Any female that does NOT vote for the Democratic Nominee...

Deserves the wrath of every woman in this entire country. Instead of giving your sisters, daughters and granddaughters the right to control their own bodies... you'll be damning then the hell of the extreme christian right. Nice "progressive" values you claim to have, shoving women back into the 70's. Its repulsive. Its abhor able. Its disgusting.

You might as well just give these out for Christmas next year:


Shame on you. Your petty selfishness makes me sick.

On edit: My title said "candidate" I meant "nominee" edit for clarity.

but I don't appreciate the implied threat. "If you don't vote for Obama, just wait and see what happens!"

That much is absolutely true. Its not an implied threat... its a FACT.

woman and standing up for her if you wanted women to stand up for you. I guess young women will just have to fight the fight WE fought all over again. They've never had to fight for much and enjoyed making fun of the older women, so they are on their own as far as I'm concerned.

if that makes you sick....GOOD!

based only on their gender was sexist.

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You need it a lot more.

Isn't that sexist?

never said a word about voting for her. You can stand up for someone and support them without voting for them. Women who think it's fine for the female candidate to be called a bitch, cunt, whore, etc are disgusting.

when did she ever say it was fine?

Do you think a Constitutional amendment will pass 2/3rd of Congress? Do you think it will get through 2/3rd of the state legislatures? I'm sure you'll be fine if you have a car and can get to either Canada or Mexico, but you'll be leaving behind a hell of a lot of poor women with no reproductive rights. Congratulations.

I am (a rich) woman! Hear me roar!

Am just awestruck at the inhumanity.

Now we will see how well they do at selecting the leadership that can actually keep men's laws off their bodies.

Should Roe V. Wade be overturned just get your passport out and go on an unusual vacation.

For those who can't, well, blame the people who voted McLame in.

If we have a good dem win in the Senate and House, it won't matter who the president is.

And that's exactly the point.

NGU.

:shrug:

or Not vote at all are the ones Im talking to.

I'm voting for the democratic candidate, I don't believe in wire hangers for anything. ;)

And thats my point. No progressive female should damn another woman to that. Ever.

I watched the Republican debate to see what those fools had to say for themselves. ALL of them - including McCain - went on and on about wanting to appoint judges like Scalia, Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court. Don't trust me on this. Please go ahead and do some internet research about how these folks think and vote. Roe v. Wade will be overturned with the next conservative judge, it only survived the last challenge because Sandra Day O'Connor was on the Court.

primary, "just wait and see what happens when we sit it out and McCain wins". That is a far more horrible threat than explaining that if Clinton supporters do, out of spite or disappointment, enable a McCain presidency, terrible things can happen.

McCain MUST be defeated by a Democrat. Period. A lot of people will have to come to terms with their absolute favorite Democrat not winning the nomination. Its going to be very disappointing. Still, we need to get beyond the nominee and defeat McCain IF we care about important issues such as women's rights.

So, yes, if you don't vote for Obama in the GENERAL ELECTION, your inaction could contribute to a McCain presidency. That would be HORRIBLE.

vote for him anyway?

more specifically, what do I do... continue to support a party that I feel walked away from me?

I have always said so. Among the many reasons is that I refuse to allow McCain to destroy the lives of millions of women for generations to come.

Either that or start passing out the hangers. Whats more important to you?

and yes, i believe whole heartedly that the Obama campaign intentionally painted the Clintons as racists.


and I am not saying that i will vote for mccain, i wont do that, but i will write in Hillary to lodge my protest vote.

But as a progressive female, I wont damn the future of womens freedom to McCain. Will you?

could you possibly be any more histrionic?

Guess you whiny babies will have to stand up and fight for those rights yourself.

Right?

I suppose you're OK with enabling McCain at the cost of generations of women. And all because You're upset that Hillary lost. If you dont see the twisted selfishness in that I dont know what to say.

Damn right I'll stand up for womens rights. Sad that you wont.

