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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:29 PM
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Clinton's Superdelegate Hunter
Not too long ago here we discussed that the Clinton campaign was actually employing ten people just to keep the superdelegates from defecting. Harold Ickes is in charge of that effort.

Ickes has 10 staffers directly working to forestall superdelegate defection.

Aides said time was actually in Mr. Obama’s favor. The longer he demonstrates he can withstand the heat of a national campaign, they say, the more willing party leaders seem to be to embrace him. “What we’re seeing now is a trickle of people making that final decision to publicly commit,” says Jeffrey Berman, Mr. Obama’s chief delegate tracker.

His counterpart for Mrs. Clinton, Harold Ickes, directs 10 staffers working full time to forestall further defections. Mr. Ickes says the campaign can preserve a large enough pool of holdouts for her to rally before the Denver convention.

“Based on what we’re seeing,” Mr. Ickes said, “most of them are waiting and watching and holding their powder.”


Here is more about Harold Ickes. From Time Magazine:

Harold Ickes, Clinton's Superdelegate Hunter



Harold Ickes must win over party officials to keep Clinton in the race. Michael Edwards for TIME

Harold M. Ickes was midway through a typical profanity-laced cell-phone call on the inch-by-inch battle for the Democratic presidential nomination recently, when he peered over his glasses and demanded, "This call is off the record, O.K.?"

Would anyone want to pick a fight with Ickes, the famously ill-tempered bad boy of the Democratic Party who once bit a rival political operative on the leg?

Who once got so mad at having to remove his shoes at an airport security line that he marched off to his plane, yelling "Keep them!" over his shoulder, and flew home in his socks?
Who sometimes answers reporters' phone calls with a curt "I'm sorry, Mr. Ickes isn't here now," and then simply hangs up?


More about Ickes' role in the campaign.

Ickes isn't fazed by those who accuse him of damaging the party by trying to wrest the nomination away from the first viable African-American contender. "Everyone says, 'You can't take this away from a strong black candidate,'" Ickes says. "Well, how about the first woman candidate of consequence? That's been almost swept under the rug while people have been mesmerized by Obama. Yes, he's a very strong candidate. But so is Hillary. She's a pretty big deal too."


And guess who helped pass the party rule in 1988 that gave out the delegates from each state on a proportional basis? Yes, indeed, Ickes himself.

In 1988 Ickes was at it again, negotiating a change in party rules that would not be tested until 2008. In return for Jackson's support at the convention that summer, Michael Dukakis endorsed a complex plan that awarded delegates based on a candidate's proportion of the vote in every state. By doing away with winner-take-all primaries, the new rules prevented a front runner from wrapping up the nomination with a handful of wins in big, delegate-rich states. Underdog candidates could stay alive through the primaries, and perhaps even win the nomination, by collecting delegates in every contest, whether they won it or not. It would be two decades before an underdog turned front runner named Barack Obama would take full advantage of those rules. If Clinton's victories in big states like New York, California, Pennsylvania and Ohio had been winner-take-all, she would be the nominee today. Of course, if superdelegates didn't exist, Obama's delegate lead would be foolproof. Such are the ironic consequences of the rules Ickes helped write.


How much irony is that. Ickes rules enabled an underdog to actually come along and take the lead in delegates.



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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:36 PM
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1. And her other campaign manager crafted the rules that took away FL and MI votes
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:36 PM by Boz
And he even voted to strip them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:49 PM
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3. If I acted like that with airport security, I would be arrested most likely
leaving his shoes and flying barefoot?

Yes, and Ickes voted for the rules, and voted to strip the delegates.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/671358.aspx

"On Florida and Michigan, the campaign again said voters in those states should not be “disenfranchised” and that the states were important to the Democratic Party's fortunes. Ickes also said Clinton didn't vote on the DNC rules.

But Ickes did. And he voted in August to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates as a sitting member of the Rules and Bylaws Commission.

“There’s been no change,” Ickes said, adding that he was then acting as a member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee “not acting as an agent of Sen. Clinton. We had promulgated rules -- if Florida and Michigan violated those rules” they’d be stripped of their delegates. “We stripped them of all their delegates in order to prevent campaigns to campaign in those states.”

In fact, however, that was not why Florida and Michigan were stripped of their delegates. They were stripped of their delegates because they violated party rules by moving up their contest dates before Feb. 5"

And McAuliffe appointed the committee that made the rules. :shrug:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:47 PM
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2. Those articles are really interesting!
But what jumped out at me is, that he learned from the Wall Street Journal that he'd been fired by Bill Clinton. Another example of the Clintons tossing away who is not needed once they have served their purpose.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:27 AM
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4. And now he is totally loyal again.
In spite of it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:45 AM
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13. Well, he's either a far better person than I
which is entirely possible, or they're paying him enough money to make it worth his while.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:31 AM
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5. Hey Harold keep up the good work
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 AM
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6. That chart says it all.
I bet the SDs just love being yelled at and threatened. :hi:
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:24 AM
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7. He shouldn't wear those tight jeans. They accentuate his big gut and enormous head.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:21 AM
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16. Haha...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:21 AM
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17. He should lose the purple shirt also. Calls attention to the gut.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:35 PM
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31. That's for sure.
People look better when they just look their age, and don't try to be too cool.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:16 AM
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8. Ouch that is likely pulling time and money from her Campaign.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:22 AM
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9. Holding their powder?
LOL!

