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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:12 PM
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Ed Koch: "My honest opinion is that Obama will be the candidate and that he will lose"
Ed Koch: Obama Is A Sure Loser, Clinton Should Fight On

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/ed-koch-obama-is-a-sure-l_n_100697.html



As Democrats coalesce around Sen. Barack Obama, one of Hillary Clinton's must outspoken supporters is not mincing words: the party is walking needlessly and unaware into a general election buzzsaw.

"I believe Obama probably will win (the Democratic nomination), although in politics you never ever can count anybody out," said former New York Mayor Ed Koch. "I think Hillary is doing a magnificent job and is a great candidate and if anybody can pull it out, she can. But my honest opinion is, it probably won't happen. And that he will be the candidate and that he will lose."

Koch's argument, while never voiced in public by Clinton, is thought to reflect the opinion of the senator and her key aides.

In an interview with The Huffington Post, Koch warned that despite Obama's lead in every single primary election metric, the Illinois Democrat simply would not be able to best John McCain come November. As such, he urged Clinton to stay in the race even as some in the party call for her drop out now, even before Obama has officially secured the nomination.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:13 PM
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1. Funny how Obama keeps proving old white guys wrong eh?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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28. koch was always salivating over bush and the War
on Iraq, too..why wouldn't he go for hilary?

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:03 AM
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48. And he was so excited about the Rethug Convention being here in NYC in 2004...
there were stupid posters all over with his face on them welcoming the Repigs to New York. I liked Koch when he was mayor, but it was all downhill toward the end of his tenure until now. He is now as bad as Lieberman. He might as well call himself a Republican.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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2. says a big fan of dubya
.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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3. So what is important about his opinion?
When did he become an all knowing god?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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4. A lot of Clinton people believe that.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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5. You won Ed
Nuff said?
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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6. A really old white guy predicting a really old white guy will win
Go figure.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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20. Bingo.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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7. I think this is one of those things that makes Obama look BETTER. nt
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:00 AM
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59. Oh Jesus Ed Again? Fuck Off Fuckwittage. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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8. Ed Koch
Who supported W in 2004?

He has great judgement.

But he was good on the Muppet Show.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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9. Yertle the Turtle is still alive?
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM by SoonerPride
Cool.

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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:21 PM
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26. Yes, Yertle the Queen of the pond...
until a lowly turtle named Obama "burped" out sucesssive wins and tossed Queen Yertle/Hillary from on high right into the mud that she was busy slinging.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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10. Now there's a man with his finger on the pulse of America. NOT
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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11. Ed Koch can go fkuc a dingo.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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12. Ed Koch. President of Democrats for scrub 04
That's who I turn to for indepth, thoughtful analysis on Democratic politics.

koch and LIEberman need to be shown the door.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:16 PM
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13. Why is this being posted here? Is this somekind of news?
:shrug:
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:52 AM
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58. People should research the last time he supported a black candidate and what Koch did the last time
an African American ran for President (Jesse Jackson). Koch attacked Jackson so hard he alienated blacks in NYC and got booted from the Mayors mansion.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:16 PM
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14. Koch supported BUSH - in 2004 n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:16 PM
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15. didn't Ed Koch support Bush in 2004 ?
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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19. Yes, he did. He sent flyers to Jewish communities in FL endorsing Bush.
He's a piece of shit and I blissfully forget he's still alive until he endorses a Repuke every four years.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:16 PM
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16. Not according to my Republican friends
Who have said they would only vote against her if the candidate is Hillary.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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17. A chorus of cynics who will grow louder in the days to come.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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18. Larry Kramer exposed this self-centered, no talent blowhard in the 1980's.
He has had his head so far up Dick Cheney's ass that he can't enjoy a Merlot without a whiff of the man's crack.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:54 PM
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41. I think the expression is...
He has his head so far up Cheney's ass that by 11am he knows what Cheney had for breakfast.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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21. Fuck you Ed.
Sincerely.

Google isn't working for me for some reason but I'm pretty sure Koch was sucking Bush ass and was a big Iraq war supporter.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:31 PM
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38. Yeah, koch's words..
Ed Koch: "I'm voting for Bush
New York Democrat: Kerry doesn't
have stomach to go after terrorists"


<snip>

"But the former mayor says he was sickened by what he witnessed at the Democratic National Convention last month and now feels the Democratic Party is moving in the wrong direction.

"I saw Kerry surrounded by radical politicians like Carter and Kennedy. ... I know Kerry will succumb to their pressure if elected. They are with Kerry not because they like him, but because their true candidate Howard Dean couldn't get elected, and they wanted someone who they can have elected and dominate," charged Koch."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40088
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:20 PM
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22. Spoken by an idiot who supported Bush. We know how much his opinion is worth.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:20 PM
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23. koch is crock and as far as his "honest opinion"..
Who cares if he's being honest and stupid or conniving and stupid?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:21 PM
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24. Damn him for saying this CRAP !!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:21 PM
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25. Koch endorsed Bush - who the fuck cares what his OP is?!
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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27. Koch hasn't been relevant for 25 years, minimum...
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:23 PM by bullwinkle428
wait - now that I think about, Obama was in diapers the last time Koch was relevant!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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29. I think he supported Repuke Pataky for Governor, didn't he??
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:23 PM
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30. Ed Koch was a vocal Bush supporter in 2004.
He even spoke at the GOP convention.