I'm guessing you think Obama would appoint judges who would not overturn Roe V Wade?
Didn't he change the wording on his website concerning abortion because it offended someone who does not believe in a women's right to privacy or a woman's right to make decisions about her own body?
I'm not convinced that he will support women in any way.

Voting Record:
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
2007: 100 percent
2006: 100 percent
2005: 100 percent

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women.

"I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html

Any Dem of the original 8 would be against that, and no Rethug.

would vote for McCain... but how do i let the party know that I am pissed and that they dont automatically get my vote?

Not vote for Clinton?

you guys are unreal. You condemned Hillary for using scare tactics.

I don't have any daughters or granddaughters.

Thanks for nothing.

fight your own fight. You guys stood by and watched a woman get slammed as a fucking whore, bitch, cunt, etc. You can't stand up for other women don't expect them to stand up for you. Karma's a bitch.

Its called being confident enough to not need saving.

Oh No! The world didnt explode because someone called Hillary a bitch. Who fucking cares? What names has W been called? A President should be able to handle it.

and if that doesn't bother you you are no feminist. If you can't stand up for another woman don't expect them to stand up for you. And all your tough bluster doesn't impress me.

I learned that in second grade. Its stuck. Sorry my strength offends you.

I refuse to be that "girl" who cries about being called a cunt. Thats the great thing about self-confidence. Some people have it. Some people dont.

I'm not impressed by all your self-proclaimed toughness. It's about dignity and demanding that the minimum of civility be extended to one of our Democratic candidates. You'd sing a different tune if it were people using racial slurs directed at Obama and if you say different I call bullshit.

You're strength couldn't possibly offend me because I don't think you have any. I think you have a thin veneer of bullshit bravado.

Hey, this should come as no shock to you, Ive been called a cunt before and I didnt and dont care.

I also think prostitution should be legal and worked as a stripper (proudly and by choice).

Obviously... we are women of completely different stripes. To each our own.

people really respect those who stand back and allow themselves to be verbally abused. Oh, yeah, being a stripper and a prostitute is something to be proud of whether you're male or female. let's exploit our bodies for male gratificaiton.:eyes:

But let me clue you in on something. I made 2k a week as a stripper. It wasnt ME that was being exploited. It was the jackass men that handed over their money to me FOR NOTHING.

Women are NOT always the victim. Why do you insist on painting us as such? Let me guess... I'm so weak and stupid that I dont know I was really a victim. Come on.

So.. on one hand women are stupid little victims... but on the other "girl power" ?? It cant go both ways. Either you trust women to make their own decision or you dont.

Choose.

I just disagree with your choice. I think it's demeaning for a women to take off her clothes to titillate men.

You felt ok with slinging your coat hanger shit...don't dish out what you aren't willing to take.

back the fuck off and grow the fuck up.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE HER.

to judge everything Hillary does as somehow evil so I'll just take the same liberties.

You BACK THE FUCK OFF.

so don't put words in my mouth.

I am a young woman and an Obama supporter, and I stood up and called Obama supporters on DU out whenever they used language that I thought was sexist. So I kind of resent you saying that my reproductive rights don't matter to you because you did not get your way. Way to be a team player.

vote for the Democrat. How hard is that?

We vote in our best interest, which is the same as voting for the Democratic party candidate.
The nominee may not be our first choice, but is now our best choice in the November elections.
If we don't vote for the Democrat, we deserve a Bush third term. Please don't do that to America.

Kerry took the nomination. He was close to my last chance among the candidates (though not my last). i thought he ran a nasty, dirty-trick filled primary campaign and was even less in favor of him by the time he was the nominee. I not only voted for him the the GE, I did rapid response work on his behalf during the GE.

I have a crappy Representative (Heath Shuler). I voted for him because he opposed an even worse incumbent Republican. And I'll vote for him again because he's opposed by another Republican who's crappier than he is.

I'm unhappy (though not feeling hoodwinked) that my choice for a Senate Democratic candidate to oppose Dole lost to one I consider inferior and far too right-wing for my taste. I'll contribute to her and vote for her and possibly work for her campaign. Do I truly support her? No. But she would oust Dole if she won.

