Just some observations on this forum today.

1) Truth: Hillary did not suggest that Barack pay off her campaign debts...and no Hillary supporters I know have alluded to any such thing. Repeating it ad nauseum does not make it so...just like the rest of the lies about Hillary that have been repeated and repeated, as if doing so will somehow make those lies come true.

2) Truth: I really don't care if Obama supporters clear their ignore list. I'd prefer to be left on ignore....I don't know why the Obama supporters who claim to be clearing their ignore think that doing so is somehow a kind gesture to Hillary supporters, as if we will now be graced by your responses to our posts, and thankful for that. LOL. Please, keep me on ignore if you put me there because of my primary season posts.

3) Truth: This primary season isn't over...it'll be over when one of the candidates hits 2025, or when one of the candidates concedes. So posting petitions for Skinner to go ahead and deem Barack the presumptive nominee is just stupid and divisive, as are "rec this post if you think Barack is the nominee" threads. Again, as with number 1 above, repeating it over and over doesn't make it so.

4) Truth: Hillary is not a Dixiecrat, nor is she a national joke, and there's been nothing exceptional about this campaign season, as far as the level of "nastiness" goes. Again, saying that Hillary is a racist over and over again certainly does not make it so.

damage done and the healing that needs to take place in the democratic party.

I am certain that in time all will be well.

When there are no "dissenting" voices left, it'll be all KUMBAYAH and boring as hell, I'd wager. The sockpuppets will be rolled up and put in the top drawer, the people who just came to disrupt will move on to other venues, and those who stay will find something else to fight about.

That the fight goes on...

Do you honestly expect us to STOP fighting when you haven't and foster a healing when wounds are still being inflicted?

I will begin healing when I hear a god-damned concession speech.

Remember that McCain loon? We need to kick his ass! Your efforts would be better used in this manner.

Have confidence that Obama can win many of them over when the time is right.

Hillary has not conceded. There are some Hillary supporters who are already moving towards Obama. Others will take longer, and may never make the final step.

I don't think berating them just because they are not following lock-step with your plan does nobody any good: not the Hillary supporters, not the majority of Obama supporters who realize we need the Hillary supporters to win in November, and not Obama, who has a hard enough job winning over the Hillary supporters without you pissing them off every danged chance you get.

n/t

you speak with great wisdom

bill from ct

:hi:

It's truly sad that some Obama supporters truly believe in success through intimidation.

the list is endless.

Hate from the Clinton side, hate from the Obama side.

NOBODY has the moral high ground in this ridiculous back and forth bs.

...sure the hell be pitching a fit or two, wouldn't you?

Follow Obama's cue. Look and move forward. Don't let Hillary's anger-baiting, coapted by some of her supporters, anchor you to the past.

The past is where Hillary wants us to be. It's what she talks about constantly. It's where she delves to dredge up old wounds and injustices to eek out any residual grudge still held in the voter.

Patience. Patience. Patience.

:shrug:

GD/P is different from the real world only in a quantitative way. Earlier today, there was a thread indicating that the AFL-CIO was deploying campaigners for McCain. It turned out to be untrue, but it didn't really surprise people.

Why are some people so susceptible to an emotional appeal, yet so dismissive of an emotional reaction to their own abuses, ridicule and vitriol?

to a candidate they have never met, but we can't have our own emotions about things that actually happen to us?

She's a peach. Such a peach that she accepts me as I am... an Edwards supporter who never bought into either of the other two camps. You should have seen the hair-pulling that went on before we realized how much alike we really are, and that the difference in opinion on candidates didn't amount to the farts created by a pile of beans.

We have a big fight ahead of us with that loon McCain. Don't you think your time and energy and effort would be more wisely spent hurling barbs at him instead?

:hug:

:loveya:

and I wholeheartedly agree with your comment about the ignore list. My experience in being put on "ignore" comes at the hands of posters who do not want to honestly debate issues - and who take great offense at being disagreed with.

the same person they do.

I'd say it's about on the pre-teen level for the most part. ( Sample: IF YOU'RE FOR HILLARY YOU'RE A RACIST JUST LIKE SHE IS. YOU'RE A FREEPER ...WAAAA!)

There are plenty of discussions from your POV. Johnny did it too isn't really a nice thing to say.

  I think part of your personal healing process would invovle making a personal shrine to "What could have been". Unused closets are ideal for tributes of this nature.

