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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:32 AM
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Clinton Supporters Turn Off Uncommitted Superdelegates
Apparently uncommitted superdelegates have received a slew of e-mails from Clinton supporters in an informal campaign, and those e-mails have turned off these superdelegates in their virolity against Barack Obama. The article from Huffington Post goes into greater detail below:

In more than dozen messages sent yesterday evening and shared with The Huffington Post, supporters of Clinton emailed a laundry list of political and exceedingly personal attacks on Obama's candidacy, including criticisms of his prior associations and claims that he, not Clinton, had played the race card. The letters underscore the high emotional pitch of the late stage Democratic primary as well as the utter conviction among many supporters of both campaigns that their candidate is solely worthy of the nomination.

Such campaigns targeting superdelegates have mostly been avoided out of fear that the party officials would react negatively to outside pressure. And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday's emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton's cause than good.

In one exchange, Donna Brazille, Al Gore's campaign manager and a stalwart of the Democratic Party, responded with frustration to a writer's threats of defection. "Honestly, this is the 9th email today," she wrote before 8:00 pm. "So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it."

"It was a 'spur of the moment' idea brought about by a blog (Taylor Marsh)," explained Shirley Luther, a Texas Democrat who threatened to vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee. "Tonight several of our bloggers came up with the idea of writing the super delegates. Someone on the blog found a list of emails and posted it.... Everything I wrote is the truth about my political background. The exit polls show I am not alone in refusing to vote for Obama and opting to McCain. This probably would not be possible if there was any other Republican running. But there are a lot of moderate Democrats who do respect his service."

Luther's email, compared to the nearly dozen provided to The Huffington Post, was mild in tone. Beyond threatening defection from the party, authors attacked Obama for his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground member who is a Chicago acquaintance of the senator. One writer accused the Illinois Democrat of playing the "race card" against the Clintons -- a proposition most political observers argue is reversed -- while several others called him a misogynist.

At least two other party insiders wrote the Huffington Post expressing concern over the scope ("I've received emails like this for weeks but tonight it started in mass) and negativity of some of the Obama attacks, including one red-state Democrat:

"I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don't vote for Sen. Clinton," wrote the exasperated superdelegate. "I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don't vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides - but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn't support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed."


Apparently this e-mail campaign was started by Hillary supporters at Taylor Marsh's blog. I'm guess Hillary supporters haven't realized that in order to gain a superdelegate endorsement, they have to BUILD up Hillary Clinton, and list the reasons why they support her. Those superdelegates won't react well to e-mails attacking Obama or negative e-mails in general.

link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/clinton-supporters-send-l_n_100979.html
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:34 AM
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1. When I've sent out e-mails to superdelegates, I explain why I support Obama
and I've never attacked Hillary Clinton in those e-mails.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:37 AM
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3. Me either. What a stupid strategy.
I am very pleased to see California coming around; especially the super dees.

I think Cali has buyer's remorse.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:39 AM
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6. geez. They just don't get it. You don't win people over with stuff like this.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:56 AM
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35. Not just the supporters. Clinton campaign sends 10 emails a day to SDs. n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:59 AM
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37. Need a graphic...
of someone putting the last nail in their own coffin. That would about describe this.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:56 PM
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49. It is "stupid" but nothing
has changed.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:36 AM
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2. LOVED Donna Brazille's response!
"Honestly, this is the 9th email today," she wrote before 8:00 pm. "So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it."

I have written to superdelegates in California and New York and have always kept my correspondence polite, respectful, and positive about Sen. Obama.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:40 AM
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8. she's awesome!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:08 AM
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42. i really like donna brazille
i didn't used to. when she was on that npr propaganda fest- news and notes, i thought she was the worst sell out ever. dlc all the way. plus i love al gore, and am not inclined to like anyone related to his robbery.
but she has been great on the teevee machine throughout the primaries, and i have really gotten to like her. her response was awesome, and i really fell for her the other night on colbert.
smart, funny, pretty, brave, what's not to like? this is a great party.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:37 AM
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4. Taylor Marsh Blog: top of the hill from which shit rolled down onto these poor SDs
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:40 AM
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7. lol thank you Taylor Marsh
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:42 AM
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12. she's always doing Hillary favors.....
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:45 AM
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16. Marsh is exactly like Limbaugh only not quite as smart..
And Rush is nothing more than a moron with a serious drug problem.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:38 AM
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5. Clinton's just not good for anybody. She's also killing Democratic Congressional campaigns....
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:42 AM
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13. She would be toxic to a lot of dems in conservative congressional districts.
We have the possibility to have a supermajority in the House and a decent majority in the Senate, so that we can tell Lieberman to F-- off.

