Renounce Hillary Clinton’s racism

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TPM Reader AB is having a hard time reconciling Hillary’s remarks on Obama’s support among working class whites:

It seems to me that every progressive voice in this country should be outraged - jumping up and down - shouting in print and word - to repudiate Hillary Clinton’s remarks that Obama “is having trouble winning over blue collar “white” voters… “white Americans”…It is a disgraceful, shameful tactic to justify her own non-candidacy. This is a remark I would expect from a politician from Mississippi or Louisiana - not from our New York State senator… I am outraged, I am deeply embarrassed that my children have heard this reported on the news…and I regret that have I ever gave her one hard earned nickel.

All the while she touts the glass ceiling as a woman but when her chips are down, the racism springs forth fully formed."

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<AB is right. Maybe it’s general campaign fatigue, or the sense that the race is all but over now, but a month ago her remarks would have been a huge story, the dominant political story of the day.

The political press spent weeks trying to divine whether the Clinton camp was really attempting to cast Obama as the black candidate, a favorite son candidate of the African American community. The Clinton camp vehemently denied it then and even as recently as a few days ago Bill Clinton claimed it was the Obama camp playing the race card against him.

Race has been the subtext of much of Hillary’s argument for her own electability. But now she’s thrown it right out there in the open: Obama can’t win because he’s black. Vote for me instead.

You don’t have to believe that Hillary’s a racist (I don’t) to conclude that a combination of the rigors of the campaign trail and her own powerful ambitions have clouded her judgment and curdled her spirit. It has certainly soured what had been a historic relationship between the Clintons and the black community.

Hers is not an appeal we’d tolerate from a Republican candidate, nor should we from a Democrat, no matter how sterling her progressive credentials might otherwise be.>

Read the entire article here... http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2008/05/08/renounce-hillary-clintons-racism/

her comments were intended to those who are racist.

Obama supporters, as usual, try and make everything about race, which is in itself racist

Get a grip!

with USA Today. Please note that neither sentence is a complete quote.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

The polls in this election cycle have been broken down by race, gender, income, education, etc. and every combination thereof. There has been endless discussion in the news, print media and the internet about all of these demographics. Would it be surprising if Senator Clinton was asked to comment on these poll results? We have no way of knowing what question or statement she was responding to because that information was not provided.

I have not been able to find a full transcript of the interview to see what part of her remarks was omitted. If anyone has a source for the complete interview, I would very much appreciate a link so I can read her full remarks.

Simply unacceptable.

there is ONLY one way to"take it"..

apparently they are so desperate to get freepers to vote for her in the primaries, that anything goes./.

I hope my observation of fact and misquotes does not make me a "typical white person".

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you shouldn't put it in quotes.

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"hard working whites" is your concoction not Hillary's.

same difference.

You are living in a fantasy world. I know you will call me a racist but, race will play a factor in the 2008 election. Obama does have a problem because he is black. Many working class whites are in fact implicitly racist. Yes sadly, there are many working class whites who will not vote for Obama because he is black. Racism is real. I can't convince them they are wrong and I doubt anyone can. Clinton had a better chance of winning because she is white. Please don't judge me because I'm biracial and have a unique perspective. Of all the times in history, now is not the time to roll the dice on a black candidate. The world is on fire and we need someone to put it out.

They went for Reagan decades ago.

Her use of the language was unacceptable... PERIOD

More sports fans were praying for OJ than for Nicole, as I recall.

Your bigotry cuts both ways. This race argument is bogus because it could be used as an excuse for the next 50 years as to why blacks should not even bother to try to run for President.

The initial stike on Iran's underground nuclear reactors at Esfahan is projected to kill 3 million people from radiation. Yes I'm willing to damage the integrity of America's democracy(which it has not been since 2000) in order to stop the attacks.

The initial stike on Iran's underground nuclear reactors at Esfahan is projected to kill 3 million people from radiation.

Which candidate has said he or she was willing to "obliterate" Iran? You're willing to "damage the integrity of America's democracy" to put in power the person who has openly said she would start war with that country?

We don't need them.

"Michael, do you renounce Satan?"

"I do renounce her."

"And all her works? ..."

"And all her works."

nuf said.

tick-tock-tick-tock

The Daily Show had the audio recording of Clinton making her remarks on the phone. The studio audience seemed shocked at first. very quiet for that moment before they realized that, yes, she actually made this horrible statement.

