If Obama supporters here really want to get reluctant Hillary supporters aboard

Then I humbly suggest the following:

- Go into every single thread that attacks or mocks Senator Clinton and actively shut it down; Make enough noise, and alert if need be, so that the thread dies right away.

- That means every single thread.

- Ditto with any thread that tries to analyze Hillary or the Clinton family.

- Don't yell and scream and gnash your teeth about what Obama may or may not do with his funds. It's his campaign money, you gave it of your own free will, and have some faith that what he decides will be the right decision.

- Refrain from talking about the process by which you believe Clinton supporters must go through to "heal."

- Stop writing OP's extending the "olive branch."

- Stop writing OP's announcing with great self importance that you are "clearing your ignore list."

- Start focusing on John McCain and direct any negative energy towards him.

- Use your three OP's to promote your candidate.

- Repeat: use your three OP's to promote your candidate.

(I've already said, repeatedly, I'm voting for Obama in the fall, regardless of what Obama supporters do or don't do on DU, so frankly whether you take any of these suggestions or not is academic to me. What you write on this board has zero effect on my vote and, I imagine, many others as well. But others seem to disagree with my philosophy, and seem to be frustrated at their inability to reach Hillary supporters, so hence, the general suggestions.)

... if Clinton supporters won't do that without obsequious fawning, then fuck them. And after supporting the race-baiter no less.

If the OP wants us to close down threads criticizing Hillary, shouldn't she be advocating for closing down threads that criticize Obama?

that trigger justified criticism.

I thought I actually wrote to STOP the disingenuous fawning.

Again, both campaigns should have teamed up sooner, though in hindsight, Hillary would have been better popping the question while she was ahead. Mind you, neither of them expected for this "battle" to go on so long...

it pains me to watch the 'girl' candidate and her supporters hold their breath until they turn blue, throw tantrums and fling poo. Shut the fuck up and join the rest of us Kucinich/Biden/Edwards/et al supporters who have acted like fucking adults and accepted reality for our own as dearly held candidates. Supporters of Clinton need to stop being babies and take reality in the face like the rest of us. Jeez, what a bunch of cry babies. This is becoming the worst case stereotype of womanhood I've ever seen. She's setting back the next woman candidate a 100 years.

which is why I changed my vote from Clinton to Obama. Not the only reason but one of them.

until Hillary drops out, the mess that's been happening over the last few months is going to continue.

That being said, I'm going to try VERY hard to just let it all go.

And Ruggerson, I think you're great. :)

go into every clinton supporter thread that uses racially divisive rhetoric, dogwhistlling, the words Rezko, Wright, empty suit, or any thread that attacks Obama and shut it down.

do that, and we'll talk.

(cues Godfather music)

and I've never put anyone on ignore.

I think most people will end up voting for the D over the R.

for what other people need to do to make you happy.

You didn't read the OP, then. I could give a shit what you do, you don't affect my vote. But some of you seem so vested in "unity" on DU, that you keep writing post after post about it. So, I offered my critique on what some of you are engaged in.

Well, that says it all, doesn't it? :eyes:

:puke:

your little puking symbol notwithstanding.

so much for conciliatory

Apparently you've done one of the things I mentioned.

Bummer.

Its Clinton herself that fosters the divide among Democrats and her supporters refuse to see it, so I think its up to them to come to their senses and stop parroting Hillary's divisive rhetoric.

That are just incompatible with our Democratic party and our ideals. There is nothing that can be done to "bring them aboard"


Here, this is discussed in depth here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5913781

thanks for posting the thread.

i'm kinda with bloo on this.

let's say the shoe were on the other foot: i do not like clinton and have said many times i'd never ever vote for her, i'd write in obama (though, i'd likely, depending on the scenario, vote for her anyway).

nothing a clinton supporter could say, no positive attitude coming from them could possibly sway the way i feel. they aren't the reason i don't like her, and they shouldn't have anything to do with it.

i have such a hard time seeing how DU and DUers have so much influence on ending the fucking republican induced NIGHTMARE- i will look back at this decade, 2000-2009 as dark and horrifying.

you either want the white house in the hands of a democrat, or you don't. you either want things to change for the better, or you don't. you either want this bullshit to end in january, or you don't. and seriously, if you don't, because you're mad at DUers and obama supporters, then, as blooo said, fuck you.

they will come to the right decision at their own pace, or they won't. This was addressed to those Obama supporters who are making overtures to Clinton supporters.

And Bloo is pissed off about a snarky remark I wrote yesterday in response to his snarky remark:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5910907&mesg_id=5911099

i don't think anything i do/say could nor SHOULD it have any influence. either people want it, or they don't, and if they don't, again...to hell with them.

i for one am TRYING to stick to obama positives and mccain negatives, but it gets murky sometimes. infammatory comments are being made and repeated- kinda hard to ignore them with such a peak in emotions/edge of seat kind of situation. people are eager for this all to end and move on to GE, but we've got this hang nail...

the OP is addressed to Obama supporters who want "unity" here.

Exactly. I have never seen a more divisive primary campaign than the one waged by Clinton, and all those people who can't stop believing that Obama is wrong for the country and she's right, once he has proven time and time again that they are wrong.