Our congressional candidates understand this.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:45 AM
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17. I'm soooo looking forward to waving goodbye to the fuckwit Connecticut electorate!
I can almost taste it.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:06 AM
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41. I just heard the party is going to send some money Oklahoma's way.
And Noriega is only 4 or 5 points behind Conryn in TX. Noriega has jumped 10+ pts. since last October.

We are running out of time. We need to have our nominee front and center so we can get rid of these asinine Repukes and raise money.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:04 AM
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39. I hope that people now recognize how toxic the Clintons are in the south.
I'm sorry to have to report this, but I'm irritated that it took until Tuesday for people to start paying attention to the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton are widely disliked throughout the south. Apparently the Clintons don't understand this.

Until this past spring, I didn't agree with those who dislike the Clintons. Now I dislike them for a completely different reason.

If the Clintons think that white blue-collar racists will support Hillary in the general election, they are wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong. White blue-collar racists in the south don't like the Clintons. It's time for everybody to recognize this fact.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:40 AM
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9. Taylor Marsh? Of course. She is an idiot
I tried to listen to her podcast once and only made it half way through, which was more than enough to hear her approvingly quoting Hannity and Dick Morris. It's bizarro world over there.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:41 AM
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10. Saw some of this on several sites. Sad, really. nt
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:41 AM
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11. So, Donna is turning over private mails to Ariana's World?
While I agree that this type of campaign is silly, how can any constituent trust Donna if she is turning over privte emails to some bloggers?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:43 AM
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14. One perhaps should not put anything in writing they would be ashamed for others to see..
This only underscores the insanity, at this point, of Hillary's "die hard" supporters.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:48 AM
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21. Turning over private emails is not a good idea
Hopefully, she blacked out the email addys which would be the smart thing to do. Emails are also I believe copyrighted material.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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25. the e-mail addresses are blocked out, of course, did you see the article?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:24 PM
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50. left of
Edited on Fri May-09-08 01:27 PM by CreekDog
smart. :(

if you send someone an email or letter, there is no law stopping them from showing it to others.

so if you sent me a nastygram for instance or love letter (remember, hypothetically), i could send it to the New York Times for publication.

i couldn't make money off your work except if I was using it as part of satire.

but short of an agreement to keep something secret, Brazile is not obligated to refrain (i hope you know that word) from distributing it as long as she doesn't take credit for it as her own work.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:44 AM
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15. Donna isn't a Member of Congress. She's a part of the DNC.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. Who would assume they are private if they were written to a public figure
and so what if she shared the contents as long as the writer is not identified.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:50 AM
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27. As long as she does not indetify the writer or the email addy
The problem is, emails are copyrighted to the writer of them not to Donna.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:46 AM
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19. Was it your email or something?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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24. Hell no, not mine
I wouldn't trust my emails to anyone but family, good friends, and maybe my Senator.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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In todays environment...
...why would you consider ANY email private? Oh, and about that...
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:51 AM
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28. Same way I consider snail mail private
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:52 AM
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29. Newsflash...
emails sent to public officials on their congressional/senatorial etc. accounts are part of the public record. Furthermore, none of them identified and individual by name or even state as far as I can tell...
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ExPatLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:52 AM
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31. So you believe that by sending a random e-mail,
Edited on Fri May-09-08 10:53 AM by ExPatLeftist
unsolicited, to someone implies that it is private and will or should never be shown to anyone else?

Now that's just silly.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:56 AM
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34. You would have to check your state laws on this
Not all states have come aboard on the email privacy thing in the same way they are not all aboard on online stalking
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:28 AM
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46. I guess they'll file lawsuits to protect their email, along with the lawsuits
they are filing against the caucuses, and against the DNC for not counting MI and FL, and against Obama for being born etc...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #11
53. Nope, not Donna
I had a feeling, and I was right.

Donna didn't send that -- the forum over there is chock FULL of threads reposting SD responses to the pot and pan brigade's email blitz.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:47 AM
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20. But the arguments in these emails...
...sound just like the stuff we've seen on this board. Attack, attack, attack, villify, threaten, cajole. And it's a trickle down campaign strategy. I've had lengthy discussions with Clinton supporters, before they switched their preference, about their reasons. And the only ones I've heard this kind of rhetoric from are the ones followed the campaign closely, and hewed a "message discipline" line to what was coming out of Penn & the Gang.

We have seen one interesting thing in this primary. The birth of the internet as a real tool for advancing agendas in the course of the political campaign. From well-orchestrated internet efforts to provide virtual presences (I watched several campaign speeches and talked to some folks in the Obama building in Second Life), to email updates and text messaging... Pretty fascinating from a sociological perspective.