And in West Va. Which is one reason why she made it. Even though she is already projected to win in West. Va, she appealed to the basest and most hateful aspects of humanity. In order to win... what? Another percentage point before the supers run, en masse, away from a woman who has just based her campaign appeal on racism?

She is simply shameless and she has destroyed her political career as of this day.

I'd be willing to take bets on this.

This proves that the Clintons have been race baiting all alone, starting in SC and in Bill's interview with Charlie Rose, as many DUers pointed out at the time.

that promotes racial divide in this country to get votes, has no business representing "We the People".

Just a tad biased perhaps?

so many other sources see it (see partial list below), but this source has more of a sophisticated analysis.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/whats-new-4.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09fri1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=agAU3m9j8dOY&refer=us

she is not a racist. That is just ridiculous. She is getting the white middle class blue collar voter. Just because she states a fact does not make her a racist. Obama is getting the black vote. Facts are facts. Quit posting stuff from an opinion blog that is playing the race card and really just makes Obama look bad.

You are a sly one.

I did not say to quit posting. How retarded. Using blogs as a source is a weak source imo. Any idiot can have a blog and say whatever they want. Using a blog to incite false accusations against a candidate to lay claim that they are a racist is divisive and makes Obama look bad.

is just bullsh1t?

This for example in your first post: "She is getting the white middle class blue collar voter. Just because she states a fact does not make her a racist. Obama is getting the black vote." THAT IS YOUR FACTS? Obama is JUST getting black votes?

Yessirree...you win the prize for false facts.

suddenly racist to many here--and across the blogs.

Geraldine, so if she were wise and were truly what this country needed in a leader (especially now after nearly 8 horrendous years of bush), she would be more selective with her words. I know she is a smart woman, so I therefore feel this was intentional.

... if Obama supporters are going to label anyone who disagrees with them 'racist', it will never end. Let them know that you will never support their candidate, if for that reason alone.

<But we believe just as strongly that Mrs. Clinton will be making a terrible mistake — for herself, her party and for the nation — if she continues to press her candidacy through negative campaigning with disturbing racial undertones. We believe it would also be a terrible mistake if she launches a fight over the disqualified delegations from Florida and Michigan.>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09fri1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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TO TOP IT OFF, SHE GOES ON TO PREVARICATE:

As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article that she said "found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me." Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton's statements " are not true and frankly disappointing." Here's an audio clip from the Clinton interview with USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/whats-new-4.html

Update at 8:45 a.m. ET: The political blogosphere -- particularly the liberal side -- is starting to react to Clinton's comments. Pam Spaulding at Pam's House Blend calls Clinton's words "race-baiting." ELROD at The Moderate Voice says it was "an appalling gaffe that goes well beyond (Barack Obama's) Bittergate comment." The Jed Report writes that "Clinton is making these comments to get attention. Her campaign is broke and she needs free media. She knows that the press loves to cover conflict, especially this kind of conflict. She's serving up raw meat on a platter, consequences be damned." Memeorandum has more links.

... that's no more racist than Obama talking about his grandmother being a 'typical white person'.

the words "typical white person". Splitting hairs here aren't you?

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:pZKSoybk1FkJ:www.unctv.org/bif/transcripts/2001/bif1719.html+Bill+Clinton+and+Randall+Robinson&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=safari

I think we talk a great deal about racial profiling, as if that were the forest; it's the tree. It's what's happening to a whole generation of young black males: that's the forest. And I suspect in part that we talk more about racial profiling, driving while black and that sort of thing, because that is still an issue that affects all blacks. But what affects the PeeWees (Kirkland) is this absence of opportunity, this legacy of slavery, this prison industrial complex. And this failure to understand that we're still all in this together. What happened after the civil rights movement, people like myself and yourself who were prime to go to college and we came from families that were intact, parents that were loving and encouraging, models for our behavior. And so all we needed was the ceiling removed a bit and we did well. But most of us were bottom-stuck, homes broken, fathers not there, intergenerationally riddled with pathologies. Those people remained and I think that we, since the civil rights movement, have argued less tenaciously in their interest than we have in our own.

And our relationship to President Clinton is a good example of that.

Those people remained and I think that we, since the civil rights movement, have argued less tenaciously in their interest than we have in our own. And our relationship to President Clinton is a good example of that. For some curious, arcane, difficult to understand reason, black communities had a great affection for Bill Clinton and with the exception of the things he has done for certain blacks, he's done nothing for the mainstream black community. He added more federal prisons to the prison rolls than Bush and Clinton put together. Built more prisons than either of them, destroyed the Caribbean economies, did as much to Africa. Welfare reform pushed people into poverty. He was terrible for black people. But he bought us with gestures.

