Obama supporters owe thanks to Sen Clinton.

Now that Obama is the nominee, the wedge issue that the repukes will jump on is race. Standbys for the biggest race war yet. The repukes will give no quarter and make this a race issue.

Sen Clinton must be given some credit here because she could see this coming. She has gracelessly decided to make race an issue in the primaries thereby toughening up Sen Obama. Thank you Sen Clinton.

Once she starts acting like a she gives a flying shit about her party I'll consider cutting her some slack.

Now he will be used to the nasty tricks of the republicans that Sen Clinton has so generously used. Of course the only reason she stooped to repuke tricks was to harden him. Thanks Sen Clinton for being so republican like to help Sen Obama get ready.

the war started, and then sending you out onto the battlefield with a bullet wound, and then say "I just wanted to prep you for the enemy".

Talk about flawed logic.

on this issue. I was hoping my sarcasm would be apparent.

:sarcasm:

This is Hillary's talking points. Time for her to retire and stop saying the phrase 'white voters' to the public. If she wants to make that superdelegate argument in private, then so be it.

She is only trying to help. Her racist remarks are only trying to helping get used to the shit the republicans will dish out.

:sarcasm:

because my guess is that her campaign advisor's have fallen victim to the stereotype that WV residents are of the racist variety. Say's plenty about what she "really" thinks about WV voters.

she's doing the work for the repugs. They don't even have to focus group what they can get away with on the race issue. They owe her a big thank you.

republicans try it. I think they wanted to wait until later in the contest. Bless Sen Clinton for making race an issue this early.

But I liked my English and Lit.

count? The hell with Engish and Lit and whatever.

man, it's just too bad that Howard Dean and Wesley Clark didn't jump on John Kerry for being and unpatriotic, elitist, soldier who lied about his service and got most of his men killed. THAT would've been great!!! they could've beat Bush to it and THEN it would've all worked out!!! yeah.

And don't let the screen door hit you on your way out.

Got it.

shows more of the high road when McCain goes after him. I hope he can survive the GOP attacks.

by attacking Obama twice over this last week on both Wright and Hamas(sp?) and I think we will see the same thing that happened to Hillary, his negatives will only increase the more he tries to hit him. Honestly, I don't think McCain could beat either of our candidates anyway.

edit: typo

His subtle "Losing his bearings" was bait for McCain to start talking about age and McCain took the bait. Now the media is talking about McCain's age. If McCain were a more disciplined campaigner he would've just stayed on message and talked about Hamas some more. But he has a short temper and discipline isn't in his vocabulary. Obama will walk all over him.

It leaves us in a weaker position from an ideological standpoint.

Once Obama began to emerge, everyone knew the Repubs would make race an issue. Had the Dems agreed to table the issue, put up a united race front, and let the Repubs light the fuse, the Repubs would then be utterly shamed by a lot of media (not all, some).

Meanwhile in the months leading up to the GE everyone on our side could have planted a seed every day, saying "Watch the Republicans play the race card." "Watch for it." "It's all they have."

Now you can argue about who played it first, Obama or HRC, but the long and short is that the *Dems* played it first, which lends legitimacy to ignorant racist talking points and put us on the wrong side of the issue.

(edit for bad grammar)

some credit for helping bring race out as an issue. We might as well face it now as later. Thanks Sen Clinton for starting the race issue now. Hate to wait for the republicans.

who said it first. Really, think about it. Obama is the nominee, either you support him or not. I personally don't care.

If you took what I said as a lack of support for Obama, I just don't know what to tell you.

you can diffuse an issue by addressing it first and taking the sting out of the other sides attack.

Peace

So I stole it.

"The black candidate" they win. I get the feeling he is too smart to fall for the bait.....

I don't have a clue what you mean by planed? I have a wood plane and use it to smooth out a board or your ass if you like. Please help me out.

martyr.

and, if nominated, the GOP will use much dirtier smear tactics than exploiting racial divisions. Rumor has it they are sitting on a story of more recent drug abuse by Obama. Just sayin'.