I hope they're keeping their water dry, too. :)
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:53 AM
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10. I just got an email from an Obama superdelegate
She has been getting tons of emails from people urging her to switch to Clinton. Many are forwarded from one website and many are pretty nasty. A lot say they'll vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

She told me they are making her more committed than before.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:02 AM
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11. Ive been calling that
Their "Fuck or Walk" option.. Like its Prom Night, and if I don't get what I want...

Sickos.. Thanks for the post and the SD's Integrity :)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:46 AM
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14. Good for her!
I think that's how I'd react to that kind of pressure, too.

If you know her, tell her we're in her corner, and thanks!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:55 AM
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21. Thanks for sharing that. People don't like being bullied.
:hi:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:03 AM
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12. From what I hear, he is not all that well-liked
and apparently is not doing a very good job.. she's has not gotten all that many SDs..and if they liked her, they would have flocked to her early-on..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:19 AM
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15. I agree.
Didn't she start out with a big number of SDs geared to make her look inevitable? Was it 200 or so?

Can't remember.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:28 AM
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18. Another good thing that comes
from this campaign. All these overpaid "consultants" are proving they're not immortal. It irks me to no end when people talk about any of them like they are all powerful because they can get angry and curse a lot, especially Karl Rove like he's some omnipotent magician and can do whatever he wants with our politics. It's giving them way too much credit. Harold, this is 2008, not 1992, people have the internet, and guess what, they're paying attention. So sorry to rain on your parade. :P
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:46 PM
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30. The Gravy Train consultants....they are losing and they are ticked off.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:30 AM
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19. That was a good article.
I just read it in the print edition on Sunday night.
He's quite the interesting fella.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:31 AM
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32. Yes, he is. I wonder how the hunting is going today?
:shrug:

He is interesting.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:40 AM
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20. I thought I had read...
that Geraldine Ferraro was another one to help re-write the primary rules. Have you seen that also?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:43 AM
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22. She did...something to do with superdelegates.
Or as they call them in the article, uncommitted delegates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080501/cm_huffpost/099600

"Critics warned that this new system would create a class of unaccountable elites -- thus the term superdelegates which was introduced with derision. The proposal seemed like a throwback to the older era of smoke-filled convention halls that the 1970s reforms had intended to eliminate. In the end, Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro brokered a deal that lowered the number of uncommitted delegates to 14 percent. The delegates included members of Congress as well as state and local party officials. This group was expanded over the years to include members of the Democratic National Committee, Governors, distinguished party leaders and a few others. The percentage of uncommitted delegates has increased to about twenty percent."


It's odd to me that she was thinking so correctly then, but showed such awful behavior toward Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353696,00.html


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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:59 AM
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23. Did they stick her racist ass in the closet,
or have I just been blessed not running into her comments?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:53 PM
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25. Well, this is from May 1
Unbelievable...she says Obama inoculated himself for the general. :eyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353696,00.html

"KELLY: All right. So, that is the first time we've heard her come out with such strong language about Reverend Wright — outrageous, offensive. Is it any accident of that she does it one day after Barack Obama uses similar language?

FERRARO: Let me just — she was push in that position, because if she opens her mouth about Reverend Wright, there's going to be some charge coming at the Obama campaign that she's racist. I mean, that's what's been going on. I have to tell you something, and, you know, I kind of tend to look at these things a little bit differently than most. I happen to think that this is in some ways, an inoculation that Obama has given himself for the general election.

KELLY: Really?

FERRARO: Well, and let me tell you why I feel that way. I don't know who started it, but I watched television for the last couple of days and watched all the media at reminiscing whatever made the Reverend Wright do this? Well, can anybody explain that what made him wait three months after this thing started to turn around and all of a sudden have the most coordinated way of dealing with the press pushing him out and the next day the most coordinated campaign by Axelrod coming up and explaining about this loony uncle or crazy uncle or whatever he said about him?"

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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:38 PM
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27. Ha! Yeah Geri,
Rev Wright is an evil plot to make Obama President! :rofl:
Criminey, that stupidity just makes my day!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:08 PM
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29. That was an odd comment.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:27 PM
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24. He also has a huge private database.
I have often wondered if that database has harmed DNC fundraising in many ways. Hillary is using it mostly, while Obama is mostly using the DNC database and replenishing it.

From 2006...

Angry Data Nerds Rain on Democratic Parade

I have always thought it was hurting the DNC by concentrating on the big donors.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:16 PM
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26. Not only harming the DNC but state parties
Edited on Tue May-06-08 01:17 PM by MaineDem
The Obama campaign bought voter lists from the state parties. In many states the Clinton campaign didn't and used the Ickes' lists. At a major financial loss to the parties.

Edited for spelling.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:56 PM
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28. I hope someday he will be able or willing to speak out about
how Florida from the beginning cut into the DNC fundraising. I know what went on, I got the emails from the leaders. It was such a shock to see them. Our county chair sent one out putting Dean down as leader and implying to stop donations.

Then the large donors of Hillary going on the attack against him in the media.

He has had to keep silent, but by God I hope someday he just speaks out on it.

Florida has not been a team player at all. The other states mean nothing, the party itself means nothing.

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:35 AM
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33. Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm huntin dewagates
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