PB

OnEdit: Good lord, I forgot...

which strongly endorsed her, is calling out her campaign's race-baiting, and when Charlie Rangel is expressing his shock, I think we can say there's something up. Is she racist? No. Is she using racism in an uncomfortable manner? Yes.

"I'm not a racist, I'm just their beloved Queen".

According to a great number of Obama fans on DU:

Support the African American candidate? NO WAY IN HELL you could ever be a racist, nor have you ever been (look at me! look how POSTMODERN I am!!!)

Support the Caucasian candidate? Well, you must be a member of the KKK!

BOTH sides have brought up race and facts about the way different races are voting. That doesn't mean anyone's a racist. This stuff is talked about in every election - but only because one candidate isn't white is it deemed "racist" this time.

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"blacks waking up" for one. Horrible.

Remember, this is an "historic" election year, and the media is having multiple orgasms over it.

Attack Hillary if you will, but knock off calling a supporter a liar.

The fact that this is coming from one of our own makes it ten times worse.

white working class are voting for Clinton.

It's ok to say Latino's are voting for ____ but not ok to say white working class are voting for Clinton.

It's ok to say men are voting for ____ but not ok to say white working class are voting for Clinton.

It's ok to say women are voting for ____ but not ok to say white working class are voting for Clinton.

You get my drift.

It's called demographis, not racism.

* = or whatever the magic number turns out to be

Hillarry is not a republican *




* = or whatever she turns out to be

:spray: :hide:



peace~

Shocking!


:rofl:

I don't know why 'ignored' is ignored.
You are laughing with me, or at me!
I think at me.....
That's okay....I don't post much because this is a crazy place...
As long as everyone is really laughing....it's all good :D
If it's ridicule, then not so good....
I think you'll forgive me, as you know where I live;)


peace~

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Mrs. Clinton has run a fine campaign and the Democratic Party can afford to let both candidates campaign in the last primaries over the next three weeks. Oregon, South Dakota, West Virginia and Puerto Rico all deserve the attention of both candidates, and making it a race in those states and the commonwealth will only help to get interested voters registered and ready to come back in November.

I'll tell you what really wearies me: I'm tired of seeing folks here wring their hands over a campaign which has effectively silenced the GOP for three solid months. At this point, I'm pretty sure there are a few million voters out there who don't even know John McCain is running.

... take a gander at this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-poll10-2008may10,0,1325783.story?track=rss

From the article:

In a hypothetical matchup, the poll gave Illinois Sen. Obama 46% to McCain's 40%, with 9% undecided.

Clinton led McCain 47% to 38%, with 11% undecided. The nationwide poll, conducted May 1 through Thursday and released Friday, had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The results represent a shift from a Times/Bloomberg poll in February, when McCain led Clinton by 6 percentage points and Obama by 2, within the poll's margin of error.

___________________

If Mrs. Clinton is willing to sign on as Mr. Obama's running mate, I think the ticket is the closest thing to a lock one can have in a corrupt fascist oligarchy such as ours.

it's just more navel gazing from the MSM. As for your second point, opinions are so solidified at this point that people are often preaching to the choir of pissing in the wind, so ignore is almost redundant. Point three is technically true...
As for point four, I sincerely believe that Hillary is not a racist, but for some reason she is playing one on TV...

Hillary isnt a racist, she just plays one on teevee, when she needs to.

Its the challenge of being all things to different people and playing pander politics.

You can't do it anymore without others hearing you.

"being all things to different people and playing pander politics"

He started his politics with and pandered to slick political fixers like Emil Jones, Rezko, etal.

3. It's over
4. Hillary is a race baiter

there's no indication that that her campaign has even broached the subject.

more divisiveness.

but I sure do love that grinning frog. :toast:

However, one's belief that others are conscious is not epistemically self-evident either.

:eyes:

about having Obama helping to reduce her debt (I am honestly asking this)? I do not have a problem with some of that happening since they are both Democrats, but I would not swear that talk of it is not happening between the Obama camp and the Clinton camp.

On other things, do you actually believe there have been no lies or distortions about Obama coming from the Clinton side? In a political campaign, with the mud-slinging that goes on, nobody can honestly plead that they are as pure as driven snow. Also, I don't believe it is right or fair to blame either candidate or to hold them responsible for every word or deed of their supporters that is done or said on their behalf. I certainly would not get all wound up and upset by the posting of people on the internet.