And I want to thank you for spreading a right wing rumor about him having a drug addition. Do you think that you are helping the party by that?

She can go to hell.

We don't owe shit to the good senator. Not jack shit. Okey-dokey?

I'll repeat it here since it goes along with what you are saying in some respects.

Please get out your :tinfoilhat:

I find it hard to believe that there exists a person in this world that could not foresee that Hillary's recent racially-charged comments were completely self-destructive :nuke: for her campaign. And that includes Hillary herself. So why would she make these racially charged comments knowing that they would be received so poorly?

Knowing that she's a democrat and would therefore get no second chance at a presidential run, I began to wonder if she was "taking a dive" for some reason. Perhaps making comments of this nature would help to solidify and further motivate the Black vote. Perhaps it might cause White voters to question their own motivation for not voting for Obama.

Perhaps not, but I just find it so hard to believe that an educated, experience politician could think that these types of statement are helpful to her campaign in any way, regardless of her views on race.

Is it possible that this is where the 'paying off the Clinton debt' thing comes in? It just all seems a bit suspicious. Have we been played?

Maybe she really isn't smart enough to see political suicide staring her in the face, I don't know. But I would think Wellesley/Yale would have figured that out.

Anyway its all just baseless conjecture but I really am finding I need an answer to this 1 question:

How could a lifetime politician not predict this result?

What a master of race relations she is.

sarcastic bullshit...

I saw too interviews today in which they were asked about McCains policies and the responses were terrible. They were so geared up to bash Obama and Clinton that when the questions turned to their own candidate they were completely unprepared. The attack of the Repubs against Obama looks really overplayed.

bosses. I predict they won't go down without a huge fight. They had power and will do absolutely anything to retain it. I don't rule out a marshall law take over. For sure race will be the big issue. I predict it is going to get very nasty. They will try to split this country between black and white.

so it's not a race war after all, it's a war between right and wrong. :think:

Just because you're right doesn't mean you will win. Do not under estimate them.

i think our nominee gives us the luxury of a candidate that represents the right thing and also is the shrewdest political defender of it. after all, it's not as if we are nominating Kucinich in our quest to support what's right. We support Obama because he is most likely to get himself elected to change the dynamic in DC.

Gravel was my first choice, then Kucinich, then Edwards. So you see, Obama is my last choice. Hillary was never a choice for me.

Going around beating up everyone, will toughen them up.

solely for the benefit of helping to prepare Obama for his presidential campaign. She hated every minute of it, hated the things she had to say, but she said them because she believed in Obama, and only wanted to make him better.

Yep, that was her goal all along, really - she never had any intent to win the nomination, she stayed in the campaign solely to help toughen up Obama. She was willing to spend the rest of her life looking like a fucking idiot, a vengeful craphead, and a vindictive shrew - how noble of her.

She's Obama's Political Christ.

Clinton and all her back-firing tactics couldn't have helped Obama more if he had paid her. On more amusing days here, when we were treated to real dumb shit like "Obama can't you buy your grandmammy a hut", I laughed my head off disbelieving that people could would so openly show how narrow-minded they were. The whole Clinton campaign came off as a narrow-minded, petulant, anti-change campaign despite the best intentions of unfortunate loudmouths who were allowed to represent her.

I'm ashamed to say I didn't even vote in the California Primaries because I thought Clinton and Obama were so similar it didn't matter. It took Clinton's continued missteps and the nastiness of the prowar DLC to wake me up. By the time race became a huge issue, my mind was cemented because I realized this was a fight for the soul of the party and I don't want to be in a party with people who condone racism or antisemitism.

I'll echo your sarcastic tongue in cheek thank you. Rec'd but :hide: in case you're not being sarcastic. It's hard to be 100% sure.

NOT!!


It's about as entertaining as tonights SNL Hillary skit!