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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:41 AM
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Did Obama and clinton have an even playing field?
this is the French equivalent of youtube

watch the entire short clip

amazing admission

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5bab7_clinton_news

bill from ct
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:45 AM
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1. Et tu, wrando?
"The media did plunge its dagger into my back, the killing blow."
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:14 AM
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2. problems with English?
Obama is the love interest of the msm

one of it's own blows the whistle

bill from ct
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:17 AM
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3. Which is why Rev Wright has been the topic for two months straight, right?
The act is getting old.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:29 AM
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12. Yeah. 24/7 Jeremiah Wright for two full weeks.
Repeating Clinton spin endlessly concerning:
    - Winning Texas (which she didn't)
    - Double-digit win in Pennsylvania (which she didn't get)
    - Comeback victory in New Hampshire (she lead big until Iowa)
    - Full coverage of pandering events (getting drunk in PA, "commuting" in a borrowed SUV in Indiana, bullshit about hunting as a child, being a native of somewhere around 10 states

Kucinich has a point about horrid media coverage. Edwards has a lesser point but still a point. Clinton got two full years of free advertising every time she opened her mouth. You have no room to complain.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:30 AM
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13. "problems with English?"
Actually not. I simply paid attention in eighth grade.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:37 AM
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16. That's why we've heard months about Doug Coe and the Fellowship and hardly a word on RevWroght.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:18 AM
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4. Heil, Wrando!!!
No. Clinton had every advantage and blew it with a terrible campaign. Too bad for her.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:25 AM
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5. Amen - the media did everything they could to help her
the RW media is still trying to help her pull victory out of defeat.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:38 AM
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6. maybe the right wing media tried to stir up the pot
Joan walsh was speaking first hand about this, she knows far better than anyone here about this particular subject.

The MSM had a mission, destroy the hated Hillary

With McCain, Obama will find a more level field.

we'll see how that goes

the Rev but himself in this mess when his "friend" Obama tossed him aside that entire thing was personal

bill from ct
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:44 AM
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8. I know not who Joan Walsh is but my own observation
watched a very pro-Hillary media. My best guess is that the MSM was trying to help the GOP get her as their opponent. She pretty much got a pass here in Iowa despite nearly blowing us off.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:19 AM
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10. delusional
bill from ct
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:40 AM
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7. Everyone knows Obama has been the MSM
darling from the start. The only negative coverage he has even had was Rev. Wright. The MSM knew that story was out there and they sat on it until it was apparent he would be the nominee. I think the MSM also brought the subject up early to help him thinking it will blow over before the GE. Same thing with Rev.Wright coming out himself last week was all a publicity stunt so Obama could denounce him. I still think the Rev. Wright will kill him off in the GE unless McCain just totally implodes somehow. I am not wishing that on him, that's just the impression I get when talking to people about this election.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:45 AM
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9. What will be interesting is what the MSM does when
Obama and McCain face off since both have been the MSM darlings. Obama the great hope and McCain the maverick, that will be fun to watch. I am looking for McCain to just melt down in a debate and just totally flip out, they may need to keep a straight jacket ready for that one.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:21 AM
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11. very interesting indeed
who will win their hearts, an old love or a new crush?

what a way to choose a president

bill from ct
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:35 AM
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14. If I had an $100M spot, a 200 SD spot and the most recognizable name in the world...
...I coulda been a contenda!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:36 AM
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15. She Had ALL The Advantages Going In, But It Seems Like You Are Left With...

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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:39 AM
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17. we're all left with BO
bill from ct
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:40 AM
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18. Why didn't you capitalize Clinton's name? n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:44 AM
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19. No never. Why even in the 2004 pre-primary era the MSM were bashing HIllary ...
truly believing she was going to announce her 2004 candidacy any second. And, not surpisingly, they used the very same words in 2008 - that she would do and say anything (and how cute of Obama to pick up on the 2004 bashing of Hillary as he did), that she would not be anywhere today if it were not for Bill, that she was hated as a First Lady, on and on.

Sad, really. I had once thought that America would no longer let itself be brainwashed by MSM, as they were in their thrilling coverage of the frat boy in 2000.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:48 AM
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21. Sad, But It's Accurate...
She WILL say or do anything to try and win. That you can't see it or wish to deny doesn't change the fact.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:13 AM
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24. Actually she could have said a lot worse things and did not. In fact - -
Edited on Fri May-09-08 11:13 AM by Maribelle
she never did say one thing negative about any candidate until John Edwards and Obama first went negative on her in one of the debates.

