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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:02 AM
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I hope the Obama Campaign will NOT use our small donations to pay off Clinton to exit
I think it will stop small donors from contributing to a campaign in the future if they believe their hard earned dollars (*see below) are used to pay off unscrupulous debt (THINK THE BIG BUCKS THAT MARK PENN HAS BEEN PAID!). I really hope the Obama Campaign spends our dollars on growing the party (which they are doing with the Voter Registration Drive which kicks off May 10th in all 50 states) and totally refrains from buying off a wealthy corporate funded candidate who has caused Sen Obama to spend donor dollars to fight attacks from a fellow Dem rather than focus on the GOP.

I hope the Obama Campaign will let Bill and Hillary hit up their wealthy corporate types to pay off their destructive campaign. We need to build the party for the future.

*note: I have answered phone calls for the Obama Campaign and have spoken to many people who live on a small fixed income that send $5 or $10 because they so strongly believe in the type of campaign he is running. They really can't afford it but want change so badly they sacrifice. I believe these folks would be hesitant to contribute in the future he they felt their dollars would be directed to pay off debt on a campaign that aimed at bringing down who they believe in.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:08 AM
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1. Hillary was free to do what she wanted with her money
but she shouldn't be shielded from the results of her actions
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:11 AM
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2. Agree. I like how she has branded Sen Obama an elitist yet she can fund her own
failing campaign with millions. I hope there will be NO BUY OUT from donations raised from Obama donors.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:11 AM
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3. I'm going to ask for a refund...
...or try to get my CC company to stop the payment.
(although it would be too late.)

I will also not contribute anything to his GE fund.

Seriously, he better not agree to pay off her debt, or many, many others will do the same...
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:16 AM
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9. I ask you to wait, breath and think why you donated
I donated to have him be my president, I agree that paying off her debt is a pain, and absolutely stuff her on the personal loans, but the other debt, non personal, campaign related debt which is to owed all the Americans that provided service in good faith and are still waiting.

No question if thats a debt that needs to be negotiated and paid to remove the garbage that is in the way to get him to the nom, then my money was used for what I donated it for.

No different than paying to take out the trash after a party.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:12 AM
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4. Well IMHO,
Actual campaign debt.....yes, if she quits now.

Payback of self injected personal loans going to a lost cause to destroy the nominee......NO.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:12 AM
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5. Where are people getting the idea that Obama is going to pay Hillary's debts?
She's got plenty of money to pay off her debt herself, like Romney did. In the next year alone Bill will make ten times as much as she owes. Why strap elderly women who are struggling on a fixed income?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:14 AM
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6. I suspect a talking head on CNN or something similar put this out there
And now everybody is running on it as if it's fact. I find the idea of paying off Clinton to shut up and exit the race is more valuable than a month's worth of TV ads...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:17 AM
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10. Huff Po and TPM have brought it up (They're against it)
Terms, II
05.07.08 -- 11:01PM By Josh Marshall
According to the Huffington Post's Tom Edsall and a number of others, one of the possibilities in the offing if Hillary Clinton quickly ends her presidential campaign is that the Obama campaign will not only retire the $10 to $15 million in unpaid campaign related expenses the Clinton campaign owes but will also help the Clinton campaign pay back to the Clintons personally the $11.4 million they have loaned to the campaign during the last three months.

Helping to retire an opponent's campaign is not unprecedented and can sometimes be justified in the interests of party unity. (Remember, this isn't just money in the abstract. A lot of it is payment to people who provided services or goods of various sorts to the campaign and need to be paid or paid back.) But using more than $10 million raised in large part by small individual donations to pay back the Clintons who appear to be worth many tens of millions of dollars simply seems wrong.

This isn't meant to sound ungracious. I don't begrudge the Clintons their very substantial wealth. And even for really, really rich people, $11 million isn't nothing. But that is simply too much money raised from small givers to give to people who loaned it with full knowledge of the odds and have more than enough money to really know what to do with.

Frankly, I'm surprised that it's even being suggested. It would be a mistake for the Clintons to ask (and just because people are chattering about it -- don't assume they have or will), a mistake for Obama to offer and one that would risk a severe backlash.

-snip
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/193872.php
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:20 AM
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11. BTW If you can loan your campaign $11.4 Million doesn't that make you an elitist?
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:15 AM
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7. Geez, would Obama actually do that?
Pay Clinton off to quit?

Geez again. I'm so naive.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:21 AM
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12. Its common practice, not to pay her off, but to retire campaign debt, She cant get HER money back
but the leftover primary funds can be used to pay off debt loads of campaigns, to clear paths for a winning Nominee.

Again this is being spun as paying her off, or paying her personal loans back to her.

It is not and can not be used that way.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:15 AM
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8. HRC dug her hole; she can dig herself out of it.
Also, what does election law say about how candidates can pay off debt? Jusr curious.

And yes...the irony is rich: Someone who claims Obama is elitist has spent, out of her own pockets, roughly the GNP of a small country to keep herself afloat. How she manages to continue to snow the very people you speak of in your post simply astounds me. At least the people you talk to apparently have some common sense.

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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:22 AM
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13. She cant get HER money back, but Americans she stiffed can get paid
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:26 AM
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14. they need to be paid by someone OUTSIDE the Obama Campaign or watch the small donations
dry up!

Let some fat cats pay off her debt or better yet STIFF MARK PENN afterall didn't he help destroy her chances?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:27 AM
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15. Hell, that's the least of our problems now: She's whipping up a "racial divide" in this Country that
may take us back FOURTY FUCKING YEARS! :grr:
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