I could go on forever here -- you get the point.

We have a flawed, imperfect system -- sometimes candidates win for the right reasons, some for the wrong. Sometimes our chosen candidates win, sometimes they lose.

Until we come up with a better system (like a viable 3rd party!), are you going to be part of the solution when it comes to stopping Bush policies or are you going to help hand the election to McBush and thus be part of the problem?

Kerry was not my first pick in 04...or my second pick for that matter. I felt strongly enough about it to still do volunteer work for MoveON to help put a democrat in the WH that is the most important part.

Not many people are listening to the "LET THE SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS GET SOME DISTANCE" pleas from the Obama camp judging by this thread.

and I imagine there will be even more that feel that way if she runs for re-election in 2012. What would you recommend they do if Hillary has a strong Republican challenger in 2012 that is pro-war (or at least, more pro-war than Hillary), anti-choice, anti-enviroment, etc?

Personally, I think Hillary is an awful candidate and a mediocre human being, but I never for ONE SECOND thought about not voting for her if she was our nominee. I remember when people thought Bush wouldn't be that bad. Yikes.

I couldn't live with myself if I just let McCain win without a fight.

candidated who could have won over McCain.

You get it too! If Hill is playing for 2012, she has already betrayed our collective female asses! She needs to set shit aside and truly support Obama. Otherwise, she is no feminist, no matter what Steinem and Moore say.

How old are you? Are you not aware of the GOP's platform???

ever since Reagan. I think one more Supreme Court Justice would do it for sure.

And if it's John McCain doing it, the picture is about as pretty as the image that coathanger brings up.

Im so sick of "progressive" women screaming they wont vote for Obama. The truth is hard for them to accept... I know. Too fucking bad. This is no joke.

right now, lots of people are still fired up. Men and women alike. We've all been invested in our own candidates for the better part of two years, nobody has had a shot at unwinding. I think, in the end, we all know the stakes here. ("we" meaning Democrats as a whole and Progressives in particular.) Now is the time to vent a little, but when our emotions settle down, I think virtually all of HRC's supporters, along with the rest of us, will unite around Obama. The SC is just one particular issue that is too important to leave to a President McCain.

My gawd! Whats at stake is much bigger than ego. I hope you're right. I hope people come around.

this one,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5830196

I heard from Obama supporters screaming that they'd never vote for Clinton, despite how important this election is.

I saw similar "I won't vote" screams at times when people just mentioned the possibility of Hillary being Obama's VP.

So it's a problem on both sides. Not just Hillary supporters who won't vote for Obama.

These candidates are very similar, and I'm sick of the all-out warfare between some of their supporters.

It would be VERY hard for me to vote for Clinton. But for the other women in the country... I'd suck it up and do it.

The illogical hate needs to stop.

The selection of the next Supreme Court justice is just too damned important. I came of age when abortion was illegal, and I have no desire to revisit those Bad Old Days. McSame would take us back there in a heartbeat.

At this point I'd rather eat three-day-old sushi than vote for Senator Clinton, but you can bet if she's the nominee I'll be in that booth putting a great big X next to her name. Hell, I'd even put her bumpersticker on my car, and spend the day before the election calling folks to urge them to vote for her.

It's just too freaking important to keep another Republican out of the White House for me to act like a spoiled brat.

*Some folks* are just batshit insane. :eyes:

just as much of mistake as the Clinton supporters who won't support Obama. They are putting anger over the primary over actual issues, which is what the right wing would love us to do.

but no way would Hillary put up a RWer like Scalia, Alito, Roberts or Thomas for a nomination to SCOTUS. Hillary is far too moderate and progressive on judicial issues and women's rights. But I never mentioned Hillary, and she will not be the nominee anyway, so I'm not sure why you decided to ask me your question and along the lines that you did?

...or fail to vote Democratic, regardless the candidate.

I apologize.

In fact... I think its disgusting. You're misunderstanding my post.

THAT was why I self deleted... and apologized.

I did not mean to cause distress.

I mis-read your entire op... THUS, the delete.