It does kind of make me sad though. I think Bill and Hillary Clinton may have deserved better than this. If she's trying to look for a graceful exit, she's having a bit of trouble finding the door without knocking down all the good china. If not, well, I just don't know. If her proxies are right, and she really wants to even be considered as a last choice on the long list for VP, she needs to reign her supporters in.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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22. Taylor Marsh is a Democrat?
I thought she was only mad at Bush?

How long has she been a Dem?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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23. Hillary's campaign has collapsed to become Stinkhole de Mayo
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:49 AM
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26. I hope none of those emails came from Hillary fanboy sites
I can only imagine what it would be like getting emails from those folks.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:52 AM
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30. they came straight from Taylor Marsh
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:21 AM
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45. According to post #43, some of them DID come from those fanboys
All I can say is wow. Most of the fanboys on those sites are certifiable nutjobs.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:42 AM
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52. Taje a spin through the HCF site. Main page (as per expected)
is all threads about Larry Sinclair and the SDs responses to the pot and pan brigade's email blitz.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:53 AM
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32. I have to say many of Hillary's supporters are showing the same lack of ethics and moral restraint
that their candidate has shown. All I can say is thank God she is not going to be President. Imagine if she inspired the whole nation to behave the way her and the majority of her supporters have behaved?!?!
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ExPatLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:59 AM
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38. I am an Obama supporter
but I have to call you on your illogical assumptions there that this applies to "the majority" of her supporters (any links to studies you have would be welcome) and that somehow Hillary "makes" people act this way.

There are imbeciles and loudmouths that have supported every candidate, ever (plenty supporting Obama as well, unfortunately). We cannot judge all people that happen to support the same candidate based on the actions of these few idiots. Each person owns his and her own words and actions, and should not be held accountable for the actions of others that happen to support the same candidate, have the same shoe size, or the same color of eyes. Assholes are assholes, regardless of who they support, and it is patently illogical to try to draw a correlation between candidate that one supports and assholishness.

Please, the generalizations are not doing any of us any good at all.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:55 AM
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33. They are taking their cues from the Clinton campaign, who have been...
aggressively relentless in pursuing the SDs, to the point (IMO) of harassment. Ten calls a day? Day after day?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:05 AM
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40. I wouldn't want to be a superd
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:04 PM
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47. New verb: "supe"....
Supe (v):
1. The act of being a Superdelegate.
2. To harrass someone you want to do something for you, especially politically ("She was suped so bad she disconnected her phone")
3. To use one's political power to get what one wants ("He suped Senator Clinton until she promised him a cabinet position").
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:57 AM
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36. GREAT strategy!
I'm sure they are as tone-deaf as some
of the poop that is flung around here.

Silly supporters, save it for anonymous
message boards!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:09 AM
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43. yes, I saw that on the HC forum. Sorry, I was bored last night.
Someone said that they had received that e-mail from D. Brazille and they were pretty offended. I would never post or "troll" there. That would be rude. But it is interesting to see what they're thinking/saying. I wish we could reconcile with them without all of the hostilities. It's this whole "us v.s. them" thing that is so frustrating. I've never seen anything like it in one political party in all of my 43 years.

By the way, they are going to submit a petition to Pelosi too. I don't see that working, however, considering how she handled Harvey Weinstein, but good luck to them (not really). ;-)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:14 AM
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44. OOPS! I guess chilish tantrums didn't work any better there than here.
It's time to understand that Hillary has lost. All the threats and holding your breath won't help.

And seriously, Like Brazille said, if you care more about winning the primaries than electing a Democrat, please do join McCain. It sounds like he'd be a better fit.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:54 PM
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48. I've talked with SDs getting these emails
Most threaten to vote for McCain. Not how to influence votes.

Many of these emails come from a site called Lobbydelegates.com. It appears they're boilerplate.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:44 AM
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54. they're really doing their candidate, Clinton, a lot more harm than good
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:30 PM
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51. Taylor Marsh? HA!!
lol.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:55 AM
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55. Make bricks with no straw
Hillary has nothing left to build.
Hoping on the frontrunner to blow it is an embarrassing campaign message.

Hillary's solutions: Let's wait and see, something might change.
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gbrenna Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:48 AM
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56. anyone who whinks McCain is moderate
is completely wrong. McCain was very angry in 2000-he felt Bush called him unpatriotic so he paid Bush back these last eight years. Check out his record before Bush was elected. McCain is a Reagan Republican-very conservative.
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