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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM
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Florida's Alcee Hastings to Obama: shall I "kiss your ring now or when you come to Florida"
Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM by madfloridian
Yes, Alcee Hastings really said that. He is a Clinton surrogate, and I believe a campaign co-chair of the state along with Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He and Bill Nelson filed a lawsuit against the DNC last year.

The lawsuit was dismissed and they decided not to refile Nelson v Dean.

Three guesses how Hasting meant the comment, cause I surely don't know. I would like to think it wasn't snarky.

Obama Is Gaining Strength In Florida


Alcee Hastings

In a stark demonstration of the political shift, U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, a Clinton supporter, asked Obama if he wanted him "to kiss your ring now or when you come to Florida," according to a Hastings' aide.

Obama said there was no need to hurry.


More from the article today.

As Hillary Clinton pins her last, best hopes for reviving her campaign on the still uncounted Florida and Michigan primaries, the momentum in the Democratic presidential contest is rapidly shifting to Barack Obama even in a state where Clinton carried 50 percent of the vote.

"If I had to put this in a sports analogy, it's the seventh inning of the ballgame and the score is 8-to-2. Obama has got a huge lead," said state Sen. Steve Geller, D-Cooper City, one of Florida's uncommitted superdelegates. "But it doesn't mean the game is over yet. Stranger things have occurred."

In another setback for Clinton, state Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, another superdelegate, threw his support to Obama this week, saying Clinton will not be able to overtake Obama.

"I think Sen. Clinton is not going to be able to prevail with pledged delegates and frankly I think Obama would be a terrific candidate," Gelber said. "I like them both. I think he has shown the kind of not only resiliency but political courage that I have hoped for in our nominee."


Quite a turn around, quite an admission from Steve Geller, who "threatened mutually assured destruction" not long ago.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:39 PM
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1. He can kiss my ass when I come.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:14 PM
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32. Gee, I thought you were going to say Hastings is racist ...
That's pretty much what you say about everyone else who doesn't kiss Obama's ring.

Bake
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:28 PM
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36. That shows how little you think more than it shows anything about me.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:11 PM
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43. Hey, this isn't the Lounge!
:-D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:12 PM
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44. Maybe...
I am glad I can't see that post. :shrug:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:14 PM
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45. I removed everyone from my ignore list yesterday
I can see everything now.

:scared:

This one seemed like double entendre to me though...

"He can kiss my ass when I come."

:wow:
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:06 AM
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56. I took everyone off my ignore list also
Though I've been sorely tempted on occasion since to start building it again.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:40 PM
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2. "Obama said there was no need to hurry."
That's pretty funny. Good for Obama!
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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5. Beside the somewhat wooden performance on Letterman
Obama is one funny, funny m-f!
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:41 PM
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3. I hope he was just making some gentle fun
Like when Obama himself commented on the GOP's admiration of his jumpshot.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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6. I hope so, too. Maybe he was.
Maybe he is being more sensible than his co-chair. It was kind of funny.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:25 PM
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26. He was making fun. If you can't even have a sense of humor with
rabid Obama supporters what shall we expect after he wins the nomination?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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4. Fuck Alcee. He's not even a Superdelegate.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:45 PM
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15. Of course he is, he's a member of Congress
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:30 PM
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28. all SDs from Florida were stripped of their votes
So Alcee's opinion is about as valuable as Rush Limbaugh's.

Poor Alcee is just pissed because he bet the farm on a Loser.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:48 PM
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40. You're right - I stand corrected.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:46 PM
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16. Of course he is. n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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7. It's the 18th hole
Obama is up by 20, ready to sink his final putt while Hillary beats him in the head with her nine iron.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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8. It's funny Florida and only Florida is responsible for their problems
yet they ignore that FACT. I guess that explains why he is supporting Hillary. Like these idiots, Hillary doesn't let reality get in the way of her goals.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:47 AM
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50. NC followed the rules..following the rules sure paid off for us.
Too bad Florida and Michigan weren't so wise.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:51 AM
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62. And just think how much FL would have mattered on March 11
their original vote date.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:04 AM
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64. 04 theft. Voter Suppression, Intimidation, Disenfrachisement in 04 & 08. If FL Democratic
party really stood for anything they should start with a grass roots movement to seriously deal with voting rights and procedures in their state instead of the quick fix that ignores the real problems. (lets not forget purging voters roles, motor voter scandal and the documented police intimidation checkpoints in black rural areas) They have failed the people.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:43 PM
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9. Good on Alcee. Obama thinks he can take FL after throwing the Dem voters under the bus.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:49 PM
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19. there is no truth in your post. epic fail
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:25 AM
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58. I disagree with you.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:44 AM
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52. Still spreading lies and distortions, I see. You make me laugh...nt
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:09 AM
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57. Please stop with the nastiness
You can't do anything about what anyone else says or does, but you CAN take some personal responsibility for your own conduct.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:44 PM
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10. What a racist! eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:10 PM
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24. I am sorry, but there is no racist stuff in what he said or what I posted.
I don't think any of it was meant that way. Sorry I just don't see it.