I am glad you are offering counterbalance to the Obama worshipping.

But the reality of your post is that those are all opinions.

1.) You're correct. This is an internet rumor, and until someone from the inner circle of either camp confirms it, I'll treat it as such.

2.) You aren't on my iggy list. While you've pissed me off on occasion, you are generally a smart, dedicated, and vigorous advocate for your candidate.

3.) It may not be over, but there comes a point where the handwriting is on the wall. It's the last two minutes of the game, you're down by 20, and the other team has the ball.

4.) I don't think she's a racist, but I think her campaign staff is riddled with amoral opportunists who are willing to tap into some very dark impulses to further their situation.

Next.

couldn't have said this any better myself!

off former candidate Tom Vilsack's debts shortly before Vilsack endorsed Hillary.

What I find particularly nauseating is the number of people who seem to feel (I won't use the word "conclude" as that involves thinking) that if a person is for Clinton, then that person is a racist. It seems they either feel or state in their incredible ignorance, HRC is a racist, or at least that's the latest name-calling tag they're putting on her. Ah, what a reason to vote for Obama; Clinton's supposedly a racist and to prove you're not, you have to vote for Obama. The fact that she's not a racist evidently has nothing to do with anything for some people.

I think the primaries should play out and as you say, until someone hits 2025, it's not over. And calling HRC a racist and every other damned pejorative in the book won't cause her supporters to embrace or support Obama.

supporters support Obama obviously or they wouldn't be calling Clinton supporters racists or, like some idiot suggests, should leave the party. Rather stupid to suggest that in view of the fact the Democratic party would welcome as many members as possible. All I know is that too many people here who support Obama have called Clinton the most vile names and have accused her of being racist, self serving, evil...you know the rest. Makes me think some just can't find some other way to vent their frustrations about what might be bugging them so they take it out on a forum that represents a small segment of the voting public.

there are people posting on this board who do not have brains.

They spew vitriol one way and worship the other, without regard to any actual facts. Not that there are no facts to be discussed; just that they make up their own anyway.

I agree with you and I particularly like this:

2) Truth: I really don't care if Obama supporters clear their ignore list. I'd prefer to be left on ignore....I don't know why the Obama supporters who claim to be clearing their ignore think that doing so is somehow a kind gesture to Hillary supporters, as if we will now be graced by your responses to our posts, and thankful for that. LOL. Please, keep me on ignore if you put me there because of my primary season posts.

:toast:

surely that = racist. /sarcasm

I think that history will show the vilification of Hillary Clinton to be a very sad event. I will be very proud to work for and vote for Barack Obama, but my joy will always be marred by the fact that a good woman was sacrificed to achieve this end.

"...nor is she a national joke..."

Yeah, at this point, she pretty much is.

Because that is what Obama supporters do? Post one thread after another about the same theme, using the same talking points?

Maybe when you have been here a bit longer you will catch on.

Thanks Maddy. Good points.

You're damn right the primary season isn't over. It won't be until the convention. I can't wait to see what happens between now and then.

Guess that would depend upon your sense of humor.

There is a fine line between pathos and humor.

The situation merits both.

i just realized this post was almost as disgusting as your link.

I only wish others who disagree with you would follow your good example.

:yourock:

They have the unwavering support of Sheila Jackson-Lee and Tubbs-Jones from OH (who I can't stand).

I hold no fault for Hill stating the obvious that a certain group of white voters prefer her. She should also realize that if the race was between her and John Edwards, she would have been crushed.

Just kidding :)

I loved your post - especially point #2.

shit, man.

and yep, you pretty much hit the over-the-top comments.

I am sorry I did not see this earlier. Great post.

I don't like the idea of being on anyones ignore I have been super nice to everyone.

even though after agonizing...I voted for Obama in NC...it was sending a message about no more DLC and to give my vote to him to support Dem Left Ideals.

I will continue to hold Obama's "feet to fire" but also, to support Hillary's right to STAY IN THERE until the Last Vote is Counted. Because I love that we have TWO DEMS FIGHTING FOR THE FINISH LINE...And each brings something to the table. And EACH has brought out TONS OF NEW DEM VOTERS!

How much better could it be for us Dems...unless, once again, we "Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory."

