing to make an excuse for Clinton supporters bad behavior. This is just typical of the nasty vitriol coming from people that support her. It will be interesting when this ends to see what all of these people do when they walk away empty handed.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:33 PM
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103. Beachmom, your own nasty vitriol here trumps a sponstaneous Gong Show moment
Edited on Sat May-03-08 11:34 PM by splat
Stop demonizing fellow Democrats.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:36 PM
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104. March 3 2008??
You know it's now May, right?
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