I believe ANY woman who votes for a repug is terribly misinformed, --- at the very least.

AMEN AGAIN.

The Religious Right have already TRIED to take us back to the dark ages. McCain will further that agenda.

even if the life of the Mother is at stake, rape or incest

there were many of them. Yet suddenly, women at DU would rather support McCain?! It pisses me of SO much that I can hardly deal.

You are not correct. She said she would write in "Clinton". Why do you feel it's alright to demand that someone vote for your candidate? We all have the right to vote for whomever we choose. It's nobody's business but our own.

Has it occurred to any of you that many of us believe Obama would be a horrible and deadly mistake for this country, and that he should be defeated at all costs. If we do not believe as you, we are spat upon, chastised and bullied to death. To hell with you. It appears some corrections in our government need to be made.

... round it using Hillmath. :rofl:

even though I normally object to the using of Hillary or Obama's names as a pejorative, but saying it's pretty close is just too funny. :)

:-(

sexist nastiness aimed at Hillary Clinton makes ME sick. Guess we're even.

There have been 40 million 'sexist' threads on DU. This isnt one of them. Thanks.

but I'm not surprised you don't get it.

Up thread youre stomping off because nobody rescued your "super tough fighter" when somebody called her a bitch.

And your answer is "fuck all women then". Its clear where you stand.

rescuing. That's your word choice, not mine. If you can't stand up and say it's wrong to call another woman a cunt, bitch and whore I personally think you're a poor excuse for a woman. I'm sure it is clear where I stand since I made it perfectly clear. I'm not going to wring my hands and worry about women who can't be bothered to stand up for other women. So yeah, fuck em.

And I'M the poor excuse? Nice try.

nice try at spin. I fought for that very choice that women have taken for granted. Women who then turned around and spit on the women of the very generation who saw that they had legal abortions as an option.

Obama and his supporters have no use for the baby boomers..... then fight your own fucking battles cause I don't owe YOU or HIM or the Democratic Party jack shit.

And Ive never had an abortion. In fact... I cant even HAVE children. I dont even GET that choice.

So, I'm not fighting for myself. I'm not fighting for whats been done in the past. Im fighting for the women of the future.

Fuck it. You cant understand my POV.

And hey, it MIGHT JUST NOT BE the person you support.
Tough. Shit.

Rights are rights.

Men should share that belief just as much as women.

But women damning other women is more prominent. And worse. Especially when many of them claim to be feminists. Its an insult.

for the Democratic nominee...better enjoy a McLame presidency.

Obama's so incredible he can do it without us. If he can't I guess he isn't so friggin' wonderful.

Who are "you guys" and who is "us"

I am confused.

:rofl:

Justice John Paul Stevens is 88 years old.

I rest my case.

Enough with the coercion!!!

People will vote whichever way they choose. This constant arm twisting is annoying!!!

And very brave of you to lay it on the line like this.

I'm not voting for, or against, Roe v Wade in November. If you wanted to earn the vote of every non-republican woman in November, you should have nominated a less divisive candidate.

Don't drag out the hyperbole to excuse that error.

Shame on you. Your willingness to use women's reproductive safety as campaign spin makes me sick.

:puke:

I'll celebrate Mom's day with my 69 yo mom on Sunday. The mom I almost lost to an illegal abortion when I was just 3. She survived, damaged enough to ensure that I was an only child. I've never forgotten the trauma, and the fear that she wouldn't ever come out of the hospital that patched her back together. That memory endures. Your hateful use of the horrific experiences of my mother and women like her tempts me to stray from the path of pacifism.

May you choke on your rhetoric of hate, sooner rather than later.

Is it because he's a man or because he's black? It's been said a thousand times already that he and Clinton share very similar positions on most things. You've seen him on TV, you know he gives Hillary MUCH MUCH more credit than she'll ever give him. So what is it? Really?

Explain to me why he deserves the scorn of all non-republican women...

The OP doesn't own the market on bullshit hyperbole. The Hillary supporters are on a fucking rampage around here since it's more or less been determined that Obama has this wrapped up.

