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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:00 AM Original message |
I checked Hillary's *old* speeches - she consistently uses "hard working" to mean "working class" |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. 'Hard working' isn't the problem. Repeated use of 'white' is the problem. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. People have complained about the words "hard working." Here and elsewhere. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. The questioner didn't bring up the AP article. Hillary did. HIllary also |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. What about all that white??? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's the White that appears to be a pattern.....you know, the color thing |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
4. It's the "White" part that's the problem. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. Inserting "white" into that meme is what bothers me. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Please remember she's referring to an AP story that brought that up. |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
33. That's not going to stop this posse. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Looks that way. Don't bother them with the facts... |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Irrationality hell, she is the one that said it, and you are the one who is trying to excuse it. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I'm trying to clarify a misunderstanding. |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. She's not being racist? |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. Obama's rabid supporters have no interest in reality. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Do you think it is good she uses "hard working" instead of "working class"? |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. She is trying to avoid looking like she is a populist |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I think you are right on. DLC is overtly ANTI-POPULIST. Which |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
9. The bottom line of it is this... |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. How does one "recommend" a post UNDER a thread? If I knew, I'd be using it in response to your post |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Yeah. That's what I want to know. What you said about what he/she said. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
32. Succinctly put. I don't understand why that's hard to figure out. (nt) |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. No, the AP story said that, in the paragraph on voter demographics. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
10. So what? Working class isn't hard working? |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. ?????????? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. Handy guide showing that Hillary's lying anyways..... |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Again, Hillary was citing an AP story, as she said. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Seems like she'd have accurate information then...... |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Here's that AP story. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't rely on AP to provide information |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. The word 'white' is what jumped out. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. So the context and actual meaning of what she said doesn't matter? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
16. Hmmm, maybe she'll say she "mis-spoke"...Amazing how the Obama |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They absolutely don't need to waste precious time attacking her at this point. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Oh......Obama got trashed alright for his mispeak? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. My comment was sarcastic.. are you "sarcasting" me back?? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It's late.... |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. kick |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
28. "Hard-working families" was also used by Al Gore and Tony Blair |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. That is so damn sad. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
29. She has a history of twisting the words of others. Karma's a |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
30. She tied the words "hard-working" to "white"... implying that non-whites are NOT hard-working.... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Not in my opinion. Not at all. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Try reading the OP before you reply. |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hard Working Americans, White Americans |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. hard working=working class is not so insulting hard working= working class= white voters is terrible |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. That was NOT what she was saying. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It might not be what she meant, but it IS what she said. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
38. "...among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans..." |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
39. A lot of words appropo of apologetic nothings--the race baiting furor |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
40. She needs to apologize for her "misspeaking." Period. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. She needs to clarify it, but it was NOT racist. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. um, sorry, it was BLATANTLY RACIST. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
43. I think if we are worried we should be worried about not working. |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
45. So white collar, middle class americans don't work hard? |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Please read reply #28, from Apollo11, which explains |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Hillary has been told not to say "white working-class voters" |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
46. Hillary and Bill Clinton.. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
49. Don't forget "SPADE WORK"?!? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
50. That was me who had the issue |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Someone else pointed out here that Al Gore and other liberal politicians |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Why won't you address post 9? (nt) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. According to Randall Robinson, former Clinton Aide |
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ampad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
56. You didn't work this hard to spin |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
57. That makes sense and does sound better. |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
64. You know what -- she started this with her disingenuous reading of Obama's remarks (see: bitter). |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
65. I equate it with Sen. Obama's "typical white person" statement. Poorly worded, nothing more. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
67. The Obamas known damn well the Clintons are not racist |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Obama is not responsible for her choice of words. |
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gbrenna (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
68. She use white |
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