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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:10 AM
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Was Hillary channeling George Wallace? (Joe Conason)
If she's lost Joe Conason, she's lost everyone...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/05/09/clinton_remarks/index.html

As long as Hillary Clinton is willing to spend the money and energy needed to continue her campaign, she certainly can ignore the pundits who insist that the Democratic nominating contest is over. What she should not ignore, however, is the damage that her increasingly reckless behavior is inflicting on her reputation and that of her husband -- especially when she starts to sound like a reincarnation of the late George Wallace.

When Clinton blathered on about "totally obliterating" Iran in the event it made a nuclear strike against Israel, and then reiterated that same statement last weekend, she made what was, until then, the single most ill-considered comment of the campaign. But now USA Today has published an interview in which she explained again why she regards herself as a more viable general-election candidate than Barack Obama -- except that this time, she crossed a bright white line.

Citing an Associated Press analysis "that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me," she went on to say: "There's a pattern emerging here."

There is indeed a pattern emerging -- and it is a pattern that must dismay everyone who admires the Clintons and has defended them against the charge that they are exploiting racial divisions.

MUCH MORE AT LINK
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:16 AM
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1. Is her statement true?
And how else could she say it, if it is true?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:18 AM
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2. Perhaps, but it's up to the pollsters and pundits to say it, not someone who
wants to be the leader of the US.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:21 AM
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4. She could have said "I despise racism."

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:26 AM
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6. No it's not true. There are only two possible groups of white voters who will not vote for Obama
racists and McCain supporters. So which one of them is Hillary appealing to?


Caveat: it's a given that for all the candidates there will be some people who stay home.



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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:58 PM
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12. your statement is false on its face
The only white voters who won't vote for Obama are racists and McCain supporters???

That's an outrageous characterization of the American electorate's diversity.

That's the way elections are run in totalitarian states. You MUST not vote your conscience. You MUST vote in groupthink or you are an enemy AND a racist.

Foul. Truly foul. Anti-democratic and anti-American.

Too many people have spilled their blood for the precious right of a person to vote his/her heart and conscience, any freaking way he/she likes.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:42 AM
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7. Hard-working white people is not a demographic.
Demographics include things like race and religion as well as income and education level. But hard-working is subjective.

So there are at least two problems: She linked hard-working with white, as if blacks don't work hard. And she also implied that the white people who support Obama are not as hard-working as the white people who support her--a not-so-subtle "elitist" jab.

And although she has never said she wouldn't fight for blacks as hard as she would fight for blacks, there is something horribly racially divisive about arguing she should get the nomination because she's at heart a populist--but a populist who appeals mainly to whites. As if blacks are the less-important fringe.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:47 AM
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8. Excellent comment. n/t
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:56 AM
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9. very well put
you nail it...thanks!
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:20 AM
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3. agree about losing Conason
he literally wrote the book defending the Clintons which was how I came to know of him.

The party's over for her now.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:25 AM
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5. Wonder what wilentz thinks about this?-nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:57 AM
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10. Bah. I said that days ago.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:03 PM
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11. "There is indeed a pattern emerging ..."
The pattern is already established.
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