... is that too many of them are choosing a life of crime. Gangs and hip-hop are creating a culture that celebrates violence and criminality. It's posts like yours that absolutely confirm my inability to vote for Obama. He belongs to a culture that chooses victimization and denial of personal responsibility - "it's the prisons, the police, the guns that do all this to people". No, it's the kids with f***ed up priorities that do this - they need to put down the guns and pick up the books. The road they're walking leads to prison or the grave. If they're shooting people or running crack, then they should be arrested and warehoused. And as to 'fathers not there', who's fault is that?

And I don't want to hear another word about slavery. There's been plenty of time for adjustment in that regard.

"plenty of time for adjustment" for slavery's effects? You must be joking.

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All fvcked up she was and most likely still is since she won her 5 minutes of fame and is now ?????

But Bill...Ouh...Look at Bill, still out there doing his ? thing.

... Monica Lewinsky isn't a gun-carrying gangbanger, which is what I think I was originally talking about. Not to mention that you're trying to counter my argument about systemic problems (crime, violence), with a single anecdote. And by the way, some people might find your comment anti-semitic, as Lewinsky was Jewish.

Cause you know Bill didn't take any for that fling with a minor.

... stop being ridiculous. I was referring to a small subset of the current generation of 'young black males' (your phrase) who've become involved in crime. The post I responded to was blaming the system for that.

It's hilarious that you used the picture from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as you clearly don't understand what is happening in the scene. Donald Sutherland is not pointing at the body snatchers, he's become one (as you have), and is pointing at someone who isn't. Your style of argumentation is to sit back and scream 'racist' at every one who doesn't agree with you. Then try to finger people who don't toe your line.

Sorry, not buying.

Again, I don't want to make too much of this, but aren't certain black people gangbangers, as a point of fact?

And there are certainly black leaders who are concerned about this problem as well. Check out this video, starting at 4:50:

Farrhakan on gang-bangers (4:50 in). I want to repeat. Some of these young men need to come out of the cold, and back in to law-abiding society. Get educated and make a legitimate life for themselves. And we should have no institutional racism standing in their way. But sitting around blaming slavery for your problems isn't going to get that accomplished.

you'll win a lot of friends around here.

And using Farrakhan to support your point? I don't know if you're aware of this, but Farrakhan is not the Supreme Black Leader.

... because you don't seem to get that I'm not calling all black people 'gang-bangers', even if I were to type something like NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE GANGBANGERS, OK? You just keep accusing me of the same thing over and over, probably ringleading to get me banned or something. Whatever.

To your other response -

(1) "they've cut federal funding for education to the bone" Federal education spending increased for most years in the last 2 decades, but it's a waste of money, anyway, since there's no federal schools. It goes to pay for bureaucrats and administrators, the next rung up the ladder in one of the most corrupt industries in America - educators who want desk jobs instead of actually teaching (I'm a teacher, btw). Any federal money allocated for education should go in bloc grants to the states, but that's being prevented by lobbyists who give money to both parties.

(2)"cut social programs to divert at-risk youth away from crime" The federal government will never make as good a father as a real one.

(3) "they've cut aid to poor and single parent families," Bill Clinton had something to do with that, and it has its pros and cons. Widespread welfare does promote a culture of dependency, fatherlessness, and a cycle of poverty. That's how it's turned out not only here, but in England. Personal responsibility does count - that's what you and other people on the left refuse to acknowledge. On the other hand, the right-wing places too much emphasis on this dynamic, and doesn't see that it's in Society's best interest to have children that aren't constantly needy, as they often grow to be burdens to the state in other ways (e.g. as prisoners). A balance has to be struck here between personal and social responsibility.

(4) "they've decimated funding for health care to poor communities, including family planning," I agree with that - birth control and abortion should be readily available for people who aren't ready to take care of the children they might bear.

(5) "I haven't even mentioned the decades of ... Jim Crow intimidation". That's over, and it's no longer a valid excuse. The intimidation these days is coming from gangs and the like.

but you're using a racially loaded term to apply to young black males in a gross and ignorant generalization. I pity your students if this is the kind of intellectually lazy rhetoric they're exposed to in the classroom.

Personal responsibility is all well and good when you have the opportunity (and choice) to be personally responsible. When you're in a society that doesn't give two shits about you from the time you roll out from the cradle, it's that much more difficult to rise above the obstacles and live that mainstream life that the real "elitists" in this conversation think is so easy to attain.