It's not his gender or race, which are irrelevant, imo.

Please note that I did not say he "deserved the scorn of all non-republican women."

The OP's statement, "any female that does NOT for the Democratic nominee," refers to 100% of the female voting population, INCLUDING republican women.

I excluded them in my remarks, because I think we can assume that all republican women won't vote for the nominee, no matter who it is.

Also note that I did not say anything about Obama at all. We don't have a nominee yet.

I consider BOTH of the current two candidates to be divisive. Want evidence? Take a look at this farce of a primary. Please don't tell me that you can't see the division. It comes from both candidates, and from the supporters of both.

Since you asked, Obama IS divisive. While he reaches across to buddy up with republicans, conservatives, corporatists, and religion with his rhetoric and his platform, he alienates many BASE groups. GLBT, teachers, liberal activists, especially those who participated in the "excesses of the 60s and 70s," and MANY left/progressive voters who are actually "hoping" for PROGRESSIVE "change," rather than a neoliberal agenda.

And yes, I know he has many supporters within those groups, too. Who else are they going to choose? There is no good choice. So there are those who suck it up, and those who simply refuse to choose "the lesser of two evils." In the primary, it's all about who you judge to be the "lesser."

All of which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

The point of this thread is to invoke fears for reproductive safety to vilify every woman in the country who doesn't vote for the neoliberal nominee.

I stand by my remarks.

He is PRO reproductive rights. PRO choice and ALWAYS has been. Women have the right to vote however they see fit. but If women are willing to vote for Lame McCain over Obama or not vote at all then I cannot understand how they can call themselves democrats. Men for that matter too. The Democratic party is the party of reproductive rights.

I believe what the OP is getting at is that whether the candidate was HRC or Obama, in the end, it's petty to say you won't vote for somebody just because your particular candidate lost, because issues like Roe v Wade and who the next president appoints to the SC are too important. Better than either Obama or Hillary makes those decisions than McCain. It just so happens that in this instance, Obama is going to be the nominee. Barring catastrophe.

Do you think that only Hillary will appoint judges that won't overturn Roe? Do you think that Obama will appoint another Scalia or Roberts? If only a woman could protect Roe, it would have been overturned long ago. I haven't seen a female President yet, have you? We have to vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever gets the nod.

He has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL.

movement that is destroying our country. Luckily, many conservatives and Republicans aren't happy with McCain, so maybe they will counteract the anti-Democrat Democrats. The difference is, at least the Republicans appear to be voting against McCain based on his stances on some issues. Too many Democrats seem to be angry over the primaries and are putting issues on the back-burner, which is a shame.

chickens may come home to roost for the Obama zealots.

There needs to be a movement to use coat hangers with a McCain logo on them.

What else, other than gays, will Republicans use to bring their base to the polls? Honestly, it's the perfect wedge issue. Wedge issues give people something to bitch about, and this keeps people voting. Republicans would actually have to run on their merits if they don't have abortion, and that doesn't mean much.

until there is a better option - I'll stick with the Dems.

This is no time to play martyr to the vagina. If you really gave a shit you'd recognize the irony in throwing EVERY woman's choice and health under the bus with your give me Hillary or go fuck yourselves attitude. That is all that your ranting boils down to IMHO.


"A mind is like a parachute. If it doesn't open, you're fucked!"

legislatively, and legally - as lawyer, I know that no president all by him or herself can cause abortion rights to disappear, nor even by the most clever appointments and sneakiness cause those rights to be lost forever. The ability to choose reproductive rights by women can only be lost if we women quit fighting and beating the hell out of anyone who gets in our face to try to make our choice for us. I am not that kind of pansy, nor do I rely on the "wisdom" of my "leaders" to always do the right thing. Sometimes they do, lots of times they don't, so rights are never ever set in stone - not by Roe alone, not by pandering elected officials...you get the rights you are willing to hold on to, no matter what obstacles later get placed in your way.

