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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:08 PM
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Howcome No One Ever Cites College Educated Blacks?
Edited on Thu May-08-08 01:13 PM by Symarip
Or Single Latino Women? If they're going to start dividing us up even further (which everyone is brilliantly buying into) then why stop with just whites?


Edited: Sites to Cites in title. I'm hungover.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:10 PM
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1. Right - and what about the Chinese-American Cabal??
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:12 PM
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2. OK, not to be the grammar police
well, maybe I am, but if you're going to refer to college education in your title, you may wish to spell "cites" correctly. I assume the rest was just typos.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:12 PM
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3. cite
not site
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:13 PM
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4. cites
To "site" someone is to put them some place, presumably a workplace. A citation is a quote.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:15 PM
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5. When you take 98% of the African-American population, you figure you get all those with degrees.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:29 PM
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6. he's not getting 98 % of the black vote
Edited on Thu May-08-08 01:49 PM by EffieBlack
There are a number of blacks who are not voting for him.

Who are they? Black women? Upper-income blacks? Blue-collar black men? College-educated blacks?

And how do those black people who are voting for him break down demographically? Are they mostly men or mostly women? How many of them are rural or suburban v. city-dwellers? What age ranges do they fall into?

Unfortunately, we don't know because the media never bothers to break down the demographics of black voters the way they do for white voters. They just lump them together as "black."

Edit: To remove mischaracterization of another poster's comment.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:37 PM
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8. "Oh, that's right. You don't care. They're "black" and that's all the information you need."
What the fuck?

I'd really like an apology for that comment.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:46 PM
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9. I do apologize for the comment - I misread your post.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:48 PM
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12. I readily admit to being misinformed. I was certain I heard a talking head quote 98% for NC.
I was clearly wrong. He took essentially 90% in both IN and NC, just as you said.

I, too, would be curious who that 10% might be.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:56 PM
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34. 91% in NC
When 91% of blacks vote for Obama, I don't think it makes much difference in the overall analysis whether the remaining 9% is women, old, young, less educated, etc. It just doesn't, other than as curiosity. Him winning 91% is all that needs to be said.

With winning 91%, it would be safe to assume that he wins a solid majority across age lines, gender lines, and education lines. There's no way to get 91% and NOT do that.

It is not some racially motivated media bias.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:43 PM
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35. Wow - YOU may not be interested in knowing more about nearly 10% of black Democrats than just that
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:44 PM by EffieBlack
they're black. But I am interested in it, as are, I assume, many others who don't just assume that blacks are a monolith or that they think it's just "safe to assume" how blacks are voting.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:09 AM
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36. I read somewhere that the 10% tend to be women and/or over 50
I looked for it because I was interested.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:27 AM
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38. You can be interested all you want
Nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is that from the standpoint of analyzing election returns and voting patterns, it is immaterial how the remaining 9% of black voters broke out in terms of age, sex, education, income, etc. It makes no difference in the analysis. Sure it would be interesting. But just because you find it interesting does not mean it's germane to the analysis.

And forgive me for saying so, but yes -- when a group of people (blacks in this case) votes 91% for one candidate, I think that can fairly be characterized as monolithic or bloc voting. Also - I am not ASSUMING that as you implied. I am basing it on the fact that 91% voted for a single candidate.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:30 PM
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7. Single college educated Latinas?
:hi:
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:47 PM
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10. I've been wondering how all non-white and non-black Americans are feeling about this
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:44 PM by TragedyandHope
All this back and forth like they don't exist.

But honestly, I think every group that the campaigns and MSM are taking about with such authority all the time are sick and tired of being pigeonholed.

They talk about all of us like we're not in the room.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:22 PM
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22. I think it's funny and typically American thinking
If you consider my demographic as Indian-Americans, we're split 3 ways. But if you slice it down "whitely" into young college educated Indian-American men, we've been strongly supporting Obama right from the beginning.

I'm glad the MSM isn't spewing pure BS about me.


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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:43 PM
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28. That's a good way to look at it
You're one of the lucky ones!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:47 PM
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11. They think us and educated Latinos don't exist...it pisses me off
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dbredes Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:51 PM
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13. You mean those Chablis Drinking...Uppity Blacks?
I think they have...There just not called College Educated...the short name is UPPITY...

