It's $28 "in total" saved for the entire 90 Days, aka 3 Months- Don't be HILLwinked!

It is not $30.00 per month.

Those with the sob story on what $30.00 per month in food means to folks,
time for a rewrite! It is what $9.33 per month in food means to folks.

If you believe it is $30.00 per month,
Post your math worksheet here.

That's to be expected by now.

Next year? Because Der Chimperor sure as shit ain't gonna sign 'em. That's assuming they get past the Repuke filibusters.

In the meantime, assuming some type of un-replaced tax cut was passed, how many highway deaths are you willing to accept from un-maintained roads? How many lay-offs of highway workers would be tolerable to you?

And what will you say when the oil cos. go ahead and raise the price of gas up to what it was before, because they know you will pay it?

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Dateline May 6, 2008: Today in the blogosphere, hillbots have finally adopted Bush era reasoning to support bad policy. After days of Senator Clinton sucking up to "Joe Lunchbox" and presenting her "gas tax holiday" as a symbol of her deep understanding of the concerns of the little people, we now learn that it is about a desperate hope to re-re-re-re-re-re introduce the often debated but never ever passed windfall profits tax on big oil. In a logical shift reminiscent of Mr. Bush's ever evolving (devolving?) justifications of the Iraq War, the Clintonistas have finally jumped the bush shark....

He has a similar windfall taxes proposal, in fact I believe he was the first to actually suggest it. So apparently, you're not attentive enough to actually concentrate on the subject at hand - which is how she has proposed a giveaway that will never happen to distinguish her plan from Obama's, even though she knows it is neither sound nor does it have any chance of becoming a reality.

There is no fucking way on earth that a windfall profits tax will pass the Congress and be signed into law by the chimpster, in order to pay for Hilly's faux help for working families. It's a joke.

Even assuming that this charade actually cuts gas prices, the millions of people who used public transporation to go to work will see just about zero benefit.

Why they think the smart and savvy people on DU will be fooled by their puerile Taylor Marsh talking points is beyond me.

Note to Hillbots: We're not your Low Information Voters here.

and they don't like math. :rofl:

I wonder if they still want Paul Krugman's support, after even he came out against the tax holiday.

And I agree with him.

I appreciate the honestly. Your mileage may vary.

Could've sworn we were talking about the gas tax, but I'll play....



Are we even? So, back to the gas tax relief that Hillary promised this summer, how's that going? When do you think it'll get through committee, be passed by the House and Senate and signed by the President (without a signing statement)? You've got twenty days for her to keep her promises.

Like whomever you're talking to. Feels peaceful. :)

That's all you need to know. :-) Of course, you probably already knew that.

:hi: Frenchie!! :hi:

senate, and saw how well it worked NOT

He (and them elitist economists who are also saying it is pandering and will not work) have seen how this doesn't work

By the way... I am not a partisan for either but this little piece of factoid struck me as well, interesting

Now I don't know about you, but I'd take the word of Nobel Laureates over those of a candidate who took this BAD idea from HER REPUBLICAN opponent, and who cannot even deliver since the Senate has said no. Another little piece of data here ok... after all they don't want to give any weapons to John McCain

There are days that the mind just reels (and this week it is hillary's supporters mind to make my mind reel... I am sure next week it will be an Obamanite or two... since both are machine politicians)

Is that 10 bucks a month in fuel savings worth the damage to your car and the potential for injury or death?

Does your hatred for Obama blind you to basic common sense?

Or what funds can be used for road repair?

Don't even try. I used to recruit civil engineers for highway projects, in a previous job. I'm no transportation expert, but I know a thing or two about it.

revenue for maintenance. The Gas Holiday will not jeopardize any of our roads but hey let your hatred of Hillary blind you to everything.I was not a Hillary fan and still feel that I would prefer another but Obama is an empty suit offering no substance.

Never mind. :banghead:

As for "other sources" you DO realize what state you live in, don't you?

I'll pay $10/mo for that.

Sheesh!! What a stupid freaking claim!

be happy to have an extra $28??

What, is Hillary gonna send us all a check, and we can pay her back $.15 at a time each time we tank up with gas?

I mean, how willfully ignorant do you have to be to make such a claim? Or how stupid do you think the rest of us are? Do you think we don't have bills to pay and checkbooks to balance?

After all, they'd rationalize, it'd just be taxed as a "windfall profit" right? Wrong. It'd pull the fastest disappearing act seen since Enron. Intermediaries and agents NOT included in the "windfall profit" legislation and magically increased expenses.

I drive about 350-450 miles a week in the summer in a vehicle that averages 22 mpg. My savings would be around $15 a month.

She's pandering.

1 - No way this gets passed in the next few weeks.
2 - Bush won't sign it.
3 - Most likely not enough votes to override veto.

And btw where the hell is the bill?

And even if it passed what the hell we going to do in the winter when a lot of us are back to high heating prices and the tax goes back in to effect.

I'd rather see this money go into serious research to get us off fossil fuels.

Right now a lot of jawing needs to be done with oil companies and oil producers to get the costs down to manageable levels with a serious talk to Americans to cut their love for big-ass SUVs and pickups. Make it patriotic to drive the gas-sippers not the gas-guzzlers. And government and automakers ought to partner in a landing on the moon type project to get hybrids, electric, hydrogen, etc. affordable vehicles on the market in great quantities.

Jimmy Carter was the prophet we didn't listen to. Damn the Repukes and damn Reagan and the Bushes! And damn all their minions with the big mouths on the media.

Also why in the hell didn't the Bill Clinton administration see this coming? Losing the congress he sure squandered that opportunity.

BTW, what the hell is she going to say at the convention or in the fall if she stole the nomination when she doesn't deliver????? Sorry, McCain and I were just pandering?????

Here's a good calculator. http://www.philly.com/inquirer/multimedia/Gas_tax_calculator.html

So the soonest we'd see that is sometime next year, if at all. That means we'd be borrowing money to maintain highways in the meantime, or just not working on them. Great. :(

It won't happen, and she knows she can't make it happen. She hasn't explained how she will force oil companies to pay it, and she hasn't defined what sort of protections she will put in place to make sure they don't turn around and compensate themselves with a price increase.

Nor does it make any sense in how she is playing this. She's running for the presidency and is using this as a platform when it will come into play months before the GE even takes place. It's pandering, pure and simple - a plan she know can't pass muster in Congress proposed far enough into the future as to have an effect on elections happening now even though she knows that there won't be any plan come summer. She might as well start talking about emptying the treasury and giving it to the poor.

:kick:

The more likely scenario is that gas prices drop temporarily, then quickly climb back to their previous level.

Oil companies know that consumers are willing to pay $4.00/gallon. Do you really think Exxon's going to give up potential profit just so the average family can eat at McDonald's one more time?

breaks at all. As if a $28 tax break that hurts the environment and helps the oil companies is the best way to provide tax relief to those who need it. Shameless pandering - that's all this is.

by now.

and use public transportation. So what, all you Obama folks still drive? Pfftt progressives.

hillary would destroy this place with her "experience" and dismissal of "economics"