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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:33 AM
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Hillary defiant and delusional
Three days ago, Hillary set the tone for her speech last night in Indiana. Some call it spin, but it really crossed the line:

Spin, as we usually refer to it, is trying to take facts and present them in a way that is good for one or another candidate. We see this most often when it comes to setting expectations. Candidates try to spin things to set expectations in a given election one way, so that when they meet or break expectations the media writes positive stories about said candidate having "momentum."

Lying, by contrast, is either saying things contrary to the facts, or pretending the facts just don't exist. We saw this most often in the Bush administration's lead-up to the Iraq War, and more recently, in Hillary Clinton pretending that she never supported NAFTA, when, in fact, a decade of public speeches shows she did. Now, Clinton is doing something fairly new: spinning AND lying - all at the same time.

Here's what ABC News reports that Clinton is now saying:

"We came from so far behind in Indiana. We're still the underdog."

Clinton is trying to set expectations in advance of Tuesday's Indiana primary, with the goal of making it seem as if a victory in Indiana would be "unexpected" and proof that she has "momentum." The spinning part - the expectations part - is fine, and no surprise. That's what candidates do, and that's part of politics. What's not fine is the dishonest basis of the storyline. Clinton has been ahead in Indiana from the beginning - and in, fact, has been ahead in the majority of Democratic primary polls done in the Hoosier state.

As Real Clear Politics shows, Clinton has been ahead or tied with Barack Obama in 12 out of 18 Indiana primary polls. In fact, she's never been behind by more than 5 points - basically the margin of error in these polls. Put another way, Clinton has been either ahead or right on the cusp of the margin of error in 100% of the polling done in Indiana.

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Why, in the face of last night's crushing defeat, would Hillary open her speech with the same distortion:

Thank you, Indiana. Thank you. Not too long ago, my opponent made a prediction. He said I would probably win Pennsylvania. He would win North Carolina, and Indiana would be the tie-breaker. Well, tonight we've come from behind, we’ve broken the tie, and thanks to you, it's full speed on to the White House.

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The delusion of "full speed on to the White House."

May 7, 2008, 9:21 am

The Early Word: Race Shifts to Superdelegates

By ARIEL ALEXOVICH

With the Indiana and North Carolina primaries behind us, we’ve crossed an interesting threshold: there are now more uncommitted superdelegates (231, according to The New York Times’s count) than pledged delegates (217) remaining to be won.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed to press on in the primary race during her victory speech in Indiana, where she beat Barack Obama by a “razor-thin” two-percent margin, The Indianapolis Star writes.

Mr. Obama won handily in North Carolina — by 14 points — but even so, Mrs. Clinton said, “it’s full speed on to the White House”:

She made glancing reference to the difficult path ahead and Mr. Obama’s numerical and financial advantages entering the final month of the primary season. Just three minutes into her victory speech, she implored the several hundred supporters gathered at a theater here to go to her Web site and contribute money.

The Clinton campaign’s financial situation might be more dire than Mrs. Clinton is letting on. Patrick Healy of The New York Times writes that “her campaign is deep in debt and believed to be near broke, and her advisers made the unusual move on Tuesday night of refusing to confirm or deny whether Mrs. Clinton had made a loan to her campaign to keep it afloat.”


Today we learn that Hillary has now loaned her campaign more than $11 million:

Clinton loaned campaign $6.4 million

The AP reports:

A campaign aide says Hillary Rodham Clinton loaned herself $6.4 million in the past month.

That sum means the campaign is fairly clearly into Bill Clinton's earnings, in theory making it more difficult to avoid questions about the source of his income. The last loan, Clinton's aides said, was drawn from Hillary's book earnings.

Though these are techically loans, these are very difficult to repay, as they must be paid from primary funds. There's some speculation this morning that Obama could help Clinton retire debt, possibly including the campaign's debt to her.


May 7, 2008, 9:54 am

Clinton Lends Campaign $6 Mllion

By Michael Luo

Highlighting the financial woes of Clinton campaign, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has lent her campaign more than $6 million over the last month, campaign officials said.

