I have a question about those hard-working white voters

that have suddenly become the focus of HRC and her campaign... why does she think they would vote for McCain rather than a Democrat in the GE?

Are these not strong Dems?

If they're swing voters, which issue swings them to the GOP side?

If they're values voters, which values do Hillary and McCain share, that Obama doesn't?



Just calling them "hard working white voters" does nothing to illuminate WHY she thinks they won't vote for Obama in the GE.

I think she should be pressed on this issue.

Especially since Obama has handily won several mostly-white states... and I'm pretty sure the whites in those states work just as hard as the whites elsewhere. Perhaps even harder.

which is that if you are white you CAN NOT vote for Obama. Then after McCain royally screws up Hillary can come back in 2012 and get to fulfill her dream (that she cotinually sucked it for for 30whatever years)

This latest attempt to rationalize the spin that she's somehow the stronger candidate is possibly the least logical one she's used so far.

teh Mountain West (that is why Denver is the sight of the convention)

and


Can whomever the Dem nominee is can they hold the traditional white male Dem voters line? Can they get the same number (about 40%) that usually vote Dem to vote and vote Dem. If any portion of that goes away so could go Wisconsin Minnesota PA possibly Oregon and Washington state.

Didn't Obama win Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Washington?

And he's projected to win Oregon, too... right?

:shrug:

that is just voters and some of those voters include the NON-WHITES as well as lazy layabouts who have nothing better to do than go to caucuses...n stuff

Or something like that.

Personally I think that Obama will crush in the GE. Hillary would win too but he will crush -race or not doesn't matter people want change or at least to send a message THAT has been a large part of his initial appeal.

She means ignorant racist hicks.

I really hate this part. It's toxic.

a few days after we first met we got into a political discussion. We were talking about Bush and he looked at me and said "that asshole stole the election and brought the country to it's knees". I must have had a look on my face because he looked at me and said "Hey just because my name is Bubba doesn't mean I'm a moron". :rofl: He is one of my best friends now...

:rofl:

crankychatter <<< tries to relate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5885383

what do you think?

Despite what all the liars here say. She referred to hard-working voters and white voters. But there's no point in even trying to argue this point any more. The Obama pitbulls have latched on to the lie of the day and will run with it all day. You guys are shameless.

working (Americans)

hard-working Americans

white Americans

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I would sincerely like an answer, MF. Even though you've called me shameless, and said other less-than-civil things to me personally over the course of this primary, I'm not going to respond in kind to you.

I sincerely took those pauses not as indications that she was addressing separate groups, but that she was clarifying as she went along. If I'm wrong so be it. I am not intentionally lying, nor am I shameless.

And the sad thing is, they're only hurting themselves and the party. All this race talk on the part of Obama supporters is not likely to woo these people.

I really don't think so.

"hard-working voters, white voters...." which implies she mean both descriptions to apply to the same people. If she had meant two separate groups she would have put an "and" in there.

It sounded like she was qualifying "hard-working voters." I sure hope it was an unfortunate choice of words, but I doubt it.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article that she said "found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

When my parents were living, they were both what you would call "working class/mainstream/moderate Dems. Here goes, many of them carry old fashioned traditional Christian values, many are anti-abortion or at least not pro choice, many are extremely "America, love it or leave it" types, very proud of the flag and other symbolic things, many are against the legalization of any drug, although most think it would be acceptable to de-criminalize some drugs. Many do not want any type of government interference in teaching their kids about sex, not teachings in schools, they want to do this themselves. There are other things I could list but I am hoping other will jump in here.

I mean that sincerely... hard to find these days. :)

So... HRC is pro-choice, and so is Obama... so that can't be it.

Patriotism is a toss-up (Hillary married someone who's pro-America credentials are suspect to anyone who would even consider voting for McCain).

Drugs... doubt it could be that.

I just don't see how Hillary could be closer to McCain that Obama (and therefore would get the votes if she weren't in the race)... I really don't get it.

and trying to pin point one thing is just way too hard. This might help. My dad voted for Bush 1. He died before the next election. I think he might have voted for Bill Clinton. He would have hated GWB, mostly for the excess spending, wiretapping and patriot act. Too much "Guv't interference." He would probably like John McCain.

If not, why does she think she can win these voters and he can't?

she is seen as a fighter and while that may be everything Obama supporters hate about her, that is the very thing Moderate Dems love about her.

White, working class people did well in the 90s. She knows that, which is why she was running on his record. But it's a primary. Just because they voted for her in the primary, that doesn't mean they wouldn't vote for Obama in the GE. I don't understand that argument. What she's really saying is that all white, working class voters are closet racists. Frankly, as a white, working class voter who supports Obama, I'm offended!

I'm sure there are some Dems who will vote for McCain because of Obama's race ... but I don't believe for one second that they make up the majority of white, working class voters. I'm willing to bet that most of them will vote for the candidate with the "D" after their name, no matter who it is.

I don't see this latest line of argument that her campaign is using as logical at all.

If someone can explain it, I'd be grateful.

It was vague. It seemed you were saying she was playing on people's fears.

on edit: What is "you're toast, baby" supposed to mean?

Sorry to hear that for ya.

West Virginia is almost all white, and most of the state thinks of itself as working white folks.

She's shilling for votes in those two states, and that's why her message is now WHITE WORKERS.

She's being racist, of course, as she has been for some time, trying to work that wedge in.

In fact after the stuff she said today I'm reserving $200 bucks to send to whatever democrat challenges her in the primaries

because he is afraid that Obama will make everything about blacks, whatever that means. He has stated he will support him if he is the nominee. Workers are not dumb.

"He'll give everything to the blacks." :eyes: But like you said ... they will vote for him if he gets the nomination. McCain isn't even an option.

I also have a 90 year old aunt who refused to even consider voting for Obama because of his race. :-( However, she's voted Dem all her life and has already said that there's no way she will vote for McCain. She would sooner stay home. I'm going to try to get her out for Obama, but it's not easy to change the long-held beliefs of a 90 year old. :-(

of their values and strengths. I'm also seeing the excuse of he's a muslim, koran, and such to cover up this deeper fact.

A shame such views still exist in 2008 but such ignorance is dying out.

She thinks working class white people without college educations are racists.

Even though she has spent much of the campaign trying to bribe the working class with jobs, tax credits and now gas tax credits, clearly she must be saying those people are voting for her, not because of her bribes, but because her opponent is non-white.