In some ways I think Dem Party ...if it isn't shooting itself in the foot..is like the "Boston Red Sox" who worked for years but failed and blaimed it on "THE CURSE." When they finally WON it portended John Kerry's Victory and vindication of "The Curse." Kerry Lost and the Red Sox are what they are....

What does Past, Present and Future Predictions by Pundits and Sports Experts have to contribute to ANYTHING? It's a NEW TIME...there will be new things changing ALL PREDICTIONS...why live in the past for "predictions" and not for "history." :shrug:

a democrat to the whitehouse......

not experienced enough?

you sound BITTER!

:)

Right on.

their cues from the Repuke MSM - the CNN/MSNBC type of crowd - which since Tuesday's primaries have basically written Hillary's candidacy off and have been busying themselves not just promoting, but coronating Obama is the "presumptive nominee", which he isn't.

Liars, all. They would have been the "good Germans" in 1940.

dear god, the irony.

please, take a look in the mirror, all of you.

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It must be very burdensome to be so morally and intellectually superior to everyone else.

I remember when the mods here used to get rid of trolls and would shut down slanderous attacks against Democrats.

ignoring the ignore function.

Sadly, a decision to allow this place to descend into chaos during the primary season was made, perhaps because it got so out of hand as to be simply unmanageable.

I can only speculate on why there wasn't a decision to do so.

It was so nice to be able to have actual discussions with fellow Dems about the issues here, but that's become nearly impossible now. The place is trashed.

you people are off your damn rockers, i swear.

of law.

It's a serious charge.

And obviously a big word for you.

Because you've clearly misused it the way someone would who doesn't have a clue as to what the word means.

I have made it a point to stay out of the petty primary carping here on DU, realizing everyone has their own choice and some are more enthusiastic than others. However, I find your post way over the top and in fact find most of hillary's supporters posts bitter, divisive and mean spirited. It also seems to me that the hillbots are much more in line with the "good germans" of the 1930's than any obama supporter... in fact, this negative additude is THE reason Hillary will lose.

Truth: A contested Democratic convention will not hurt the party or the candidates. Its probably the most fair and open way to decide who the Dem candidate will be if the race is still a draw. We're spending all that money for the Convention, we might as well make use of it.

TRUTH: Obama has an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates.

TRUTH: Obama has an insurmountable lead in the popular vote.

TRUTH: Obama has an insurmountable lead in states WON.

TRUTH: After today, Obama has the lead in Super Delagates.

TRUTH: Obama has an overwhelming advantage in funding.

TRUTH: The race is not "tied".

Look all around you. Its coming from every angle. She has been digging her own grave for a long time now and she just won't put down the shovel. Tuesday was her last chance at turning the tide and it just didn't happen. For her to continue down her path of destruction makes her more than just a joke, but a figure worthy of legitimate scorn.

I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire, but this is a reality some of you folks are going to have to open your eyes to sooner or later, and the later it gets the worse it will be.

Every talking point, every new malicious theme, every convoluted argument, every attempt at character assassination, every inflammatory and hateful slogan and clever little smutty lie. It is all coming from the media mouthpieces, all of it speculation and interpretation, and for the most part they don't even have the guts to say "in my opinion..." - no, they say "some people are saying..."

And all of that crap, all of that idiocy and nonsense is repeated and repeated here and used to defame and alienate fellow Democrats and to dishearten and hurt kindred spirits. "Clinton is racist" and "Obama is elitist" and "Wright is a Black separatist" - all of it spoon fed into people's brains, and then they bring it here and parrot it back, over and over and over and over again.

I was in the emergency room the other night with a particularly painful condition (turns out I have a small deformity that chose this week to announce itself, and will require an operation next Wednesday). So the nurse popped in and said 'Do you need morphine? How's the pain' and I replied 'like the Clinton campaign...it just won't stop.' We had a good giggle over it while I was getting my shot (not that it helped any).

I'm sure this will be denounced as untrue, but it helped me get through a very bad night.

Hope the health crisis has a good outcome for you.

if he becomes the nominee. And not merely a a gesture of good will.

So keep sending Obama money.

Then maybe I would think of voting for him. Maybe. :rofl:

I would no more clear my "ignore" list than I would willingly get on a bus with a bunch of kids with boomboxes.