It is quite a turn around just for Hastings to joke about it. Nelson doesn't joke, and neither does Wasserman Schultz.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:44 PM
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11. It sounds like friendly banter to me.
That's how I'm going to interpret it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:50 PM
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20. I think I will also...since someone posted from The Hill...below in this thread.
:hi:
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:44 PM
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12. That's funny, because rumors and insults didn't used to count as 'facts' until Obama fans came to DU
:puke:

So, your opinion of a quip even you admit you don't understand, is now proof of something?

And you call yourself a voter?

:dunce:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:51 PM
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21. What did you just say?
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:33 PM
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37. Did you read my profile before saying I just came to DU?
Did you?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:44 PM
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13. LOL Better Analogy
Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:45 PM by Jake3463
"If I had to put this in a sports analogy, it's the seventh inning of the ballgame and the score is 8-to-2. Obama has got a huge lead," said state Sen. Steve Geller, D-Cooper City, one of Florida's uncommitted superdelegates. "But it doesn't mean the game is over yet. Stranger things have occurred."

It's the last minute of a football game and your down by 3 touchdowns...and Kyle Boller is your quarterback is the more apt analogy.

Reggie White, Brian Dawkins, and Laurence Taylor are on the other team playing defense BTW.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:46 PM
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39. Sports analogy
In another sports analogy, "It's not whether or not you win or lose, but how you played the game," Sorry, Hillary just wasn't up to the game played so magnificently by Obama. It was simply that she had bad advice, starting with Mark Penn, boy idiot.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:54 PM
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41. She took bad advice, and then kept on taking it.
It changed her completely.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:38 PM
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67. Especially if the team is from Chicago
albeit the North Side of the city.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:45 PM
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14. "I was teasing..."
“I was teasing, as everyone was. I said, ‘Do you want me to kiss the ring now, or when you come to Florida,’” Hastings said. “He said, ‘Take your time.’ I said, ‘I will take my time, because you do need to come to Florida,’” Hastings related later. "I didn't get to say what I wanted to say, which is that he could just say right now, ‘Seat the Florida delegation.’”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-talks-to-superdelegates-on-house-floor-2008-05-08.html
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:48 PM
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17. Alcee Hastings is very funny and can be very charming
My guess is that he was teasing Obama good-naturedly - which is how it seems that Obama took it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:27 PM
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35. After reading First Read at MSNBC and The Hill article..
I think so, too.

But there is so much healing to do in Florida, that I say...as Wasserman Schultz said...."my nerves are raw."

Their voices are public, and they can end the divisiveness.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:53 AM
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53. The problem is, they don't want to end the divisiveness, because they
have Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, and the DNC in their sights. And they are determined to delegitimize Obama's presumptive nomination. They have decided to make this about the DNC & if it makes Dean look bad to boot, so much the better. Why aren't they placing the blame where it belongs....on their own flawed legislature? Responsible people know that there are consequences for not following the rules, and Alcee Hastings, as a former judge, would know that.

Why should Florida be rewarded for not playing by the rules?
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:49 PM
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18. Fuck Alcee Hastings Fuck Alcee Hastings Fuck Alcee Has omg I'm hyperventilating.
srsly Fuck him.
Crook.
Seeing him next to Clinton at the Florida "victory" speech made me hurl.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:55 PM
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22. He wants a Unity Ticket!
Heard on a talk show earlier this week.
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Basement Beat Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:18 PM
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25. Off topic but, OMG...Hilliary..
...looks pretty darn attractive in that picture.

Like a slightly older Chelsea....
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:32 PM
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30. all Losers want to be a part of the Winning team
but Sore Losers aren't invited
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:05 PM
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23. Hastings: "It's all done in jest, but it's serious as cancer"
"“Obama made a surprise visit yesterday to the floor of the House of Representatives, where he was welcomed like a rock star and greeted with calls of ‘Mr. President,’” The New York Post writes. “Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), who has also pledged his loyalty to Clinton, gave Obama a bear hug. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), a Clintonite who was in the mob of lawmakers who gathered around Obama, said most of the chatter was in the form of jokes - sort of. ‘It's all done in jest, but it's serious as cancer,’ Hastings said, quoting Obama as saying, ‘Now you can vote for me’ to a Clinton backer."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/999545.aspx

Guess it was a joking way of coming around. It is going to be hard to do that here unless some like Wasserman Schultz just stay off TV.

