The Clinton campaign shows its UTTER CONTEMPT for the rules, the Democratic party and voters. . .

. . .when it pushes the whole 2,209 number for total delegates. The RULES state 2,025 not 2,209 and on numerous occasions the Clinton campaign has acknowledged as much as evidenced below.

Hillary sees she has no chance of winning then she wants to change the rules. That is fucked up, FUCKED UP I tell you. By accepting 2,025 as the standard (which the campaign has done multiple times on the record) then moving the bar to 2,209 the Clinton campaign is showing utter contempt for the rules, the Democratic party and the voters.

Clinton supporter wonder why folks get so damned "nasty and mean" when it comes to Clinton they need to look no further than the moving of the delegate bar. AS SNL PUT IT LAST NIGHT, HILLARY HAS NO ETHICAL STANDARDS!!!

Before this campaign many Obama supporters (and supporters of other candidates) were fond of Hillary and would have been proud to support her in the general election, but we no longer feel that way and she has absolutely NO ONE to blame but herself and her campaign. This ain't the media's fault, this ain't Obama's fault its Hillary's fault.


From Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/7/14213/15981/452/511101
Howard Wolfson, January 26:
This remains a delegate fight, with 1,681 delegates at stake on February 5th, and 2,025 needed to secure the nomination -- and we are ahead in that fight.

Howard Wolfson, February 12:
"We don’t think either candidate will be able to get 2,025 delegates without the superdelegates," Wolfson said during Monday’s briefing, a prediction that may come down to whether Clinton can stem Obama’s February momentum by taking the majority of Texas's and Ohio’s 389 delegates on March 4 (Vermont and Rhode Island also hold contests that day).

Howard Wolfson, February 13:
"Superdelegates are supposed to vote their conscience. ... That's essentially what my friend David Axelrod said on the Today show. ... No one is going to win the nomination without them. Our goal is to get to 2025 delegates. " - Howard Wolfson

She lusts for power and will do ANYTHING to get it. Frightening how close she came to getting what she wanted.

so LET them push it.

. . .would Obama be allowed to do that?

she is a republican hack

So, going by your flailing little rant, Obama is a republican hack.

hillary wants it tossed in the garbage.

Thats a pretty big difference.

Hillary supported war with Iraq ....Obama didn't

Another HUGE difference.

Shall I continue ?

Fortunately, it seems to be backfiring.

a majority of the delegates? And that number will change depending on which delegations are seated, right?

. . .says otherwise, Hillary should play by the rules in place. She can lobby all she wants for the rules to change, but until they change the total is 2,025 and the Clinton campaign should be called out for their bullshit tactics.

or a majority of the seated delegates?

and the Clinton campaign, as noted by the OP, is on the record agreeing with that multiple times. Do you think you are convincing anyone with your inane argument?

. . .not when the Clinton campaign changes it. The Clinton campaign has to realize they are supposed to play by the rules, not make the rules. The arrogance is sickening.

I'm asking if the rule is 2025 delegates, or the majority of the delegates. You won't answer.

is the rule 2025 delegates, or is it the majority of the seated delegates?

Tim just pulled out a quote from 2003/2004 when Michigan tried to jump ahead of NH. Then DNC-Chairman McAuliffe was furious and said EXACTLY what Dean has said this election cycle.

Why is it okay for this to happen NOW when McAwful is Chariman of Clinton's campaign? What's in it for Terry McAwful?

Disgraceful set of double-standards when it comes to the Clintons. I hope they disappear from public view. And soon. :mad: :mad:

the smackdown. Hillarites' heads will assplode.

people start worrying more about their political futures. The deck may not be as stacked as we think.

16 members of Congress signed her letter last week. She has 78 endorsements from congress. The rest couldn't be found to sign the letter.

THe committee is in the tank for clinton interms of numbers of supporters, maybe they'll look at it objectively like they did with the SAME composition of people nearly a year ago. Or maybe they'll just explain it by saying: "We were for the stripping of the delegates...before we were against it". I can't understand why Ickes won't recuse himself, I think by the standards of many, judging a paid client in a matter relating to a case which is basically tied to your job description for that client (helping them win)

And her most partisan supporters will have fits.

But our friends here on the other side will avoid the obvious and tell us how wrong it is to disenfranchise all of those voters. They will not address the idiocy and mendacity of the loser attempting to re-write the rules of the game just before the clock runs out. They can't.

Obama was my third choice after my first and second choices failed. It really is time for Clinton's supporters to stop supporting her. Her campaign terminated a long time ago as a viable effort to win the 2008 nomination. Come and join us and help us beat down the republicans.

The Clintons and their DLC sycophants big-footed the DNC at that time and the FUBAR was assured. The rank hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign comes out LOUD and CLEAR.

Speaking as a Michigan voter, all I wanted was some respect and ATTENTION from the Democratic candidates to the severe economic problems in this state. Instead, we were told that we were "uppity" and the decades-long PRIVILEGE of demographically conservative states was sacrosanct.

The FUBAR cannot be undone. Period. Hillary's behavior merely exacerbates it.

And yet she wants the MI and FL delegates seated as is, with no delegates for Obama in Michigan. Never mind all the people who weren't able to vote for their candidates in Michigan because they had honorably removed their names from the ballots as agreed. It's proof that she cares about herself, and not the voters.

lol

And she whatever she needs to do to get it, regardless of consequences.