I have to admit, Hillary gets voters that Obama can't seem to connect with

"I am definitely going to try to go with Hillary. I almost feel like Obama's the anti-Christ from the Middle East,"
- Mary Bunger, a 44-year-old single mom from Abington, rural Indiana."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/quote-for-the-8.html

Why can't Obama persuade this kind of voter and what is incredible strength of Hillary that she can? :eyes:

:wtf:

What has Obama ever done that would lead someone to believe he is the anti-Christ from the Middle East? Oh, that's right ... he's black. :eyes:

i mean he needs it, but it's a dubious honor.

These kind of people have such closed minds that facts do not factor into their decision.

It is a sad reflection on a country that is supposed to be so advanced, that it still has this kind of witch-hunting mentality.

...my, what curious friends the Bots have.

and has supported Obama throughout this year?

unlike one Hillary supporter here yesterday who posted a press release from the Nat'l Republican Congressional Committee.

and he's no longer with us

:nopity:

I wouldn't talk.

:crazy:

Get with the program!

Hell, if we could get all the Democrats to have been so consistent, we would be doing well.

The fact that he has grown disenchanted with Bush does not make him a progressive. Hell, Pat Buchanan hates the Iraq War and thinks Bush is a boob--does that make him a liberal?

This is the same Sully who considers promoting The Bell Curve one of the proudest moments of his career in journalism, and who said, after 9/11, that a liberal "fifth column" hidden away in "coastal enclaves" would try to sell out the country to the Islamists.

No, he's no liberal, and besides that he's a sleaze.

just wondering.

I have often complained about people dragging any kind of fascist bullshit into DU, so you can drop the martyr routine.

and i'm not martyr, i just don't consider Sullivan of the same stripe as Malkin, et al.

being against the war doesn't make one a leftist.

and nobody said he was left, i was saying he's not right wing in the sense that Malkin is.

Apparently her ability to master the voting machine is in doubt.

...and the reasons for the support for Hillay are so obvious.

Because divisive and hateful won't help us unite in the GE.

News Flash: Most HRC supporters are not voting out of racism.

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in your world?

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canvassing and it's really annoying to see people who claim to support Obama attacking and broad brushing his opponents supporters just because one of them in one article said something or other.

People say stupid stuff all the time. Even Obama supporters say stupid stuff, as we can see.

I have a friend who is planning to vote for Hillary, and I can assure you is has nothing to do with being racist. I know this woman and her family because my son is the same age, they go to each others birthday parties and events. We often talk politics and are almost always in agreement.

After I went to the Camp Obama training I called her and asked if she wanted to volunteer on the Obama campaign. She said she's leaning Hillary, but to call her after the primaries are over and she would be very glad to work on the Obama GE campaign.

She's a long time progressive, but she just happens to like Clinton over Obama. Big deal.

You know, everyone has to vote for who they have to vote for, and to assume you know the reason they make their choice is about as enlightened as Mary Bunger is.

i would ask you to quit attacking Sen. Clinton's supporters solely because they are her supporters. You can attack the idiotic statements of Bunger all you like, and at least you would have a good reason. But to assume that everyone who supports Sen. Clinton is "Mary Bunger" is extremely short sighted and stereo typing of the worst sort.

Think about it.

But she is demonstrating that she is comfortable with the tactics of the Clinton campaign. I, too, know plenty of Hillary supporters who are perfectly nice people. But when the issue of the racebaiting comes up, so do their walls of denial. It's Obama's fault, it's the media's fault, it's some surrogate's fault, they were taking the Clinton's out of context, it's just stuff that will be brought up in the general etc. etc.

Look, when you and Mary Bunger are supporting the same candidate, I'm not saying you have to stop supporting that candidate, but you might want to examine why that's the case, and if that candidate is doing something to contribute to it. Hillary supporters have shown themselves to be utterly unwilling to do that. They deny and point fingers.

Ask your Clinton-supporting friend about the racism and see what she says. You might be shocked.

I am not so naive as to assume that everyone connected with the Obama campaign is pure and everyone connected with the Clinton campaign is somehow in denial.

We are all human beings. We are all in some level of denial about something somewhere sometime.

I can tell you why I support Obama in the race, but I can't tell you why somebody else supports Obama, and I can't tell you why somebody else supports Clinton.

You do Obama no favors to tell them why you think they are wrong because they are supporting Clinton. (except maybe with your friends on a one on one basis)

But it's not like Obama supporters are "The good guys" and Clinton supporters are "The bad guys," we are just "all a bunch of guys" if you see my point.

One of the reasons I'm supporting Obama is because I see him attempting to transcend the politics of division. You of course are free to support Obama, or not, for whatever your own reasons are.

I guess I see Clinton supporters as part of the solution instead of as part of the problem. I also see McCain supporters like that. I also see Obama supporters like that.

Of course, not everyone sees things like I do.

Good to have people like you here who can help us refocus when needed. Thanks. :thumbsup:

...but an attack on a Democratic poster. Tells me what you are and are not comfortable with.

:puke:

you can take your insinuations of racism and shove them up your motherfucking ass.

my God, what a nasty piece of work you are.


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hey Mods - when you delete this post, I want you to think about something -

why is a poster like "Hepburn" allowed to make insinuations like this (read the whole subthread) and remain on this website

while if a Hillary supporter said anything remotely like this they would be tombstoned?

Hepburn is a longtime member of DU who is highly regarded. We may be at each other's throats over this primary but let's take a deep breath before we start campaigning to get good people kicked off.

Ignore is your friend. Put Hepburn on it. Put me on it. You're going on mine right now.

which you also did in your deleted post.

what I said for Hepburn goes for you, too.

there are some lines that can't be crossed.


you're the one that needs to take a "deep breath".

she won't vote for an American who happens to be black. :eyes:

anyway, and she obviously doesn't pay any attention to the news. Accept the fact that there are people out there who refuse to accept reality; I'm pretty sure Obama has. She's not persuadable.

In 2004, there were areas in the country where 30% of the Dems voted for GWB. That's the vote Hillary is getting in places like IN.

:eyes:

Idiot LIV.

...these racist, ignorant slobs are the only thing keeping Hillary afloat right now.

There's a reason why Obama is attracting the affluent and the college educated - he's the better candidate. It just takes a little education to see the obvious.

THIS is why the Founding Fathers instituted the Electoral College. If the superdelegates do wind up deciding who the nominee is, then I'm going to thank the Gods that the Democrats have the system in place - it's precisely for situations like this that the superdelegates exist.

If "the people" are too stupid to understand the times and what's at stake then those in the know have an obligation to steer things in the right direction.

I'm going to assume that your post is sarcasm. Because that woman is powerful stupid.

Right wing campaigns rely on the ignorance of the electorate to divide and conquer and ultimately gain power. It's classic and it's exactly the kind of campaign that Clinton is running. Obama has chosen for the most part to take the high road and treat the electorate as if they have the brains to understand complex problems.

Clinton has bought into the Republican MO of never underestimate the ignorance of the American voter.

:think:

So stop saying that!!!!! :mad:

:puke:

from a long line of proud Southern Democrats including George Wallace and Orval Faubus ...

:puke:

Makes me proud to be a Democrat.

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...but i didn't hear you complaining when she was linked.

...new word for ignorance; Bungerspeak

I think it says more about Clinton that a person like this is one of her supporters.

:crazy:

:popcorn: