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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:17 PM
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Why is it okay to disenfranchise 48 states' voters?
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:31 PM by Bonobo
But it is unthinkable to disenfranchise MI and FL?

I just don't get it?

Can someone explain please?

:wtf:

On edit: Let me explain. It seems to be Hillary's only option to convince Super Delegates to vote AGAINST the Dem who got the most delegate votes. This would be going against the will of the voters in 48 states, thus "disenfranchising" them. Is that more clear?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:17 PM
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1. Because the other 48 states don't count.
:rofl:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:20 PM
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6. There you go...
I think that count is about right.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:35 PM
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10. Bah. You saw the thread before I did. Hrmph.
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DMorgan Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:49 PM
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16. Nothing counts in America except Hillary and Bill and their
blind and tone deaf supporters, who insist Hillary has a "right" to win.

John McCain will LOVE to use that against Hillary in the fall.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:17 PM
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2. and how are the other 48 states getting disenfranchised?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:19 PM
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5. They followed the rules, stuck to the schedule.
Now, if it all lays at the feet of two states that had sham Primaries, they gain more weight and disenfranchise all the others.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:18 PM
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3. who's doing this?
when do the other 48 states (plus Guam, Puerto Rico and Democrats Abroad) not count?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:18 PM
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4. Which 48 states are you thinking of... you mean the ones that voted by the rules?
You know that this is a forum in which you communicate with other people, right? If you want feedback, you have to explain what you're thinking.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:22 PM
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7. I edited. Thanks. But I have to run out the door, so only a brief explanation. nt
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:30 PM
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8. There is no scenario which disenfranchises the other 48 states
their votes are counted toward the primary results, therefore they are not disenfranchised
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:34 PM
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9. Is this the latest talking point coming out of Obama HQ?
Is Hope and Change Headquarters sending out memos elaborating on this talking point? It couldn't be a more dishonest intepretation of the situation...
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:48 PM
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15. I've been saying this for 2 months
The votes of the honest, play by the rules, voters in the other 48 states should not be corrupted or diluted just because assholes from MI and FL walked into the polling places fully informed in advance that...

THEIR VOTES WOULD NOT COUNT.

Many people in MI and FL did not vote at all, because they knew the rules and penalty for trying to break them.

Rule breakers should not be rewarded in any way, shape, or form. It's all so simple. This reminds me of elementary school. The rule breaking bullies whining on and on and on about having to sit in "time-out." Grow up.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:39 PM
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11. What? This is news....
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:43 PM by PeterU
48 states are being disenfranchised? How????

Please tell me.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:42 PM
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12. Public school fails to teach logic. :)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:46 PM
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13. Thanks for the clarification. But I think it's wrong to say 48 states' voters endorsed Obama
I'm supporting Obama now, but I can't deny it's a close race. It's more accurate to say we have two candidates with widespread appeal. One has a thin tactical advantage in the delegate count and the other is fighting like hell to overcome that advantage.

No one disenfranchised the voters of Michigan & Florida except their own leaders. I wish they could work out a compromise to allow a fair vote to go thru. But I can't see why we can ignore how they ignored the rules.
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:47 PM
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14. *REPLY*
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Austinitis/7">Voters across the country are already massively disenfranchised by pledged-delegate system Obama is trying to force down our throats.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:57 PM
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20. Awesome reply
Reading that might make me think Obama is trying to force the pledged delegate system down your throat. Is it his plan? Did Obama create the pledged delegates system?

Move those goalposts!


The "tools" are winning.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:50 PM
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17. Because the disenfranchise argument is a cover for their hypocrisy.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:50 PM by Forkboy
They don't care about those people, and wouldn't even talk about it were it Hillary in the lead.

And to be fair, I suspect both camps would reverse their arguments were the roles reversed.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:51 PM
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18. In normal years, all states after Super Tuesday are "disenfranchised".
In VA, we're used to just sucking up whatever candidate comes out of Super Tuesday. We don't have a real say, but we don't whine or cry about it.

So no tears for MI & FL because they broke the rules, were told they'd be punished if they broke the rules, then did it anyway.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:51 PM
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19. Only people who vote for Clintons and Bushes count
Everyone else is subhuman.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:57 PM
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21. Well, the rules are there are no rules for superdelegates...they
can vote any way they can.
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