Let's see:

1st Barack wasn't black enough
Then he's too black

Then he's an uppity black
Then he associates with ANGRY Blacks

and geesh were'nt uppity blacks...just another word for Republican blacks...a couple of years back...

Hmmmmmmm.................
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dbredes Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:00 PM
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15. And BlueCollar Whites...AKA... Rednecks and Bigots
Hillary successfully captures the Bigot Vote...

Ummm. I mean the blue collar vote...Right

Divide and Conquer...that's what we're seeing here...

It's worked for years...

It's just sad that Hillary Clinton is using this ploy within our "own party"...
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dbredes Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:09 PM
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18. Help Me Help Me - I'm a White Woman - Fighting Against an Uppity Angry Black Man
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:10 PM by dbredes
What self-respecting bigot wouldn't help the "little (white) lady" in distress


Works with all those bigots...Every time...

Hang onto your hats...Next up...West Virginia and Kentucky

Yeehaw!

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:56 PM
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14. We don't exist.
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dbredes Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:02 PM
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17. You count in my playbook...
In my playbook...we have a very big tent...

We are ALL Americans...Good Patriotic Americans...Who love God...and Flag Pins...and yes...do think that our country is on the wrong track ...and not really listening...

listening to me...

listening to you...

You count!! Yes You Do!
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:01 PM
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16. As a degree holding AA I wondered the same thing.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:12 PM
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20. Hillary thinks you don't exist
shameful:(

and even if you do exist, she's more interested in winning votes from 11th grade dropouts who look down on you for getting the college degree they didn't..
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:25 PM
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23. Nail. Hammer. Head.
eom
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:11 PM
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19. Because we don't count. We are in two groups that don't count
in Hillary's American Demographics. :(
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:46 PM
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29. The polling in this race reminds me of how the Census was conducted pre-14th Amendment
Because blacks counted as 3/5 of a person for the purposes of Congressional representation, it was critical that every slave was counted during the Census. But beyond the head count, no one cared who they were.

So, if you study the Census records during this period you will see most Southern plantation households broken down as follows:

Name Gender Race Age
John Smith M W 40
Elizabeth Smith F W 35
William Smith M W 15
Rebecca Smith F W 11

M B 45
F B 18
M B 20
F M 15
F B 3
M B 10
F M 70


This is rather like the manner in which much of the political polling is done today:

White, blue-collar males, over 40
White, college-educated males, over 40
White college-educated women living in the northern suburbs
Steve . . .

Black Voters
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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21. If you make too many of these nice generic labels
at some point you might notice how absurd it is to treat large groups of individuals as if they have no individuality.


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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:27 PM
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24. RACE WAR!!!! w00t! jk - nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 PM
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25. Or blue collar blacks?
I never understand this picture shown over and over that the working class is white.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:34 AM
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39. Yeah, my husband had a real visceral reaction to that white working class crap.
Said, "Guess all us working class blacks are lazy."

He's so angry with Hillary that changes the channel when she is speaking.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 PM
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26. because "white working class" is a code phrase for "whites who don't vote for blacks"
Many working class whites do vote for blacks, of course, but the label is code speak for the racist white voters, many of whom aren't working class at all, but retired.
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dbredes Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:50 PM
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31. Aka - Bigots
Imagine if the media couldn't use Politically correct terms to mask their race-baiting tactics

What would it really sound like?

Hillary Clinton hangs her bonnet on the hope that White Bigots - will turn out to vote for her in West Virginia and Kentucky!

Yeah!!! White Bigots support Clinton!

McCain announced today...that he wasn't going to let the bigot vote slip from his grasp...and vowed to woo their support by renewing his efforts to remove MLK Day as a national holiday all across the country.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:35 PM
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27. yeah. Why can't Hillary win...
the hard working educated white, black, blue, yellow, and green vote? Or the hard working, blue collar non whites? What about those white latte, green tea, wine drinking, Birkenstock, leather upper loafer, high heel, pump wearing some college but no degree demographic?? What about their vote?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:48 PM
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30. What about..
Native Americans,Asians,Arabs,Hispanics and why aren't they dividing these races into different categories such as working class,college educate etc..
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:50 PM
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32. 'How come" is two words, not one.
And so is "hung over."
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:51 PM
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33. Take It Up With the Media
It'd be very, very hard to believe that *at least* one of the campaigns has this covered in their internals.

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not there.
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