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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:46 PM Original message |
Hillary Clinton: 'I am convinced energy traders are driving up the cost of oil and gas right now' |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. everytime she goes off on this the prices jump higher, she needs to stop. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. her threat to obliterate Iran was surely helpful too. nt |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. exactly! Why isn't the media talking about her affect on prices lately?! |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Can't put anything past hillary... |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. So reduced production, inadequate refining, and weak dollar have nothing... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Economists have a known statistical bias. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. the oil companies have more than enough money to build refineries. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. sure they have the money |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. that's just code for relaxing regs that ensure safety, environmental protection and accountability |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #50 |
86. where did i say anything about alaska? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. that's still language used to undermine environmental and safety concerns in the name of expediency |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. WP: Energy Traders Avoid Scrutiny |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
68. congress is still controlled by the REPUGS--as a whole. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. dupe |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. Oil prices would be a great deal lower if not for the speculation. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You may as well stop |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Well, if nobody but McCain supports Clinton's idea, how good is it? n/t |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #53 |
76. A lot of the speculation is based on level of production and the potential for supply disruptions... |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. ""So here is what I propose: I want the oil companies to pay the federal gas tax this summer." |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Nothing we can do about their record profits. Nothing we can do to get immediate relief at the pump. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm convinced that little green men from Mars are infecting my cheese-steaks.... |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Welcome to the party, Princess Obvious. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The Obama campaign has been virtually silent on the issue of price gouging |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Exactly |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. You are willfully ignorant of Obama's plans. |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. but since I need the Exxon corporate donations I will do absolutely nothing. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Obama might say he doesn't take contributions from oil companies, but he took more money in March |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Why are you a liar? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. and |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. She KNEW IT in 2002 but stayed SILENT because she wanted Bush to stay in office till she ran in 2008 |
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Congressman Stupak has a bill in the senate called the Pump Act, why aren't |
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kevinmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. No SH*T Sherlock ...... n/t |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. not a word from Obama about this, just the criticism of Clinton's plan |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. He doesn't have a plan for "immediate relief" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. so we wait for 'peak oil' to peak? We wait for the electric car to drive demand down? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
83. where is her legislation? |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. When were they convinced? Close the Enron loophole !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. Enron picked a Clinton Appointee to run its Washington Office |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I don't see Hillary's name in there anywhere. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. I am completely convinced she's right about that... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. she has a comprehensive plan. it's responsible, activist, and progressive |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Absolutely great ideas, I support almost all of that... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
84. Then why hasn't she introduced this plan? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. It seems pretty plausible that big money investors chasing high returns |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Unquestionably true... |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. ty for the informative post |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. Painful to watch. She's dug herself in. No where to go but deeper. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. Just like the rest of her campaign: pure fantasy and lots of empty promises. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. sez you! |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. No, sez 150 world leading economists |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I remember when Bush had 100 or so economists supporting his initial tax cut scheme |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Not one economist has come out in favor of her plan. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. so the argument is that the WH, Congress, and the oil companies will resist it |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Yes - that makes it empty talk, lies just to get elected. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. he panders just the same with his $1000 tax credit. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. He'll have a better chance getting that passed during his presidency than she |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. plenty of proposals in this campaign from BOTH candidates which have an uphill climb |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. he was late in coming up with that plan. He has not learned from Hillary that people |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. LOL |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. nothing we can do to force the oil companies to spend the record profits on things they say we need |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. You're attitude is a surrender to Bush and his oil cronies and benefactors. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Why not both? |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So explain to me why gas prices wont increase to the tune of |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. As I said, I really don't care if they pass at this point |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #58 |
85. but she's not linking the two proposals |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
39. I agree with the market manipulation, but reject the rest of the sabre-rattling |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. Tax Holiday remains a big fucking gimmick. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
69. Obama saying it is gimmick is a phony gimmick by Obama |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Nope. At worst, it's saying the obvious, and abiding by what most... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. wow, its the 'so are you' form of neener neener. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
49. well duh....that`s common knowledge |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. It's all the consumers fault? That's not going to pass the smell test. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Yep, she is not totally wrong. There is some interesting stuff on the interwebz that |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. I absolutely agree with that point |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. kick |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
64. is the Pope German? nt |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
65. What is not right about the prices is thratenting oil naitons afects price stability. *sigh*. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
66. I believe the shitty dollar is driving up the oil prices |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. that is true also. Many factors involved. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
67. People are realizing Hillary will always fight for them and the call |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. But we don't want a President acting like she'll fight for us... when the result... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
70. REC |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
71. I actually agree that energy traders are to blame - so what's |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
74. That's true. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
75. Even if that was true, does Hillary want to stop free market trading? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
80. She's right on that -- I just wish The Clintons weren't so late to the issue |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
81. Hillary may want to outlaw energy trading, but she's wrong. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
82. $70 "average" savings assumes "average" driver gets 20 mg and drives 26,000 miles/year |
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Ian_rd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
88. Haha! "Obama wants you to pay that 30 bucks! I will fight for you to keep it!" |
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