Fuck him, hard. I wonder what Ron Silver thinks of Obama's chances?
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:23 PM
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31. I liked Koch until this stupid comment. The Wright issue is bullshit. No wonder Koch is a loser.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:24 PM
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32. Would that be Bush supporting Ed Koch?
Why would Democrats give a damn about what this asshat thinks?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:24 PM
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33. So what good does Hillary staying in the race do since she can't win? n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:26 PM
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34. He's still alive?
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:32 PM
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40. Not politically.... n/t
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:26 PM
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35. He didn't even support Senator Kerry..
What does he know? :eyes:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:28 PM
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36. My honest opinion is that Ed Koch needs to shut the fuck up
That man is third only to Chimp and Cheney in the number of stupid statements in the last 7 years.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:30 PM
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37. Wasn't he known for antagonizing NY blacks? n/t
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:32 PM
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39. The next time Ed Koch is right about the mood of the electorate will be the first time....

He won mayor in NY in spite of himself.
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bow-tie Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:10 PM
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42. What's the plan
on keeping Obama safe? This is going to be very scary. Keep track of GHB.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:20 PM
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43. Ed Koch is another Joe Lieberman. He endorsed Bush in 2004. I bet he endorses McCain this year. n/t
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:22 PM by invictus
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:28 PM
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44. To quote another idiot, "So?"
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:55 PM
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45. Go ahead, keep on underestimating Obama
...long enough for him to win the White House.

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:18 AM
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54. would that not be misunderestimating in boosh/koch speak???
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:58 PM
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46. Koch is a race war era candidate from NYC
He won the mayoralty by tapping into the rage of all those scared and angry white ethnics in the outer boroughs. Not surprising that he would feel this way.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:00 AM
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47. Fuck Koch. Fuck Begala. Fuck Begala. Fuck Garin.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:03 AM
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49. So far, 12 Hillary supporters for Koch.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 12:03 AM by ProSense
Shame? What shame?

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:04 AM
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50. I'm still mad ad Ed Koch for defeating Mario Cuomo in the New York
mayoral run-off lo these many moons ago.

Also, Ed's made a bad call on the 08 race.


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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:06 AM
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51. Time to put the old fucker on an ice floe and set him adrift. Outlived his usefulness to society.
What an ass.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:13 AM
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53. A long overdue chore indeed.
Adios, Ed. Wave goodbye to the nice people.


:thumbsup: :hi:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:06 AM
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52. Say hi to your boy Lanny Davis, Ed...
...and fuck off.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:28 AM
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55. Exactly what I've been saying
The supers, if they care about our country at all, should all migrate to Hillary. Giving the nomination to Obama would mean 4 more years of Bush.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:22 AM
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64. Hey Troll Train We've Heard That For Months & We Aren't Down With It
Dig? Obama ain't the boogie man and Clinton's train is out O' steam. Why are you still spewing ass carrot nonsense?
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:47 AM
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66. I would refer you to the DU rules stating that you are not allowed to call others "trolls"
Also, your overall tone does not gel with your supposed "hope & unity" message.

As long as Hillary is in the race, my goal will be to get her nominated, simply because I care about winning in November.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:55 AM
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67. another faux oracle. DU has so many.
and too bad but SDs will not be supporting the loser. And that would be hillypoo.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:44 AM
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56. If anyone remembers, Republicans were doing the same kind of hand-wringing over Reagan in 1980. n/t
n/t
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:48 AM
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57. 50+ responses to the OP, and such COURTEOUS ones too! *meh*
how very telling.


Koch uttered a painful but accurate truth.

Hillary would fare no better.

the media decided who will win ages ago.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:28 AM
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65. Are You An American Voter? Do You Have A Voice In Our Electorate HC?
Just asking. I see you reside in Canada but do you vote here? If you do I welcome your opinion if not please SHUT THE FUCK UP. Thanks!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:01 AM
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60. Well, thanks for shooting your mouth off, Ed..
now go back & eat your Maypo:)
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:03 AM
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61. BITTER
buh-bye Ed
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:03 AM
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62. Ed Crotch???? LMFAO! He is the biggest dumb-ass on the planet!
Right there with Bill Kristol and the Neocons. This ass hole loves Bush and the Iraq war. Shut the fuck up Crotch!
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:14 AM
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63. Gee, wonder if we actually supported our candidates? They might win.
Koch has never net a GOP he didn't like. As part of the Kerry on Israel team, I watched Koch as the Bush is better for Israel lies. Koch is horrible.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:16 AM
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68. hey Koch who gives a shit what you think?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:20 AM
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69. Ed undermined Carter in '80 and endorsed Bush in '00 who cares what that doddering old shit thinks
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