The Senator lent the campaign the money in three installments: $5 million on April 11, $1 million on May 1, and $425,000.

Mrs. Clinton is also willing to put more money into her campaign going forward, said Terry McAuliffe, the campaign chairrman.

“Senator Clinton has anted up and is fighting on,” he said.


"Fighting on"?



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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:40 AM
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1. Delusional sums it all up.
She's known it's over since Feb. Why mislead her fans this way when there is no hope?
I'm starting to feel sorry (but not too sorry) for those that were fooled by her.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:41 AM
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2. Defiant.
That is the best description I've seen. I don't think Hillary can believe she has lost.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:42 AM
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3. Once again, she takes the LOW road. The DNC and Supers need to put an end to this.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 AM
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10. SD = primadonnas. they think this shit is about them.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:46 AM
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4. This is like watching a classic struggle between a professional fighter and a street fighter
Obama is the champ, the guy who is trained and disciplined, who knows his reach, and who waits on his opponent to waste all their time bobbing and weaving and using up energy. Then, BAM! he strikes.

Hillary's the little challenger who jumps around a lot, talks a mean game, but simply doesn't have the ultimate skills and winning abilities of the champ.

There's a skit on the Canadian comedy show Kids in the Hall that comes to mind. There's a little guy in a bar who challenges a big guy in the bar to a fight. The little guy just keeps coming, and never lays a hand on the big guy.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:52 AM
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15. The referee need to step in and call a TKO, I can't watch anymore . . . n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:47 AM
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5. Please consider taking the pledge
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:49 AM
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6. I just about hurled when I heard her say this...
"Well, tonight we've come from behind, we’ve broken the tie, and thanks to you, it's full speed on to the White House."
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:53 AM
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8. Yes, that was a jaw dropping moment for sure. N/T
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:52 AM
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7. astounding boggles the mind
don't they know that they are inviting the SDs to give them a public beating
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:53 AM
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9. I heard someone say last night...
that it isn't uncommon for a candidate in Hillary's position, who's path to the nomination has been all but eliminated, to stay in the race to try to negotiate the exit with their opponent and continue to raise funds so they leave the campaign with no debt. This seems, to me, like a highly likely scenario. It's very possible that Hillary's staff are working to negotiate with Obama for appointments, etc while continuing to raise money so she can leave the campaign in the black.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 AM
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11. Exactly.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:39 AM
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13. "It's very possible that Hillary's staff are working to negotiate with Obama for appointments"
She doesn't have to "fight on" to do that. It's BS!

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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:16 PM
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28. She does if she wants the political leverage...
not to mention, it would be far more difficult for her to raise money to eliminate her debt if she admitted she were leaving the race.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 AM
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12. She will only leave the stage kicking and screaming as she is
removed by the force of reason.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:47 AM
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14. Obama campaign: "we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming day"

Obama's memo: Clinton has no 'legitimate' path to victory

In a memo that went out to superdelegates this morning, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe ramps up the case that Obama is the de facto nominee.

With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days. While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.

There's also a pitch to the process-minded superdelegates:

Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded. It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules – your rules – which we built this campaign and our strategy around.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:53 AM
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16. "Hillary Chief Strategist: North Carolina Loss Represented Progress..."
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:02 AM
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18. OMG....OMFG
Hillary you fat cow, take your motherfucking KING SIZED SHEET and get the fuck out of our faces.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:04 PM
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39. I can't believe they are saying this shit OUT LOUD!
Do they know that cameras are rolling and
voices are being recorded?

It's ASTONISHING!

:wow:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:01 AM
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17. She's been snorting some of that crazy powder she peddles to her supporters
and has become her best customer--soon to be only customer. She forgot the first rule: never get high on your own supply.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:03 AM
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19. It's full speed to the White House...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:19 AM
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20. " 2,025 was 'not the operative number.'"
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:19 AM by ProSense
From a NYT article that illustrates that it's over, until you get to the end:

The Clinton camp has also been arguing that the full number of delegates needed to claim the nomination is 2,209, which includes Florida and Michigan, as opposed to 2,025. Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, said that the 2,025 was “not the operative number.”

