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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:32 PM
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Rush Limbaugh's "Project Chaos" in Indiana - Grrrr
In a state where the margin of victory has been predicted to be small, we have clowns like this man in Indiana.

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24488540/:

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"At a polling station down the road in Newburgh, Ind., a self-described independent voter, who has voted Republican in recent presidential elections, said he was part of “Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Project Chaos,’” which seeks to prolong the Democratic nomination process.

The former teacher, who requested to not be identified, said he considers national security and energy independence among his top priorities as a voter, but has not yet been impressed by the crop of candidates currently running.

He wishes he had a “third choice” in November, saying he's unsure if he’d vote for the eventual Democratic nominee or McCain.

After considering that quandry for a moment, he added, “Most likely it will be Senator McCain.”

He then headed to a Democratic primary polling place and cast his ticket for Clinton.

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This crap could throw this primary off by 2-5% easily. With their nomination wrapped up and having nothing better to do than punch babies and kick dogs (which we all know are their two favorite past times), Republicans will come in and partake in Limbaugh's "Project Chaos." Gauging what percentage of the total democratic vote in these primaries is attributable to the babbling, jowel jiggling, talk radio monster's "Project Chaos" would be interesting.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:33 PM
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1. Ha! Freely admits to election fraud, yep, that's one of Rush's for sure
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class2068 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:45 PM
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10. No, it's not fraud
since state law allows cross-over voting. Same here in MA. Rules are rules.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:04 AM
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18. as I understood the law, you can't vote for a candidate you don't actually support
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:33 AM
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26. I think Indiana actually requires that you pledge to support the Democratic Party
Don't know how exactly it would be enforced, but it's the law. And from what I've read, individual primary ballots are open record, meaning you can go back and see who voted for whom. Not so with the General Election, though.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:01 AM
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31. You don't have to "pledge support" in Indiana.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:01 AM by Blue-Jay
You sign the book and make a mark next to 'D' or 'R', and then you vote in whichever primary that you indicated. That's all there is to it.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:07 AM
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32. Nor are the ballots open record. You don't put your name ona ballot. nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:33 PM
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2. It doesn't matter if the SDs are aware of it
They can factor that into their decision.
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:40 PM
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7. Right - that's why I hope someone can gauge how many
of these people are skewing the results, so the SDs can get a feel for their effect on the vote. I am afraid that they make up a larger percentage of the voting public in these last few primaries than many of us would like to believe or acknowledge.

And another point that I forgot to include in my OP - all Democrats should find this unacceptable, even if their preferred candidate is the beneficiary.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:33 PM
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3. I hope Limpballs has done enough of this to be in violation of interfering with an election.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:35 PM
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4. At a certain pouint this will have to be investigated by the House Judiciary Committee
Subpeonas can go out, and if we get Obama in the White House next year (and with it, the Justice Department), then prosecutions could follow.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:35 PM
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5. I honestly think that it was Kos who gave Rush the idea
back when he advocated that Michigan Democrats vote for Romney.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:39 PM
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6. Thankfully, with the way delegates are divided up
Heavily GOP areas isn't going make too significant of a difference since they don't have many delegates.
These areas are most likely to play into the OpChaos game.

In other words, Rush's influence isn't as strong as some people think it is.
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:47 PM
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11. I hope you're right
about these people having little influence. But it is worrisome in a state where it is supposed to be a pretty tight contest.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:42 PM
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8. When your enemies cheer for you & help you to succeed
Then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:07 PM
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12. Yep. When you catch that pass and tuck that ball under your arm
and head downfield and the other team's bleachers stand up and cheer, you're headed for the wrong goalposts.
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:14 PM
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13. Absolutely agree.
And I just saw another Republican saying he voted for Hillary today. His motivation? "Mischief," as he says.

SOB needs to find a good hobby or something.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:45 PM
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14. Listen to Stephanie in the morning do you?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:16 PM
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15. Nope - never have.
What'd she say?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:46 PM
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16. Pretty much the same thing you did.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:44 PM
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9. Early exits said 1 in 10 were Republicans in Indiana
Some were disaffected, but others...
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:06 PM
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17. And here is where the issue becomes VERY important...
Clinton is ahead by roughly 35,000 votes at this point (ahead 4%). How many of these are Limbaugh's operatives?