I've no idea whether my list has more HRC or OHB supporters - I just swat 'em when they poke their heads up, whack-a-mole style.

The idiotic "rec if you love jesus" threads are a symptom of the invasion of this board, along with much of the world, by people without brains. Sorry, that's the facts.

The hue and cry that everyone should step aside, spread their cloaks in the gutter for OHB and his loyal minions is lunacy. HE does not call for that. The groupies do.

Thanks for your post.

fc

:thumbsup:

I HAVE TO STRONGLY CAUTION ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS WHOSE STATES HAVE NOT YET VOTED, PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE WHEN YOUR VOTING DATE ARRIVES. THE RACE IS NOT OVER, SO DO NOT BUY INTO WHAT THE MEDIA IS SAYING. THEY ARE GIVING OFF A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

IF THE MEDIA ARE ABLE TO GET OBAMA'S VOTERS TO STAY AT HOME, WITH THE FALSE SENSE THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON, HILLARY WILL WALK OFF WITH THE NOMINATION, BECAUSE YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT HILLARY IS TELLING HER SUPPORTERS TO GO OUT AND VOTE.

OBAMA SUPPORTERS, THIS RACE IS NOT DONE UNTIL ALL THE VOTING IN EVERY STATE IS DONE.
SO OBAMA VOTERS GET OUT AND VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS, OBAMA NEEDS ALL YOUR VOTES, THIS RACE IS NOT OVER UNTIL ALL THE STATES HAVE VOTED!!!

I'm for Barack, but I usually lurk because many people are crazed...both sides. I agree and quietly disagree from afar...it's the best I can do. I can't get in the middle of anything.
We can agree to disagree...

:hug:

The truth be known, I've read and loved many of your posts, and love your awesome frog.



peace~

:hi: Happy Friday!

There will continue to be more of this stuff till she decides to end it.

you are basically insulting people by saying that they're too stupid to form their own opinions, so they should pay more attention to you instead. I wasn't born yesterday.

:patriot:

Hillary claims thaat Obama supporters are intelligent, well educated elites.

She says her supporters are the dumb asses, and that makes her more "electable" because dumb asses outnumber intelligent, educated people in the US.

Truth!

Never seen that before...

heee :) :hi:

to declare a nominee, he had to post a thread telling them no and leave him the fuck alone...sort of speak. :)

...I wouldn't waste your breath. One can judge a candidate by the company he keeps and by the kind of people attracted to him. Enough said. Meanwhile, there are wonderful pro-Hillary blogs although the Obamabots are crashing them when they get too tired of their self-congratulations. Fortunately, there is adult supervision for the most part.

Seems to me many of the most hard-core Hillary supporters are going through the grieving process: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Most seem to still be dealing with denial and anger. I find this phenomenon of taking a candidate's loss so personal to be rather extreme, but it seems to have really had an effect on some people. Hopefully sooner than later they will be able to reach acceptance and move on. IMO, it would help if Hillary would stop sending out these mixed signals to her supporters.

patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern.

The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

‪Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

‪Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.

‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

I'm for Edwards or Gore, so I don't support either Hillary or Obama, but the Obama supporters have sunk to all time low with their rants and hate for Hillary and her supporters to the point of saying it's okay for 90% of blacks to support Obama, but not okay for whites to support Hillary at all.

:wtf:

Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's an almost sure indicator that the person deploying it: a. wants black people to shut the fuck up with the race stuff already, and b. doesn't really understand the race issue and hasn't thought much about it. People who talk about "the race card" approach the issue of race in America as though history started last week, the slate was clean, black people were mostly getting a fair deal and institutional racism had been wiped out forever. It didn't, it isn't, they're not, and it hasn't. Shame on any white DUer who, after all this discussion, STILL doesn't get that.

Take that fucking chip off your shoulder and look around at the people you are pissed off at! We are ALL struggling in this country-no matter what color! This isn't about color! It's a class war! Even Spike Lee said that in his Katrina/NOLA documentary! We are all in this together and we've ALL been screwed over! No progress will ever be made until you take that chip off your shoulder and get that it's not about color but instead about class!!!

Shame on YOU for playing the race card in your reply to me!

And it's not my job to educate you. But if you really think black people in this country don't have legitimate reasons to be pissed off, you might want to study up a bit on black history and the current state of institutional racism. The fact that there's class conflict doesn't negate racism; in fact class wars have often historically ignited race conflict.