Well, My dad used to say you can't argue with a fool... Just show as many as we can that Obama's nomination as a GREAT opportunity for our Nation and let the others remain the obstinate idiots that they are.

:shrug:

We'll let up when they do.

They don't want Obama to win in November.

They just want to bash someone, anyone. Right now they are bashing Hillary and Bill. But once Hillary and Bill are out of the picture, if Obama is fortunate enough to be elected President, as I hope he will, these bashers will turn their wrath on him because he won't be this or that.

That's just life.

you're dead on correct.

...quotation marks around statements they paraphrase would stop doing so.

to Bill and Hillary together.

It's the BO supporter equivalent of right-wing talk show bobble heads who refer to "the Democrat party".

on either side, I'm leaning toward the election process being one of those things in life that can help develop a thick skin and better debating skills. If you want your party candidate to win. Winning isn't about letting everyone who participates walk away with a blue ribbon - there will be but one top ribbon.

Respectfully, if the above list is what it would take for Hillary supporters to vote Obama (or for that matter the reverse, for O's to vote for H's in the GE), then let them walk away or vote McCain. Really. The GE is going to be a tough SOB to win, and this kind of noise has to be something that one can not only withstand, but respond to quickly and decisively. Or learn to rate as irrelevant to the goal, and pay no attention to it, and continue to goal set with your energy and resources. Tune out the white noise as much as possible; then learn how to tune out even more.

I wish democrats weren't practicing on each other, but as long as this drags on, these last states are worth the practice value if nothing else, I guess is how I will view it. The republicans won't be much interested in following such rules in the fall.

Be ready for it.

....

....should have their heads examined.

if they need me to go to such lengths to assuage their feelings and ego then there are a whole number of "slights" and "outrages" that will come along between now and Nov thatwill lead them to not voting for Obama anyways.

Waste of my effing time.

and making posts about unity. I don't see many Hillary supporters demanding anything.

The OP suggest they STOP doing it, as it is borderline patronizing; people will come to their own decisions or they won't.

Reading comprehension can be fun.

Oh, that's right, you said they're newly departed.

It's over and we don't have a moment to waste kowtowing to the bruised ego of her failed candidacy. It is up to her to do the right thing which is to accept her defeat and withdraw.

Until that happens, I would imagine that anxiety is getting on most people's last nerve, and this kind of preemptive brow-beating is ill-timed and inappropriate. We seek the greater good and sometimes that means reaching within to manage our icky feelings.

read it again.

I don't need you telling me to pull up my own socks. I was very capable of doing it long before you came along.

There are a number of Obama supporters here extending a group hug. The OP clearly states that one is not needed, but if they really are of the philosophy that it matters, then I offer suggestions on how to do it credibly. I still don't believe they need do it at all, as I clearly wrote in the OP.

Many Hillary supporters are rational adults and will come to their own decisions, whether or not they're pleaded with or told to pull up their socks.

My point is that we are grown-ups and should be capable of processing this nomination process without trying to curb/control the behavior of others.

I've always been rather fond of the "herding cats" charge lobbed at Democrats because it speaks to the individuality of our points of view.

Of course people want unity, but from my perspective it's because I don't want a single Democrat to miss out on the imminent GOP ass-kicking.

but people will have to make up their own minds. Hopefully, most will come around to supporting the nominee, whatever circuitous route it might take to get them there.

They'll come around or they won't.

The ones who can move on, we'll be able to work together.
The others...well, either they'll leave, or stay and be miserable.

When I vote the Democratic ticket it will be because of the Democratic platform if Hillary is not the nominee.
I must say, I am very sorry to be on the same side as these people who tear down the other candidate with their sexist and volatile comments.
Their, "Well he/she did it first, or He/she did it too" also shows their immaturity, as well. I've been reading this forum for awhile and I sincerely hope the Obama supporters on here are not generally the same as general Obama supporters.

I've been surprised that those who cry "RACISM" at every imagined opportunity do not recognize their own sexism.
Don't worry, all you sexists name callers, we won't see a woman President until sexism is treated with the same disdain as racism, and I don't think that will be for awhile.

than many of his supporters here. Focus on him and not his advocates.

:D

I don't see where it's up to Obama supporters to try to get Clinton supporters to switch.

It's the candidates' jobs to get people to support them. Not ours.

Obama has clearly won this thing. Once it's really official, the Clinton supporters can either get on board (and try to make sure we don't get President McCain), or not. All the information they need to make the decision is out there. If they want to see it, they will. If not, it's no skin off my back.

I will give you one more


If Clinton supporters can endorse Obama

Then Obama supporters should KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO Obama/Clinton


For two reasons

1) It helps Clinton supporters adjust

2) What we say isn't going to have any impact on the issue. So why not keep an open mind? It might even be a good idea after everyone cools down. If not we can always go batshit later.

Stay away. I agree that we should concentrate on McStrange. If we concentrate on McCrazy, the rest will work out on it's own.

But please stay away from the Clinton/Obama discussions. Leave those for the trolls.

Sorry, if Hillary behaves badly, I'll criticize her.