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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:25 PM
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Poll question: Who would Obama's most SUCCESSFUL running mate be among Democratic voters?
Please note this is not "among DUers" but among Democratic voters. Hence Kucinich's absence.

I'm also excluding Al Gore and Hillary Clinton, for what should be obvious reasons.

Again, please note this is not "who do you like most" but who would be most successful.

Thanks! :hi:

(in case you're wondering, I got the first four from this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3301464 and the rest from this blog http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=1760 )


Disclaimer: Yeah, I know running mate doesn't win elections. Still, who might give the biggest boost?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:27 PM
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1. Napolitano, Sebelius, McCaskill,
They're as good as some of the men you've got listed.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:33 PM
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7. It's not my list, really
Got it from DUers and the first blog I found. I'm lazy that way :P
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:41 PM
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19. If you repeat conventional wisdom
You end up with convention. Some of the names on that list are hysterical - Mitchell? Hamilton? Casey, but not Kaine? And no women. We have to fight this white male dominated thinking.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:48 PM
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24. Then feel free to make your own poll
I'm just going with likely possibilities to get a semi-meaningful answer.

As has been pointed out below, a female running mate is just not a likely possibility in this election.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:57 PM
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31. no because it's a male chauvanist pig country!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:33 PM
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8. Yes they are, but not as high on name recognition --
Plus, my feeling is that it will have to be a white guy. Adding a woman or a minority would be trying to break TWO glass ceilings and I don't think that would be successful in garnering some of the votes we need.

Those who are hesitant about Obama because they believe he's not experienced enough, or because he's black, would need somebody they viewed as "safe", tough and experienced.

This is about strategy at this point, and we can't forget whose votes we need to win --

Although I wish it wasn't like that in real life, it is. The great thing is we have a lot of REALLY GOOD experienced white guys who could help the ticket.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 PM
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2. What about Casey?
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:29 PM
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3. Choice #9, already there
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:30 PM
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4. The biggest appointment the Dem Nominee could announce
is General Clark as Secretary of State. Then it would not matter who the president or vice presidential candidate would be.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:36 PM
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13. I don't think even an outside-the-box person like Obama would do that
Announce Secy of State before VP?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:38 PM
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17. Your'e right but
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:40 PM by BOSSHOG
I don't care who the P and VP are (as long as they are (D)) as long as General Clark is SECSTATE. That position will be incredibly important after the fucking disaster piled on the state department by rice and her bosses.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:32 PM
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5. Why don't you have HOWARD DEAN on the list --- ??? !!! ????
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:32 PM
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6. The line-up is really meager . . . we must have more than this --- ??? !!! !!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:34 PM
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10. I like Edwards . . . and would seem to be compatible with Obama . ..
OK on Biden, Richardson --- Dodd???

but not a smash hit -- I'd like to hear who Obama is thinking of and NO DLC'ers ... PLEASE!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:34 PM
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11. Former Sen. Sam Nunn is more of a neo-con Republican . . .
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:35 PM
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12. Howard Dean? Not listed in the two links in my OP
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:38 PM by kay1864
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:33 PM
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9. Two senators on a ticket is suicide.
And Sam Nunn makes me nauseous.

Richardson or Clark seem to be the most sensible choices. My only reservations about Clark are based on his loyalty to the Clintons. If she decides to work against Obama to put the country through 4 more years of shit for her own selfish ambitions, I'd be really hesitant to have any of her close allies on the ticket.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:36 PM
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14. It won't be Richardson
although I'd love to see that.

The Party wouldn't put two minorities on the ticket. Like it or not, we have to win over a bunch of REALLY white Republicans to vote for our side.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:43 PM
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22. Do they even KNOW Richardson is a "minority"??
Seriously, I've actually had to tell people that Richardson was Latino. They thought he had a good tan because he lives in New Mexico.

If they're already voting for "a black guy" because they like what he stands for, would they really be opposed to "the Mexican guy" with a solid resume??

Maybe it's my liberal optimism talking here, but if they're already halfway there, I don't see Richardson as the deal-breaker.

