USA Today/Gallup Poll: Flap over pastor hurts Obama-Clinton 51% -Obama 44%

Barack Obama's national standing has been significantly damaged by the controversy over his former pastor, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, raising questions for some voters about the Illinois senator's values, credibility and electability.
The erosion of support among Democrats and independents raises the stakes in Tuesday's Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which represent a chance for Obama to reassert his claim to a Democratic nomination that seems nearly in his grasp. A defeat in Indiana and a close finish in North Carolina, where he's favored, could fuel unease about his ability to win in November. Such results also could help propel Hillary Rodham Clinton's uphill campaign all the way to the Democratic convention in August.

In the USA TODAY survey, taken Thursday through Saturday, Clinton leads Obama among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents by 7 percentage points, the first time in three months she has been ahead. Two weeks ago, before the controversy over comments by Jeremiah Wright reignited, Obama led by 10 points.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-04-obama_N.htm

Still supporting Obama at this point is tantamount to aiding and abetting McCain.

Wow, you're quite fucking delusional, aren't you?

Since Obama will lose the GE if he is nominated. As for your insults, they are to be expected from his supporters, so I can't be moved to take offense. You can't even open your mouth without letting the insults fly at people with differing opinions anymore, a sure sign your ship is sinking. I can only ask, are you going to go down with it, or will you get in line behind the only candidate we have who can beat McCain while there's still time?

You cannot pretend otherwise. It also lacks NO basis in fact as neither of us know how viable Clinton OR Obama will be in the GE, but I think they both can win.

I agree with you! And the OP has the facts!

The unknown variables that will effect the election outcome in November are myriad, making any absolutist prediction utter nonsense. It's merely your opinion that Obama can't win, and one not rooted in facts. It is my opinion that Obama is more electable than Hillary. I can only ask: Are you going down with Hillary's ship or will you support the likely nominee who has a better chance?

In the meantime, I'll work to have that person be the one who has the best chances of beating McCain. And that ain't Obama, let me tell you.

one way or another, one of them will have the 2024 they need no later than the middle of June, and the loser will drop out and support the winner. Glad to hear you'll support Obama if, as is likely, he's the nominee.

think Hillary will lose the GE if she is nominated....both are just opinions, the truth is harder to ignore. Hillary is running like a rethug and you can't deny that!

The new CBS/NYT poll shows something quite different. And supporting either Hillary or Obama does not equate to aiding or abetting McCain. What does aid McCain is the prolonged primary. And that's no one's fault.

and not even Dean agrees with you on that, then it's Obama's fault at this point. If you want to call for him to drop out, then be my guest.

Quite wrong about Dean, who has been sounding the alarm about the damage being done by the prolonged primary for some time now. It's wrong to mischaracterize the guv. And of course, outside of simply stating with no rationale whatsoever that it's Obama's fault- you provide nothing. And that is no argument at all. And where on earth did you get the idea that I wanted to call on Obama to drop out? Thin air, evidently. I don't do stupid. And callling for either to drop out at this point is stupid. Feel free to pursue that if you so desire.

on the Daily Show a few days ago. That's also where he said Florida and Michigan will be seated.

the primary process has been good. Secondly, he's said all along that Michigan and Florida will be seated. It's clear they will be- but it won't make any difference. The nominee will be apparent before the convention, and the convention as usual will be a formality.

They'd get a mixed bag of opinions. I have a racist grandma, a libertarian dad, a hippie mom, a conservative grandpa, a farmer uncle, a democratic aunt, etc... They're ALL outspoken.

Regardless, I don't buy this poll. Obama is going to win tomorrow, and we MIGHT get to put this thing to bed as long as Hillary catches on to the fact that she can't win via the contests, and the party isn't going to GIVE it to her at the convention. Fuck, we'd all go broke trying to fund her GE campaign. She can't raise money.

country's budget. She'd be as big a disaster as bu$h.

has the pursestrings, isn't it.

My best friend is a full-on O'Reilly watching conservative. I'm surrounded by them at work, yet we're still close. I just don't share their opinion.

So, wanna give it another try now?

