My big fear: Hillary after West Virginia.

It may be unfounded paranoia. I willingly admit upfront that I don't trust Hillary and wouldn't put nothing past her. My gut tells me that Hillary and Bill are conflicted. They want to destroy Obama and crush his chances in November so they can try again in 2012. Let's face it: Without eight years of George W. Bush wrecking this country the Democratic Party would not be in the position it is now. We are looking at the biggest electoral slide toward the Democratic Party in recent history and that is almost entirely owed to the failures of George W. Bush. When Obama says we only have one shot at this: It's because of the current political winds. If Hillary were to somehow magically win the nomination and then the general election, any hope of Obama becoming a President of the United States would dry up, and the converse is also true for Hillary.

My gut tells me that they are conflicted. They want to sabotage him but know it's risky. If he loses in November it could be placed at their feet, and it would destroy the Clinton legacy, and virtually ensure that she has no chance in the future to become President. Ever. She may not even be welcomed back into the Senate, and she would certainly become the Black Sheep of the Democratic Party - finding herself in a similar position as Joe Lieberman.

The easiest way to sabotage Obama is to have him force her out of the race. To make it look like the boys club decided to force the woman back into the kitchen. I cannot say this will happen, but I do think it is a possibility: After her win in West Virginia she attempts to pull a "Come Back Kid" move. Even though the math is totally against her in every way shape and form, she will attempt to force the hand of the Super Delegates and Obama. She wants it to look like they are forcing her out of the race, so that her strongest supporters, the supporters Obama will need in November, will not be inclined to vote for him.

The narrative is already out there. Pundits everywhere talk about how Obama will have trouble winning Clinton's core constituency. Hillary may want to make it a reality. She may campaign for him if he wins, but there may be the occasional comments that Bill makes "off the cuff" that are used to undercut Obama in the general election. It would be played up as "Well, that's Bill Clinton for you."

It may be unfounded paranoia, but in the deepest level of my gut I know the Clinton's care nothing for us, nothing for America, and nothing for the Party: It has been and always will be about their own ambitions, and everyone else can go straight to hell for all they care. Just like the gas tax they will pander and say what needs to be said in order to get ahead, no matter the truth, so long as the end result is favorable to them.

...just read an article about how Hillary could force some painful concessions out of this, and that too may be her goal. After all, it was Jesse Jackson in 1988 that brought about the proportional delegate system, to give future minority candidates a chance. The Clintons, and their team, are a powerful political force, but they may fear planned obsolesence. Gore may have not been terribly unwise to re-enter the arena. Whatever the outcome, well, let's just hope after the elections, we're able to get some people into office that are thoughtful and have a global, long term vision for where we should be going as a nation. I'm sick to death of people whose sight seems to extend no further than the next election cycle.

Although, I don't think it's fair to characterize Hillary and Bill as viewing things from election cycle to election cycle. If one thing is true: They are long term schemers. Hillary begun her bid for the White House the moment Bill stepped out the front door. I'll never forget when Hillary and Bill started to show up at Gore fund raisers to raise money for her Senate Campaign, thereby taking money away from his Presidential Campaign. I feel in my heart that the Clinton's were very glad for Gore to lose in 2000 and Kerry to lose in 2004. I think the Gore's feel the same, judging by their attitudes toward the Clinton's, and I think Kerry's animosity toward them is also evident. After all, without two terms of Bush Hillary would not be able to win the Presidency, and there is little doubt in my mind that every vote she has cast in the Senate, including her Iraq War Vote, were cast to further herself toward her ultimate goal.

It's for the above reasons, and their very competitive nature, that I distrust them. I think if we watch them closely in the coming days and weeks their true intentions will become clear. For all that we know, the Clinton's may have long ago come to the realization that they don't have a chance of winning the nomination, and only stayed in the race to look for ways to sabotage Obama. They may have held onto some slim hope until last night, but I don't think there is any doubt that their campaign tactics up until this point in time have been scorched earth. Their future actions should be telling.

However, like I said, my biggest fear at the moment is her victory in West Virginia. She may attempt to claim herself a "come back kid", thereby implying that the race is far from over.

you envision. Now I do. :(

Obama has done a good job weathering her 'electability' argument and tied Hillary's hands in campaigning. She can't even go negative anymore without the superdelegates yelling at her. Right now, Hillary needs Obama more than Obama needs her. She's deep in debt and he's flush in cash, so she'll need to ask him to try to help her raise more money to cover her debt.

bush.

In fact, she wants it bad enough that she's willing to loan her campaign 11.4 Million Dollars. I don't think that being President is a "good" job to have - it doesn't pay nearly as much as it should for all the shit you have to endure. However, for those running for the job it's more than just about the money, it's about a place in history, and likely also the power associated with the position.

If Hillary didn't want to be President she wouldn't still be in this race. She wouldn't have run in the first place, she wouldn't have stayed in the running this long, and furthermore she would not be dipping into her own pocket to fund her campaign.

The truth of the matter is, the logic Hillary had for victory last week is no more shaky than the logic she has for victory right now. Her position hasn't changed, only the perception of her position, which is entirely owed to the media. The Clinton's have never payed much attention to the media.

barack, hillary, mccain. ;)

she has already destroyed herself, politically. Yes, there are still many Americans who claim to support her in polls, and who are still voting for her. But that is because the full implications of how she has conducted herself have not sunk in. By this time next year, she will be a pariah. I will be shocked if she even retains her Senate seat.

I have always said that the Clintons are bad news and especially bad news for Barack and hence he should not even consider her for VP. Having said that and looking into the next primaries in WV and Kentucky of which Hillary is expected to win I would prefer Obama to change his ad campaign. Something I would like to see is Obama appealing to the citizens of both states and get them to understand that although Hillary is still in the race she cannot win. Voting for her only hurts the party and makes it tougher in the fall to beat McCain. In effect you are free to vote your conscience but you vote against your own interests for the future.

NoFederales

when he becomes the official Dem nominee. She needs to keep her political future viable, and she knows that video cameras will be following her every step to try to find the slightest hint that Hillary or Bill are tanking it for Obama in hopes for a 2012 run for President.

Hillary scares me too. There is no telling what Bill and Hill have up their collective sleeves.
I believe that she will try her best to muddy the waters for Barack. She wants to diminish his
chances of winning the GE, even though he'd be running against a candidate that most republicans don't want.

Yes sir, Hillary wants no competition standing when she runs again in 2012, so who knows whats coming down
the pike from the Clintons in the upcoming weeks. STAY TUNED!