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:49 AM
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21. With the Media Seemingly Decided, Clinton Faces Three Options

With the Media Seemingly Decided, Clinton Faces Three Options

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That that leaves her with three options.

First, keep fighting like nothing has changed. When their candidate is challenged, Clinton supporters respond with huge monetary shows of support. And when their careers are challenged, the Clintons themselves kick it into another gear. Hillary Clinton can double down on the upcoming primaries in West Virginia and Kentucky (where she leads by large margins), ratchet up the calls to seat Michigan and Florida, make a zillion phone calls to superdelegates every day, and hope that Obama gets caught in another Reverend Wright-esque sandstorm. (It wouldn't hurt to drop the gas tax pander.) Rumors persist about one last piece of truly nuclear opposition research the Clinton campaign has held back about Obama. It could release some such thing; the only danger is that if Clinton does not win the nomination, the Democratic nominee may be fatally wounded. But wounding the nominee is obviously not a concern if the Clinton campaign chooses this option, anyway.

Second, she can drop out immediately. Despite the calls for this that are certain to ring through Obama-friendly parts of the blogosphere today, this may not be the best option for Obama. If Clinton drops out this week, Obama may lose the upcoming primaries in West Virginia and Kentucky to someone who is not on the ballot.

Third, lay the groundwork for a graceful exit in a few weeks. Assuming that Clinton sees the end of the road on the horizon, this choice has several advantages over option number two. First, the Clintons have donated a lot of their own money to the campaign; staying in and continuing to raise funds allows them to retire some of that debt. Second, the last two weeks of the campaign can take a conciliatory tone, attempting to convince Democratic voters who have cast their lot with Clinton that Obama ain't so bad after all. This would go a long way in rehabilitating Bill and Hillary Clinton's reputations within the Democratic Party, and position Hillary for a vice presidential selection, should she be interested. If she hopes to be a future Senate Majority Leader or a candidate in 2012, this route may be the necessary one.

At this point, the race is all about Hillary Clinton's psychology. She and she alone has to choose one of these three options. Bill Clinton will likely be part of the conversation, and Chelsea may be too. But ultimately, the person who has put in the most work perhaps of anyone in America over the last year has to either accept that she has lost the fight of her life, or decide that she is willing to continue down what becomes an increasingly untenable road. The media's collective mind seems to be made up, meaning that if Clinton continues on, she will have to do so under a chorus of calls for her to euthanize her campaign.


The statements from Hillary's campaign indicate that she's on the first path.



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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:03 PM
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22. I don't mind if she stays in the race but I think she should
please quit fucking with people's minds.








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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:05 PM
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23. Way to win Clinton supporters to Obama's side
Good luck with that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:13 PM
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25. It's not my job to win over Hillary supporters
who are going to be offended by the truth. If Hillary continues her smear campaign against Obama in the face of an inevitable loss, then she is self-centered and not the leader people thought she was.

Hillary's options are clear. She can make this a gracious exit or a contentious one.

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:05 PM
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24. she's a fighter - she's fighting against the democratic party
she will burn the entire house down.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:25 PM
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26. “I hope next Tuesday you will give me a chance to be your president!”
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:26 PM
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27. Hillary: "IT'S STILL EARLY"
What the hell kind of drugs is she on? She is out of her mind.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:02 PM
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29. More Calls For Hillary To Drop Out, But Some Congressional Backers Stand Firm
More Calls For Hillary To Drop Out, But Some Congressional Backers Stand Firm

Evidently, the fact that Hillary cannot win doesn't count to some.

Maybe they're waiting for her to score more than 85% in the remaining contest.