As an independent, I don't vote party as my first rule - I find all parties have an idea or two or three that are repugnant to me. So I vote my common sense, and weigh the lesser of all candidate evils. While I feel up to fighting for pro-choice from now until I am way more elderly and on life support, I will never in my freaking life vote for someone with Senator Clinton's character issues, nor for a candidate who put her racism into her own words and tried to cage votes with it. And this from a democrat - that just ices me. That has absolutely inflamed me beyond anything that cheesed me off before this.

That said, I thankful beyond measure that the choice in candidates never came down to Huckabee vs. Hillary. I'd likely wrap that f'g coathanger around my neck if I woke up and saw those choices on the ballot in the fall.

about a HEALTH ISSUE.

Shame on any female DUMB AS A BOX OF FUCKING HAMMERS if she can't figure out that O would appoint "moderate" judges (aka conservatives) to rebuff any criticism of himself with an eye to his next contest.

Of course, you won't have to worry about that, because he will NEVER be a president of the United States. COUNT ON IT.

What makes you say that?

Good luck with your McCain campaign. May he give you everything you hope for.

I'm a woman kind of tired of the way things are going for all of us here in the current decade, and the idea of being "shoved back into the 70's" doesn't sound so bad.

:shrug:


There was no internet back then. Yet we - ordinary American citizens - were far more effective at organizing and being heard in Washington, DC, than we are today.

Not only that, but women were being encouraged more and more to speak with their own, independent voices rather than harassed for the diversity of their views or told how they should vote back in the day. In fact, the first female candidate for president ran in 1972. She was also black.

Go figure.

The passage of time in and of itself doesn't equal progress. We would do well to learn the lessons of the open minds and dedicated hearts of those who led social change movements in the ancient old 1970's, IMHO.























Enough said. Carry on with the coat hangers and petty selfishness speeches.

:)

I also saw the women on Anderson Cooper. Vote for McCain? MCCAIN??!! Wow..... so opposite of our candidates. I realise that some are angry that his/her candidate will not be running, but these people are willing to jeopardize their daughter's, sons, grandchildren's futures because their candidate wasn't chosen? Because some internet people hurt their feelings? Talk about holding grudges and being totally self absorbed.

Obama never called Clinton any of those hideous names. He is pro-choice. I don't see or hear the sexism that other women have, but I do realise that personal experiences also change everyone's perceptions of things that they hear and see. Other than that, i'll never get it. It seems like a huge case of sour grapes. One that may hurt the future of young people all over the country.

Guilt? Hell yes, I'll push it. If you don't care - fine - but it will affect us all in the end. If nothing else, think of yourself, something that some of you are very good at.

As your post suggest this is all about ego so in that respect it is the ego we have to appeal to. Are they empowered or disemboweled in our party?

Every time women are about to be screwed politically for the umpteenth time the cry always goes out " But what about Roe v. Wade!" I'm sick of it.

We boomers are past needing Roe v. Wade. You younger generation let all the hard work we did in the 70's go down the drain, claiming that you're liberated, but Honey, you don't know what liberated is. I guess you'll have to learn the hard way.

And the number of times I read some Obama supporter tell a Clinton supporter to go whine somewhere else because you don't need us finally sunk through. If you don't need us, well, I'm gonna go find someone who does.

And as for coat hangers? Maybe for you. But my feminist friends have a Underground and anybody we care about who needs a safe abortion will get one. But if you were a feminist you might know about that.

The irony of all of this is that I was really, really trying to find a reason to vote Obama. This just makes it more and more difficult.

We are a couple of Supreme Court votes away from turning over control of law to rightwing ideologues who want to turn back the clock 5 decades.

Now you are threatening us with hangers?

Good Goddess, what's next?

I think it more of a promise if McCain becomes president.

All women will be victims if the give us Hillary or screw you crowd tries to hold our vaginas hostage while threatening not to vote for the democratic nominee.

I'm really sick of hearing it.

Given Obama's oft expressed desire to "come together" with the repubs I see no reason to believe that Obama wouldn't throw that principle under the bus along with his mother, grandmother and all the other principles he's thrown away.