CNN reporting that the 1 out of 10 voters in the Dem primary were Republicans, and of those, they overwhelmingly voted for Clinton.

I am surrounded by Republicans (I live in TN) and none that I know would even consider crossing over to Clinton for legitimate purposes.

Again, it comes down to this - what is the total gain in votes that Clinton receives due to Rush "Jiggly Jowels" Limbaugh and his minions?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:09 AM
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19. More math:
11% of the Indiana voters were republican. Based on what's in now that would make it a total of 137,955 republicans voting out of a total of 1,254,136.

The split in republicans was 52% HRC, 48% Obama thus:

71736 for HRC
66219 for Obama

Approx 5K difference.

Not sure the dittoheads made the difference this time.

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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:13 AM
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20. Well
That depends on the objective behind those numbers.

If Obama has 16k+ among the ones that actually voted because they wanted that candidate and would stick with it in Nov - then they made a significant difference.

Not saying it is so - but just because they got an even number does not mean if would not have been different without the dittoheads.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:30 AM
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21. 11%
Where'd you get those numbers?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:51 AM
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22. CNN exit polls last night.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:11 AM
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23. there's a fallacy in your approach
Edited on Wed May-07-08 08:11 AM by TexasObserver
The Rs voting for Obama intend to support him. Those voting for Hillary do not intend to support her; they're merely trying to help the Democratic candidate they can more easily beat in the fall. That's a big, fundamental difference. Operation Chaos succeeded, because it produced for Hillary 72000 additional votes, over three times her narrow margin of victory.

Without Operation Chaos, she clearly loses by 45000 votes.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:27 AM
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24. Possible...
I have been looking for some exit polls in Indiana that indicate what percentage of those Rs who voted for her intend to vote for her in the GE.

And by the way, you are my hero...I looooove your posts!


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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:49 AM
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28. cool!!
I have run out of gas on looking stuff up today, or I'd look for some links. I looked around at the news sites, though, and they all have some stories about this topic. google Operation Chaos for stories and such. I found a lot of stuff there.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:00 AM
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30. No, there's a fallacy in YOUR argument
it's unfair to presume all republican votes for your guy are pure and true and all republican votes for Clinton are malign mischief-making.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:30 AM
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25. You Dittoheads Make your Children Real Proud, Ya hear?
Sit them down and tell them how much integrity and love for your country and the democratic process you have. And be sure to tell them to do the same...to follow orders from a fatfuck drug addict, because you all have such great morals.
:puke:
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Blu Dahlia Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:38 AM
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27. At least they no longer pretend to be the party of morals
that meme is out the window!
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:52 AM
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29. you realize there were times when Rush was asking for the crossover vote to benefit Obama
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:54 AM by frickaline
I believe the Mississippi election was this way if I remember correctly.

The bottom line is these guys really aren't having much impact on the primary if any. They are really just doing us a favor by getting Republicans to practice voting Democratic.

I consider it training :)
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:18 PM
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33. I would say in the overall contest they haven't had much of an effect
But I would say they did have quite an effect in Indiana, since a double Obama win would have been the absolute nail in the coffin. As it stands, it's probably the last nail that is halfway in.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:43 PM
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34. I doubt they had too much impact, just something for the media to talk about so they are less boring
Edited on Wed May-07-08 08:49 PM by frickaline
For the crossover 'chaos' voters, you have to be pretty bored and pathetic to participate in this. Maybe there was more of an effect in Indiana than other states but when you are talking about hundreds of thousands of voters, a few screwballs don't amount to much.

You have to start with people willing to vote,
pare down to people willing to compromise their vote,
pare down to Rush's audience and then
pare down to people that actually listened and agreed with this tactic.

I can't imagine that was all that many people.
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:55 PM
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35. You're right, but I still would like a rough estimate of how many
of these fools turned out. Just for curiosity if for nothing else. At this point in the campaign, it would obviously be for curiosity's sake.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:00 PM
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36. this is GREAT news... know why?
because it is FINALLY being talked about in the media without it being totally dismissed as some wacky conspiracy theory...and it's causing people to google & actually think and rsearch the numbers..

and it automatically casts doubt on EVERY "win" she's had since mccain locked up his nomination... OH, TX, PA, IN, & WV, KY...

especially on the CLOSE ones..which they ALL have been.. There's no way to even determine if she even WON them without knowing how high a percentage the ditto-heads were..
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