...McSame wouldn't be doing so hot either.

First they stab the man politically then marvel at the blood.

DISCOUNT the black voters, COUNT the black pastors!

COUNT the white voters, DISCOUNT the white pastors


and so it goes...

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Tommorow , Obama puts the final two nails in hillary's political coffin.

n/t

Feh.

not that the lamestream media would ever do THAT! :sarcasm:

Hillary NEOCON Clinton is an abomination

girlfriend again. The good news for the Clinton campaign is, if denied the Democratic nomination, she can immediately switch to the Republican race and not miss a beat.

Imagine that!

They decide what people think for them.

Both with wildly different results.

Gallup's poll that they do for themselves show a 49-45 Obama edge. That's an eleven point difference from the poll they did for USA-Today...That happened before...The folks at Gallup said they had no rational explanation...

Forget daily tracking, Times/CBS, delegate math...the "horse race" is good for business.

It's much more friendly to Obama in that they have him up 11 over McCain while down in Gallup and Rasmussen, but both those polls have been moving in Obama's favor the past couple days.

The nomination belongs to Obama.

Self professed educated folks should be able to discuss the results of a poll without hurling random insults.

is that they are afraid their candidate will not win. Should they have total confidence that Obama had 'closed the deal' on this, they would be attempting to heal the great chasm they've created with their non-stop bashing and hate-Hillary pomp - - for this will truly need to be done should anyone hope a democrat will win in the GE.

The continuation of their dirty insulting based on zero facts is a significant thermometer of their lack of confidence. Therefore, expect the level of insults, and the instantaneous trashing of any thread positive for Hillary to dramatically increase today.

OR NOT! I just remembered that we're not having a national primary tomorrow. Looks like the Clinton machine is about to be shut down anytime now.

going on it an engineered campaign to have an engineered nominee.

Exactly from the SAME text you quote:



BTW, consulting the USA TODAY poll results I CANNOT find ANY 51-44 result!!!
Check yourself: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-04-polltable_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

the doggie ain't dropping its bone.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/5/15812/47818

I couldn't agree more with comment #18 by diplomatic:

Obama's flaws have been exposed and they are close to fatal for general election chances regardless of how the rest of the nomination process plays out. The Republicans probably have the entire attack plan all set to go and they will enjoy it.

But then feel better about myself when I see the attack comes from someone like you...

Kisses,

DSB

This is not an ad hominem attack. But I am questioning your fairness. You cherry picked one poll that is favorable to your candidate while ignoring other polls that are not favorable to your candidate. That's just plain wrong.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/04/opinion/polls/main4069259.shtml

I think it is pretty obvious why.

This is yesterday's Gallup. It looks like he rebounded nicely - and I expect a even higher number today.

bothered me. I believe in the Constitution and the separation clause. Seems he does not. His association with Wright is not a new thing bringing in religion to his agenda as a Senator representing a democracy.

I don't need a poll to tell me it is a problem for him.

judgment.

That, or something else is.

I don't care if you stay home in November either. A patethic "Hillbot" who only knows talking points and nothing else.

Whatever you do, please don't hold your breath.

A poll?????

No thanks, we did that in 2004 and got shafted.

These are just polls...Everybody needs to relax...

When someone cites a poll favorable to Obama I just stay out of it...

And that really pisses me off.

"corporate media trying to tell us who our candidate should be?"

Every poll I have seen in the past two days has Obama way ahead, except for that crazy right wing poll I saw somewhere on here earlier today. My only concern with this poll is that it goes against what all the others show....Obama running away with the whole thing. I would be curious as to the sample size and make up of this poll.

Ridiculous!

What this country needs the very most today is a strong and decisive leader - one that will immediately spearhead turning around of all the issues vital to most Americans. Obama does not have what this takes. Hillary does.

Doesn't matter, it's still over.

The four percentage point advantage for Obama is not statistically significant in the Gallop daily tracking poll.

nothing will be known until the last vote is counted

n/t

Matter of fact he is completely ignoring this poll.

Gee, I wonder why?

I can't believe how exaggerated yesterday's NYT poll was. They should be ashamed.