I was a John Edwards supporter back then. Obama was my second choice back then. Hillary was my third. And the rest of the field were OK with me should they receive the nomination.

However - - when Edward and Obama went all negative on Hillary, I started to do my own research and found that her issues were actually my issues. I had campaigned for John in 2004, and it was truly a sad day for me when I switched to Hillary.

I still do love both John and Elizabeth.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:48 AM
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20. Are you kidding?
Who started out as the front runner? Who started out with the most money and the most name recognition? Who began as the "inevitable one"?

Clinton has the best position at the beginning of this race. The desk was stacked in her favor.

She squandered her position and any suggestion of her disadvantage is preposterous.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:51 AM
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22. WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Another day, another stupid pro-Hillary, anti-Obama post from wrando. Only have 2 more left for today dude, so use them wisely. Another dimwit trying to convince people that Obama only won because he's black. Okay Geraldine Ferraro. Obama is more likable than Hillary, get over it. :rofl:
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:53 AM
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23. No, Clinton had a huge advantage and the media on her side.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:14 AM
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25. Never.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:17 AM
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26. so you don't remember anything before 2008?
Why Hillary Will Probably Win

George Will doesn't get very much right anymore, but when he told George Stephanopooulos the primaries were "already in the fourth inning," he was on the money. It may only be February, and most voters may not be planning to tune into the election for another year, but Hillary Clinton already has a sizeable advantage that lesser candidates will find nearly impossible to overcome. There's a little wiggle room for Obama and Edwards, but not much, and it's going to fade fast. By summer, we will be in a two-person race with a dark horse candidate (ala Dean '03) trying to hang on.

The reason? Money and resources. Primaries require vast infusions of cash for advertising and staffers on the ground. This will cost millions for every state primary a candidate seriously competes in. There are only so many people who can give that kind of money, and a relatively small pool of staffers with the kind of chops to win elections. And so, while it may only be February, Hillary is doing her best to corner the market and deliver an early coup de grâce to her competition:

Last night, the New York Democrat invited about 70 top fundraisers from around the country to a reception at her Washington home. The guest list included such major Democratic donors as Haim Saban, a Hollywood studio investor, Alan J. Patricof, a New York financier, and Kevin O'Keefe, a Chicago lawyer.

The high-dollar rainmakers committed to collect at least $250,000 each during the presidential campaign for Clinton, and many have pledged $1 million, participants said. In addition, each agreed to raise $50,000 by the end of this month to bolster the campaign's first-quarter report due at the end of March.

Hillary has enormous institutional advantages: thanks to Bill, her Rolodex Razr has the number of every major Democratic donor and political hack in the country. Money is attracted to power, not ideals, and Hillary is very strong. Being an early funder for the next president gives the kind of access the big players want. And of course, the more Hillary raises, the more she looks like a sure bet. By summer, major donors will have selected their (wo)man and candidates who aren't considered serious will find that the wells have gone dry. Finally, at a certain point, the Democratic establishment will have to pick sides, and if team Hillary is far out in front, she will be able to count on institutional party support, PAC, and special interest backing.

http://www.blueoregon.com/2007/02/why_hillary_wil.html (2/2007)
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:27 AM
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27. George Will? MSM bashed Hillary from early 2004.
In 2004 they thought Hillary was going to run and began bashing her early on.

MSM bashed Hillary in 2000 when she first ran for the Senate position in New York, and her audacity thinking her 'carpet bagger' actions would win. But she still won, didn't she? And she was reelected by New Yorkers, wasn't she? However it could be argued that one of the reasons Gore didn't do better is some states was because of the MSM bashing against him.

MSM made mockery of Hillary in 1998, just as they do today. Little has changed.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:57 PM
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29. They gave her the inevitable meme in 2007...
And barely talked about any other candidates, except in passing.

Even after she was long out of the race, they continued to entertain her campaign.

The media has been squarely in Clinton's corner since she first announced her candidacy.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:55 PM
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28. LMAO. Clinton had a HUGE advantage in the media
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:00 PM
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30. No, it was not an even playing field
She started the marathon two miles down the track.

And she still lost.

Unite or die.
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