It has been a long hard slog here in Florida. Going to be hard to come together.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:26 PM
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27. I can't believe GDPers are passing up this chance to scream "anti-Catholic slur!" against Hastings
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:31 PM
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29. The "establishment" is getting bitter
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:56 PM
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31. Hastings is one of the most crooked politicians in the country
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:17 PM
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33. He needs to bow down and kiss the ring. The sooner the better.
They all will, at some point. Barack Obama is a political gangstar, the type we've never seen before. He came from nothing, on his own sheer grit, talent, charisma, intelligence, with everything in the world going against him, including his own friggin name and cultural identity.

He can't be stopped.

Alcee needs to recognize game and kiss the ring. }(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:48 PM
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34. I felt kind of bad about this post....UNTIL I saw Hillary on TV today.
She is shameless...and I was worrying that I was being a little too pushy with this post???

Too hell with that...I am kicking this.

I have had it with Florida Dems, with Hillary, with racism, with trying to figure out what card she will play next.

Kicking.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:18 PM
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46. I know..it's unreal.
It's gruesome that we fought bushit for 8 years and here comes hilary with more of the same with no intention of letting Democrats have our chosen candidate. I think too much is at risk for them..like king and queen of the world.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:32 AM
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59. The Daley machine didn't help him at all, right?
New?................
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:35 PM
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38. Hey Alcee Hastings you can kiss my ass
Edited on Fri May-09-08 05:35 PM by Zachstar
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:28 PM
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42. Alcee Hastings should just bow down and be glad he's not in prison
That corrupt motherfucker can kiss my ass.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:13 AM
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47. Divide and conquer thread.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:16 AM
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48. No....just a post.
My state leaders divide and conquer every day. I don't think Hastings, Hillary co chair should have said could he kiss the ring.

So I posted.

We are already divided almost irreparably. You guys tell Hillary and her FL surrogates to quit being divisive and I will hush at once.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:01 AM
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63. Maybe It's Our Press
Edited on Sat May-10-08 10:03 AM by Crisco
Who shouldn't print such moments of deconstructed reality for a public that wants to believe the show is real.

Sorry, MF, but it's pretty obvious to me that Hastings was simply acknowledging he'd been pwned, as well indicating his awareness that at some point in the future he was going to have to make that public show of it.

And I'm really, really sick & f-in tired of people claiming Hillary ran a path of destruction while Obama and his people poop apple butter.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:07 AM
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65. Well....I am sick of her attacks on the party, and her use of my state as a tool.
Obama has never stooped to her level. The last week she and her surrogates have been unbearable.

Hastings probably was kidding, but he was not kidding when he stood with Hillary to claim victory in Florida. He was not kidding when he sued the party.

Fine, if they were joking. I have no gripe with joking.

It is time for them to stop the divisiveness about Florida, and maybe he is trying.

Trouble is, today Hillary is starting it up again. Just read an article.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:15 AM
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66. Obama, Himself, Hasn't HAD to Stoop to Her Level
Edited on Sat May-10-08 10:17 AM by Crisco
He's got the progressive blogosphere to spread his talking points for him and the mainstream press is all too happy to keep quiet about where the emails and phone calls are coming from.

The divisiveness is only beginning.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:45 AM
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49. We are seeing this same trend in California - buyer's remorse.
Even Clinton stalwarts are beginning to read the writing on the wall.

Alcee and Barack were obviously joking with one another.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:02 AM
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51. looks like O-ists are reaping what they've sown.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:53 AM
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54. Alcee sounds bitter, but Obama handled it well as usual
Hey Alcee: Pretending you're ignorant of the rules that got FL not to count in the first place doesn't help your credibility.

Or maybe you're not really pretending...
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:03 AM
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55. "No need to hurry"
:P
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:42 AM
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60. Man, is this guy racist or what!!
:grr:

:sarcasm:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:48 AM
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61. I knew Alcee way back when.
At least I think it was him. I was in college and he was an aspiring young politician. I was sitting on a bench and he came and sat down next to me and we talked. I suspect he felt a bond because the school was 98% white and I must have looked like I could use some friendly conversation.

How things have changed.
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