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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:44 PM
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Warning! - McCain would nominate Supreme Court justices like Scalia & Alito!!
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:46 PM by Breeze54
McCain's SCOTUS Model, Scalia, on Torture and "Cruel and Unusual Punishment"

http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/04/mccains_scouts.php

"John McCain says that, if elected president, he would nominate Supreme Court justices
in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito."


On the issue of appointments to the Supreme Court, McCain mentioned that Sam Brownback would play an advisory role in helping decide who he should nominate for the Supreme Court. As models of who he would select, John McCain pointed to Justices Samuel Alito and Antonin Scalia.


In an appearance on CBS' 60 Minutes, Justice Scalia says that torture does not violate "cruel and unusual punishment."

:grr:

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72vgAEX66M

Think Progress notes:

Scalia’s parsing of the 8th Amendment blindly ignores reports showing that the abuse at Abu Ghraib was about humiliation and punishment, not information-gathering. In 2004, the Washington Post reported MPs involved in the abuse “said detainees were beaten and sexually humiliated as punishment or for fun.” A recent New Yorker profile of one of the soldiers there confirmed that “mostly what interrogators wanted when they asked for ’special treatment’ was punishment: take away his mattress, keep him awake, take away his clothes.”


Earlier this year, John McCain voted against a ban on waterboarding.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/


Your vote WILL make a difference!!! Please vote!!!

:cry:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:54 PM
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1. Yeah, and the Dems will let him!!!
Seriously, if McLame got in, do you think the Dems would even try to stop such appointments? my money's on no.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:56 PM
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3. My money's on yes.
There will be at least another 3 dem Senators next year. Amazing how things happen when there's a real majority. He'd never get a Scalia or Thomas confirmed.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:59 PM
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4. How big of a majority did they Dems have when Thomas was confirmed?
Seriously, I don't know, but it was probably a pretty good margin...and still they caved. Alito, in the Dems defense, went in under the radar, as no one knew how bad he was at the time.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:59 PM
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11. How Are We Going to Get 3 New Democratic Senators if We LOSE in November?
Lieberman will switch to the Repiggies, of course, and that throws the Senate to the Repigs.
You can't expect to pick up anything in the Senate if we get trounced at the top of the ticket.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:15 PM
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7. Abso-fucking-lutely!!
Yes, yes, yes!! Again, in case you misunderstood my reply...

YES!! The Dems WOULD stop a RW appointment!!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:56 PM
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2. Who will Obama and Hillary say they will nominate for the SCOTUS?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:11 PM
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6. I don't think they've said but .... "It's The SCOTUS, Stupid!"
It's The SCOTUS, Stupid!

By Martin Lewis

Posted September 25, 2007 | 10:25 AM (EST)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/note-to-liberal-hillaryb_b_65770.html

1) I don't know who the Democratic Presidential candidate next year is going to be.

2) I don't know yet who I personally want it to be. I'm still considering. But my view really doesn't matter for the purpose of this column.

3) I DO know that I will support whoever the Democratic candidate is. If it's Dennis Kucinich or Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama or John Edwards. Or any of the other contenders. Over a Republican? There is NO debate. Nor should there be.

4) I do know that practically the only thing that can defeat the Democrats next year will be the selfish, self-destructive attitude of idealists on the left who are threatening sabotage if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic candidate.

5) I have heard all the arguments and self-righteous (self-lefteous?) diatribes against Hillary on any number of topics. Corporatist... DLC... Panderer... all of that. And people who have said that there would be "no difference" between Hillary and any Republican candidate.

6) Here's the thing. Even if all those accusations against Hillary ARE true (and this post is NOT the place to debate the merits of those arguments) - that would STILL not make a difference to my intent to support her if she is the candidate.

7) And it shouldn't make a difference to any other voters who are Democrats, left-leaning, liberal, progressive or independent. For one overwhelming reason. That trumps any disappointments about votes in 2002, health-care details, triangualation, corporate ties, Iraq policy, etc etc

8) IT'S THE SCOTUS, STUPID!

The Supreme Court Of The United States.

9) Starting January 2009 there will be a four-year period where SIX of the Supreme Court members will be in their 70s, 80s and 90s.

10) FOUR of those six are dependable guardians of our rights. And the fifth is a swing voter.

11) The two oldest Supreme Court Justices will be 92 and 79 respectively by the end of the next Presidential term. And those two are John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

12) If you want to know why you MUST support WHOEVER the Democratic candidate is - then just study the actuarial tables on life expectancy.

13) The simple fact is that there is a very high probability that the next president may appoint at least two new Supreme Court Justices. And probably more. And the laws of statistics say that the first two justices to be replaced will be two of the most dependable votes for decency.

14) If you seriously believe that it makes no difference in how this nation is governed over the next 30 years if those two justices are conservative or liberal - then there is no hope for your soul or sanity.

15) If you seriously believe that in regard to the appointment of Supreme Court Justices - that it makes no difference between Hillary Clinton on the one hand - and Rudolph Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, John McCain or even Newt Gingrich on the other hand - then you are seriously beyond redemption.

16) It doesn't matter WHAT you may dislike about Hillary Clinton - or whoever the Democratic candidate is. If you have any regard for the future of this nation - you will remember this.

It's the SCOTUS, stupid.

'nuff said. Case over. Dismissed.

FURTHER (very sobering) READING:

Justices of the Supreme Court Of The United States
in order of age seniority


John Paul Stevens
Born: April 20, 1920
Current age: 87
Age on January 20, 2009: 88
Age by January 20, 2013: 92

Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Born: March 15, 1933
Current age: 74
Age on January 20, 2009: 75
Age by January 20, 2013: 79

Antonin Scalia
Born: March 11, 1936
Current age: 71
Age on January 20, 2009: 72
Age by January 20, 2013: 76

Anthony Kennedy
Born: July 23, 1936
Current age: 71
Age on January 20, 2009: 72
Age by January 20, 2013: 76

Stephen Breyer
Born: August 15, 1938
Current age: 69
Age on January 20, 2009: 70
Age by January 20, 2013: 74

David Souter
Born: September 17, 1939
Current age: 67
Age on January 20, 2009: 68
Age by January 20, 2013: 72

Clarence Thomas
Born: June 23, 1948
Current age: 59
Age on January 20, 2009: 60
Age by January 20, 2013: 64

Samuel Alito
Born: April 1, 1950
Current age: 57
Age on January 20, 2009: 58
Age by January 20, 2013: 62

John Roberts
Born: January 27, 1955
Current age: 52
Age on January 20, 2009: 53
Age by January 20, 2013: 57
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:41 PM
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10. Hillary said that she'll nominate judges consistent with her views.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 05:41 PM by Maddy McCall
She's pro-choice. That's what matters most to me, as I see Roe v. Wade slowly slipping away.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:59 PM
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5. Who cares? We're here to beat up on Dems! Dude, didn't you get the memo?
Hillary is Satan. Barack is a cult leader. Get with the program. If you're not here to shit on a Democrat, you're in the wrong forum.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:16 PM
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8. Amen!
The Hell with Unity!

It's my candidate or Else!

Three more Right-Wing Justices or Bust!


"Democratic" Underground needs an enema.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:40 PM
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9. Agreed!
Isn't that called the "Scorched Earth" policy? :shrug:

All or nothing? Some DUers are saying that... :puke:

That's a pretty dimwitted, uneducated, view of things, imho.

No more Right-Wing Justices or else!! :grr:





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