... Look at me! I'm a victim!

He belongs to a culture that chooses victimization and denial of personal responsibility

And what, EXACTLY, would that culture be?

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questioned now. Not just here in this forum, but many, many, many others and if this is a gaffe, she is not fit to mend the world towards support for America.

The Obama camp has done all the race baiting, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

Watch this video and get back with us?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

in their administration to get where they wanted to be. (NAFTA) Now they are trying it again and it is not working for them.

See: Liberalamerican shares a spellbinding account of the sub-prime debacle. This exceptional exposé explores the history of our current credit crisis. Much to the dismay of many, as we assess what occurred, we find former President Bill Clinton did as Conservatives had hoped to do for decades. William Jefferson Clinton repealed the Post Depression, New Deal era, Glass-Steagall Act. This measure ensured banks would not underwrite securities. Since the Clinton reversal significant chaos ensued
http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/foreclosed-blame-bill-clintons-repeal-of-glass-steagall.html

She fooled you. Haven't you learned anything from the Bush presidency?

« Message to America’s Elites, Avoid Chaos
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Gregory Chang
Who is the Divisive Race-Baiter?
Posted at 2:01 am under Uncategorized

“The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes,”
Words Spoken by David Axelrod April 23, or less than two weeks ago, following Obama’s defeat in Pennsylvania. Empirically, they were incorrect. Clinton’s more precise definition of white and without a college degree is accurate.

Axelrod’s statement was more than wrong. It was an arrogant dismissal of the importance of the White Working Class. Not qualified to reflect empirical data, it amounted to “hey, who needs these guys, they vote Republican anyway”.


Considering his candidates exceeding reliance on the Black Vote, and a radical White Block ashamed of being American, Axelrod finds himself much closer to the Race Baiter frontier than Clinton with her massive coalition, ever could.

None of which will bothered Donna Brazil at any point in her Pro-Obama time. Back on April 23, she did not find Axelrod’s words divisive, or offensive.

Since Brazil has been the source of about four major divisive controversies in this Democratic Primary, not to mention directly responsible for smearing Bill Clinton as a Racist, her usage of the word “divisive” is as self-serving as a fox guarding the hen-house. Brazil’s own disdain for the White Middle Class, is apparent, and was not only clear before April 23d, she just clarified it yesterday:

BEGALA: “But I think Hillary is still going to make the case that she can win those blue-collar white voters that Barack still can’t, that may very well along with Latinos be the key to this general election. That’s what’s so interesting about this primary, why I think it’s good for my party, because the voters who are in play in this primary are the exact voters who are going to decide the general election as well, working-class white folks and Latin Americans.
BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Because they are all scurrying for "the same scraps."

What Bill and Hillary Clinton are doing - slicing and dicing America to drive home the OLD STYLE *wedge politcs* - whatever the label - bigotry or racism ... well it's VILE and VULGAR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA&feature=related

On Edit: "The Surrogates" (Axerod, Wolfson) are not fully taken to task BUT when "the candidate" (HRC) says they are essentially "The Great White Hope" ... well, they deserve the backlash UNLESS they are humble enough to admit that they, at the very least, spoke inelegantly. :shrug:

restraint and use her words more carefully!

Here we go....
* "To me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues - when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood; I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book - when they have been involved," Black Entertainment Television founder and Clinton supporter Bob Johnson
* "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964... but it took a president to get it done". Hillary Clinton
* "If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool." Unnamed Clinton Adviser as quoted in the Guardian
* “Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South”. As reported by the Associate Press
* “That's just bait too. Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice in '84 and '88 and he ran a good campaign and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here”. President Clinton in South Carolina. The reporter never asked about Jesse Jackson.
* "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Clinton supporter (and finance committee member) Geraldine Ferraro
* "Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?" Geraldine Ferraro as quoted in the Politic

as is the women's vote, the Hispanic vote, etc. becuase it's DIVIDED.

The African-American vote is not divided. They are voting in numbers over 90% for Obama. Therefore, there is no reason to break it down.

Get professional or get prepared to be disappointed in November.

n/t

in HER hogwash to 'con' more votes.

Obama’s Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004
Similar levels of support exist across white, black, blue-collar voters
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx

i'm sorry, you're race-baiting, making shit up, and losing votes for dems in the GE.

Clinton spin: "Obama can't win white votes." Reality: Obama already has as much white support as Kerry did and the general hasn't even started yet.