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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:59 AM
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email from what I thought was a fairly opened minded individual


Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Replacement for Laura Bush ------? I hope not



In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on “crime and hatred”. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist”. The 1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, “If those 'Whites at Princeton ' really saw Michelle as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that impression”.

Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms “separationist” and “integrationist” when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a “separationist” view of race.

“By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”


Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her 'further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.'

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.


Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:


“There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. “


What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources --- if she’s first lady 'that will elevate black over white in America' ?


The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.


“Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”
The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.


Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”


Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.


Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see 'Americans'. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another. This in spite of living in a 1.6 million dollar mansion and personally earning a six figure income -- not to mention that her husband, Barack, also is earning in excess of six figures annually!
PS: Who paid for her scholarships to Princeton and later to Harvard Law School?
Primarily By Tax Payer Financed Affirmative Action Programs. Her Princeton thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.


This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.


Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. But it shouldn’t.




Has anyone stopped to think what kind of 'changes' he will offer ; really?

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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:01 PM
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1. old news, no need to repeat
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:13 PM
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39. old news to you but I just got this
thanks for the pointless input
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:01 PM
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2. Michelle Obama wrote that a long time ago
I'm not an Obama supporter, but I will tell you, that I would not like my college papers (and this may have been written for an assignment) to be suddenly dissected by the world.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:45 PM
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11. Same Here
In college, I was a fairly strong conservative. I got over it. I changed, and not just my politics. Thirty-four year old NeedleCast is a far different person than 20 year old NeedleCast.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:57 PM
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21. Hear hear.
I was trying to make this point the other day. What I felt 10 years ago is not what I feel today, nor what I will likely think 10 years from now.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:51 PM
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do you see anything that indicates her opinon has changed... look at the church she picked?
it seems to be a theme...


I am not saying it as fact, but everything seemingly points to that direction....


the church, the first time i have been proud, the encouragement not to enter corp america/go to college but to work in the community, etc etc etc....


there are lots of examples to show that she still believes this... I would love to see some examples that she doesnt (not her husband, HER)
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:54 PM
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16. Wow
Now we defend the right wings spam.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:59 PM
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23. it is an honest question... I am not making a good/bad judgement. What points to her having a
Edited on Mon May-05-08 12:59 PM by Texas Hill Country
different view now?

seriously, I really would like to know.

no sarcasm at all. just a request for info.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:03 PM
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28. You don't know what her views were then.
All you have is this bigoted email that cherry-picked phrases out of a student paper.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:09 PM
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30. AND ......
there's nothing to suggest that words in the paper were her views to begin with. I had to write several papers that I didn't agree with, but you play the game by the professor's rules.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:11 PM
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31. Exactly. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:55 PM
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17. The church she picked supports the black community.
What is your problem with that, exactly?

And you have no idea what you're reading. Michele was critiquing a theory, not proposing one.

Geezus.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:55 PM
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18. And look at the husband Hillary picked. He's still hanging around too.
Do you really want to start a war of the spouses?

'Cuz you are going to need more than hip waders when you open up those floodgates.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:58 PM
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22. Well we were a nation founded on crime and hatred
Women were lower class, blacks werent even a class. We founded this nation on the destruction of the native Americans.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:00 PM
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24. that does not answer my question even remotely.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:01 PM
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26. Your question is offensive in itself, on the same model as the Wright flap.
First, you use innuendo to imply *Michele* is a racist and then, you ask people to disprove your ugly implications.

Gross.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:02 PM
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3. As much as I dislike Michelle, I gotta give her a pass for what she said and did in college...
...it's a time to explore start developing ideals and beliefs, not a time when they are finalized. The only real problem I have with her thesis was how badly written it was.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:05 PM
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4. She was a kid ... over 20 years ago
I teach at the college level and see and read all kinds of things from students - do people really want to make an issue of this? I think it is pretty stupid and shallow to make an issue of this.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:05 PM
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5. um, why?
either tell your "friend" the truth, delete, or be rude and tell them to piss off. The choice is yours!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:06 PM
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:00 PM
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25. thats not racist or anything?
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:08 PM
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7. I looked at the emails subject heading ...
"Replacement for Laura Bush ... I hope not." Are you sure your firend is open minded?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:41 PM
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10. Did the friend pay attention when it came out that Laura Bush, stone cold sober
and on a bright Texas night, killed her boyfriend at an intersection where the line of sight was clear and she ran the stop sign and rammed his car?
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:12 PM
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38. he was when I served in the navy with him
but that was during the 80's
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:08 PM
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8. ask him/her what this has to do with the the price of rice in costco?
that's why my wife (when i get one) could never run for office:

i wrote some pretty heady stuff about manifest destiny when i was in college; i'd hate for it to be used against her
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:31 PM
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9. Can Cindy "Facelift" McCain even write her own name??????
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:29 PM
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41. no, she just steals recipes from the food network
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:50 PM
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12. God forbid we get a first lady who realizes
that racism is alive and well in America and is angry about it. I believe the word your "open-minded individual" really wanted to use was "uppity".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:51 PM
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13. Integration FAILED but MICHELE has a chip on HER shoulder?
lol

Clearly, Obama is planning to enslave the white race. I'd be scared, myself. :scared:
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:52 PM
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14. In college, I was a fundamentalist Christian.
People change.
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:16 PM
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36. In the six grade, I spoke tongues at church every Sunday...now I worship The Dude
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:52 PM
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15. Do you REALLY want to go there w/the spouses? It will take MONTHS w/Bill.
And I am certainly not talking about any of the papers he wrote for school.

Geez. How desperate.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:56 PM
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19. Do they want to go there for Cindy
She was almost put in Jail for stealing prescription drugs.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:56 PM
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20. Yeah, she has a boatload of trouble, but shhhh - we're saving that for the General!!! -eom
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:02 PM
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27. So true!
Especially his support of the Communists way back when. Bill Clinton would not get a pass. He's done far worse such as receiving perverse amounts of money from foreign leaders and business associates investing in uranium and God knows what else.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:16 PM
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40. I know but I always get great material from DU to
give a counterpoint....especially as he usually forwards this to many of his like minded friends:)
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:07 PM
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29. Is that any different than saying we need to fight for women?
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:14 PM
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32. People neglect to put her thesis in proper perspective
It was the 80s. The Cosby show was just now coming out introducing white people
to some concepts that were new to many white folks. Our desegregated culture was still
in transition.

Michelle documented real feelings and experiences. I had friends who went through
similar experiences in the 80s and I was there with them. It ain't easy. Give her a damned break.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:21 PM
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33. So then, this email is factual? That's the impression I get from the posted comments.
I hadn't seen this before now.

Fire, meet fuel.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:24 PM
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34. Oooh, it's the scary black people!
Elect them and they'll punish us for hundreds of years of mistreatment.

I never thought I would see such blatant racism allowed to stand on DU.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:17 PM
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35. "reverse racism" is bullshit
The entire essay is founded on the concept of "reverse racism" and plays on white fears that any time Blacks get near power, they are seeking to "reverse" things somehow to the detriment of whites.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:30 PM
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37. Holy crap! Didn't she get the memo?
We all know that racism ended in the sixties. How DARE she imply that it existed after then. It'll damage all the progress we've made since then if we acknowledge that we still live in a violently racist society!

:sarcasm: <--I can't believe I need to use this.

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