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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:08 PM
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30. i agree. k&r
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:08 PM
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31. I heard stuff how she was brought up and told to fight the guys and this is going all
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:12 PM by barack the house
the way, worringly but Keep going folks. Our resolve has to be just as strong . Mrach. The alternative is the Democrat party moving further right and after that it's lost.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:22 PM
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32. Hillary on the white vote:

We're Not Talking About Just Anyone!

Noted without comment, because what can you say ...

From USAToday's new interview with Sen. Clinton ...

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.



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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:26 PM
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33. Wasn't this Nixon's strategy?
Appealing to the "silent majority," codeword word for ginned up race division?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:04 AM
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34. The June Myth

The June Myth

May 08, 2008 8:54 AM

"It's still early," said Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY yesterday. "I mean, everybody is so focused on where we are right now -- I guess I remember that, in June of 1992, that's when Bill really wrapped up the nomination -- the middle of June, after the California primary."

We've vetted this claim before and found its accuracy to be wanting.

Then- Gov. Bill Clinton literally did not secure enough delegates through the primary and caucus process until the California primary, June 2, 1992.

But he had sewn up the nomination long before then.

Months before then.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:34 PM
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35. This says it all:
"A lot of you have stuck with me; you've been through all the ups and downs in this campaign, the biggest victories and toughest moments," Clinton said. "I think it is because you understand that you've got to have a president who gets up every day and fights for you, who never gives up on you."

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Delusional!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:35 AM
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36. Hillary Campaign Emails Out "Electability" Power-Point To All House Dems (OMG)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:57 PM
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37. Postcards from the edge
5/9/2008

Congressman Chris Carney Endorses Hillary Clinton For President

On the heels of her "tie-breaker" win in Indiana and decisive victory in Pennsylvania , Congressman Chris Carney today announced his endorsement of Hillary Clinton for President. Carney represents Pennsylvania ’s 10th Congressional District.

"I have watched this primary process very closely--and as I said I would do, I have weighed the temperament and leadership displayed by Senators Clinton and Obama during the course of this campaign. We are extremely fortunate to have two very strong candidates vying to lead our nation. Pennsylvania 's 10th District overwhelmingly chose Senator Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary and I will respect their decision. On Wednesday, I had the opportunity to meet with Senator Clinton, and let her know Thursday that I am supporting her," said Congressman Carney.

Congressman Chris Carney was elected to represent Pennsylvania ’s 10th Congressional District in 2006. Before joining Congress, Carney served at the Pentagon as an intelligence analyst and senior advisor on intelligence and counterterrorism issues. He coordinated counterterrorism activities in the Middle East and later worked on the integration of national-level intelligence products in the effort to destroy international terrorist networks. A Lieutenant Commander in the United States Navy Reserve, Carney has served multiple tours overseas.

"I am honored to have the support of Congressman Chris Carney," said Hillary Clinton. "Chris has run and won in a competitive district in a key battleground state. He understands what it takes to bring people together. I look forward to relying upon his advice and expertise on national security and foreign affairs as we work together to restore America’s leadership in the world."



5/9/2008

New West Virginia Ad: Hillary Vows to Level the Playing Field

30-second television spot to air statewide

The Clinton campaign today announced it is airing a television ad in West Virginia highlighting Senator Clinton’s commitment to leveling the playing field against special interests and strengthening America’s middle class.

The 30-second spot, entitled “Level,” comes as voters prepare to head to the polls on May 13th.

Watch the ad here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vkDEt-jbr4

Following is the script for the ad.

Hillary For President

“Level”

TV :30

Announcer
: She's fighting for America's middle class.

Hillary Clinton: It's time to level the playing field against the special interests.

Announcer: She'll end $55 billion dollars in giveaways to corporate special interests and invest it in middle class tax cuts and creating new jobs. She’ll get tough on unfair trade deals and end tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas.

Hillary Clinton: Standing up for people who weren't getting a fair shake, that's been the purpose of my life. And it will be the purpose of my presidency.

Hillary Clinton: I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this message.


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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:02 PM
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38. Hillary... being a stupid 20th century politician
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