I've seen children be more civil than both sides. This is really petty, and needs to stop!

I despised the back and forth. I think both camps showed how low we can stoop to get the Job as POTUS.I am definitely no innocent when it comes to that. I make no apologies for what I said, because everything was pretty much supportable by facts. The whole Misogyny and racist claims were inevitable. We know who and what the 2 candidates are someone was eventually going to cross a line. I think passions of the supporter are admirable. the tactics leaves one wanting.
I just want to point out that the media is what is driving this. The longer the race the more ad space they sell. The media has been infected with the Right wing virus for quite some time. It is no longer about news its is about ratings. This dialog has sold, No matter how you slice it. While we were busy eviscerating each other oil companies almost doubled the prices (thank you hedge fund managers). 100k people are possibly dead in Myanmar. How many billions of dollars have been spent on this fucking war? How many trillion are we in debt? How many homes have foreclosed? How many of our precious soldiers in this cluster fuck of an occupation? For that matter how many of Iraq's people been liberated through their own demise? How many people have been wiretapped? Who is looking out for us? why is bush still in the offal office?

Why then are we concerned about sniper fire and preachers? I hope whoever you are, you decide to vote democratic in November.

Your post is ridiculous.

Who the fuck do you think you are to take real democrats to task for standing up to a DINO? Who are you to tell us that we should allow ourselves, our fellow citizens or our DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE to endure Clinton's kitchen sink full of hate, racism and fear? Who are you, a supporter of the most republican candidate the democrats have ever had, to try to complain about "nastiness" in a campaign season?

Who are you to tell us to bow to the Queen of Corporations and White America? Just where the fuck does she get off? I tell republicans to fuck off for doing the exact same things the Hillary Clinton is doing today. I tell republicans to fuck off for the exact same votes they cast as Hillary Clinton.

Had she made this campaign season about why she is the better candidate and not about destroying a man who is decent, honorable and respected world wide, then perhaps we wouldn't have had to stand so fiercely in defense and defiance. She has tainted the whole atmosphere of this primary, yet her supporters try to blame it on everyone BUT Hillary.

Sticking your fingers in your ears, covering your eyes and holding your breath until you turn blue only proves that some people can be fooled all of the time.

Hillary Clinton IS NOT the Goddess of Peace. The Empress has No Clothes.

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Koko01 says .....
"I will continue to hold Obama's "feet to fire" but also, to support Hillary's right to STAY IN THERE until the Last Vote is Counted. Because I love that we have TWO DEMS FIGHTING FOR THE FINISH LINE...And each brings something to the table. And EACH has brought out TONS OF NEW DEM VOTERS!"

I am glad when I see that someone looks on the primaries as not yet finished. I would hope that people in states where these have not yet been held have the opportunity to VOTE, to voice their choice for the Democratic ticket.

I voted in the primary in my state back when there were even more choices and I am glad that I had that opportunity.

Showing the people of this country how a presidential primary is held is important to the continuation of it. It's not a popularity contest between two pre-teens but some days it sure seems like it here.

What will are those immature people do when issues are discussed - BORING. Will there ever be a discussion of the platform and the issues?

When I start reading a thread that has a lot of the pre-teen jargon I go elsewhere.

3) True, the primary season isn't over, but the only thing that's undecided is who Obama's running mate will be (three guesses who it WON'T be). Barring the use of hired assassins, Hillary has no chance of winning the nom.

4)Hillary may not be a national joke yet, but she'll rapidly become one if she insists on staying in the race to the bitter end (with a capital "bitter"). That's her choice to make, but staying in the race when you've been mathematically eliminated is sarting to make her look a tad irrational. As for the Dixiecrat thing, I think her "hard-working white voters" thing actually speaks more to her true mind-set than any failed attempt at subtle, dog-whistle politics. Given the choice, I'd actually prefer she was openly pandering to racism than an actual racist. Of course, I'm not psychic: but if those are the two choices, I'll pick, uh, the other candidate.

Don't let the haters bring you down.

But she is a lying, conniving, and divisive person and is showing us all in these recent weeks why having her as the nominee would be so bad for the Democratic party.

You've fought a good race, but you may want to come to grips with reality. You may soon be faced with choosing whether or not you have it in your heart to support Barack Obama for president.