The hardcore racists aren't going to be voting for Obama - or any Democrat for that matter.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:54 PM
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28. Richardson adds toughness.
This guy has negoiated with dictators. He also layed out the Iraq exit strategy. If not VP I'd like to see him as Secretary of State.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:45 PM
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40. Yeah - they would be opposed.
The biggest issue (read: threat) to Republicans for a while was Illegal Immigration.

If people don't know his heritage now, they will if he's named VP candidate.

And those who are voting for Obama would be just fine with Richardson. I'm saying those who might be threatened by a black guy (whether they even acknowledge it to themselves or not), might be comforted by a "safe" white guy on the ticket.

And I agree, the hardcore racists aren't even a consideration.

I've learned that not everybody thinks like me --which is too bad :7, and just because I think they are wrong about a lot of things, doesn't change the reality.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:38 PM
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16. But Clark's views
seem to be closer to Obama's than Clinton's.

Aside from his personal loyalty to Big Dog, Clark is actually a better fit politically with Obama.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:37 PM
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15. Clark
4 star General (ret), extremely intelligent, proven leader, provides link to Clinton camp (healing the divide). He'd provide balance in more than one way, and would be respected by virtually everyone, even Repubs.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:40 PM
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18. Maybe I'm just stupid
But what is the obvious reason for not including Hillary?
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:45 PM
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23. Two that come to mind...
1. Obama won't want her, given the attack ads/acrimony from her campaign.
2. He won't want her (or she won't want to be in the "second tier" position), given her desire to be the leader/commander in chief

And a third that someone else posted above: two minorities* on a ticket won't be successful.


* Statistically women probably are not a minority in the US, but you know what I meant
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:50 PM
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26. I don't think it's nearly as far fetched as you think
In addition, if you say you can't have two minorities why did you include Richardson in your poll?
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:54 PM
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27. I'm not saying it, someone upthread is
And his "minority" status is also discussed.

Aside from that, I think the first two reasons are dang strong ones. I really really really can't see it happening.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:00 PM
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36. The negative impression that most seem to have of her...
and her affinity for the "old time politics" that Obama's grassroots supporters are sick and tired of.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:41 PM
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20. Tough choice
but I'd have to say either Clark or Richardson. Clark would appeal to Southerners and those who are pro-military. Richardson brings in Latino votes. Both gentlemen have foreign policy experience, which I think is needed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:42 PM
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21. Brian Schweitzer. (nt)
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:43 PM by redqueen
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:49 PM
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25. Good answer!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:52 PM by kay1864
Wish I'd thought of that on my own. Very impressed with him on 60 Minutes a few months back.

Hey, it could happen...





And hey, what are you doing sneaking out of the Lounge? :P
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:57 PM
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32. havocmom mentioned him
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:59 PM by redqueen
I'm trying to talk her into doing an OP to introduce him to the forum, I wanna get his name out there.

:hi:
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:00 PM
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34. Lucky you!
Very bright and articulate and forward-thinking. Need lots more politicians like him.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:01 PM
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37. Heheh...
I misspoke... I meant "introduced" in a "now I know who he is" kind of way.

I thought better of that wording and edited. D'oh. :blush:
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:04 PM
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39. Oh well then you have to see the 60 Minutes segment
If you haven't seen it already:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/24/60minutes/main1343604.shtml





And then we simply must exchange cornflake fried chicken recipes.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:50 PM
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41. I'd LOVE that! And I think America would love him, too! nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:01 PM
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42. Would it be presumptuous or pushy...
to send a note to the campaign directly, suggesting him for consideration?

:7
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:55 PM
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29. why is it obvious?
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:57 PM
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33. See post #23 above
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:55 PM
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30. While I believe Clark would be the most "successful", I don't think he is interested at all.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:01 PM
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38. He might change his mind if asked
Dunno, really. But he was one of the few on both lists.

:shrug:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:00 PM
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35. Mark Warner could be the silver bullet in Obama's chamber, if we had someone to run for the Senate
in his place. Otherwise if VA has a Lieberman rule he can run for Both and Kane can appoint someone solid to replace him.
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