Why the opposition to Hillary is so fierce: It all boils down to what Bush said so well...

"Fool me once, eh, err... shame on... shame on you..."

I admit that when Hillary started her campaign for President, I was dead set against her. I disliked her for many years, based on things she had
done and said before becoming Senator of NY. But, after a while, I began to reprimand myself for being prejudiced and decided to give her
a second chance.

Begrudgingly, I started to admire her in many ways - her obviously good understanding of policy issues, her energy, her determination.
She was at her best during the long series of debates when she sounded a note of inclusion, praising the other Democratic candidates and
saying how any one of them would serve the country well. She seemed conciliatory. She seemed to want to dispel the image of herself as
a shrew, and softened her speaking voice. She laughed more (and that's a whole different subject) and snarked less.

Great! Life is wonderful and it's fantastic to be a Democrat!

And then the debates ended, and she reverted to type. Sarcasm dripped from the corners of her mouth. Nasty comments, well rehearsed,
started to replace the more collegial remarks. The cackle returned. Bill was set loose, with all his good points under wraps and all his vengefulness
on display. Her surrogates were sent out to drop their little hints and spread innuendo, a la Karl Rove. Dirty tricks popped up in the form of
robo-calls and subtle jabs ("No, Obama's not a Muslim, that I know of).

So now, all the people who stepped up and decided to give her a second chance are doubly angry that they've been fooled twice, against
their better judgment, and the blow-back is something she's earned, two times over.

And, just as the eye of the storm affords only a small window of peace before the hurricane hits with even greater force, so is the anger provoked by the
twists and turns of the hurricane created by the re-emergence of the Hillary we once knew.

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Though to be honest, I never gave her a second chance. My dislike of her only hardened as the primary went on.

is posted alone like that? I've seen it many times but have only a vague idea of what it represents.

Thanks, friend.

YMMV

1) well said

2)said in a agreement

3) can be used as a greeting, hey whats up

1..and 2...Yo u goin to that rocks tanite....word

3) word up

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word

I wondered what that meant when I heard one of my sons' friend say it, maybe 15-20 years ago.

And I couldn't stand it then and I cannot stand it now.

Whatever happened to "No fucking shit"?

:hi:

My Mom's generation would have to liked to wash your mouth out with soap for saying that....;-)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dead+man+walking

Dead man walking

1) An employee who is certain to be fired in the near future.

or, in this case, a candidate whose campaign is certain to end in the near future.

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I still use "Word?" almost daily.

These days my grandkids just sat "word."

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started the phrase. So there!

A raised hand became "talk to the hand" :D

After the preacher read from The Book, the congregation would say in unison, "Word", which I assumed to mean, "That's the word of God"....like Amen, but more emphatic.

It migrated from there to become an exclaimation point in everyday language.

I base this only on my own experience.

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As in what's new, what's happening, whats the latest? I guess somehow it got changed from being a question to being a statement.

AS comedian did a funny skit on it, comparing how men talk with each other versus women. Women tend to go on and on in their "greetings", turning them into full conversations. Men's greetings have gotten shorter and shorter. The comedian was speculating that men would shorten "word" up even more to simply saying the "d" sound -- "duh".

word usually means truth. see my other post below. i've never heard anyone use it the way you describe. If it's used as a question word means "really"? or "for real"?

thats only speaking for my generation.

"word is born" "word to your mother" "that's my word"

basically: you speak the truth

:hi:

:rofl:

like the sarcastic little snot Bush was back in 2000.

I admire irony

But irony isn't the same as biting sarcasm, and Bush disgusted me with his own brand of it in '00 and Hillary has disgusted me with hers the past few months.

She sounds just like him. Not just with the sarcasm, but with her rhetoric (bombing the piss out of Iran) and her whole I'm-staying-the-course attitude even when it's clear she can't win. Too eerily similar to the crap we've been living with for the past 7 1/2 years...

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above the fray.

after she is forced to concede.

rec.

She's not fooling anyone but herself

I'm so sick of this shit I could spit.

Then she seemed to change.

degenerate into snide race-baiting and Rovian tactics.

Now, I agree with the Greedy Old Pricks about as often as Halley's Comet makes an appearance...but in this case I'm afraid they are absolutely right...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041502883.html

After all, Republicans usually know a liar when they see one, since most of 'em see one every morning...in the bathroom mirror.

Luckily, we didn't get that far with Hillary.

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just like my own.

Even Doctor Phil would throw up his hands in frustration.:rofl:

aside so she could run for the Senate. In hindsight, I can now see that side of her even more in her campaign for the Presidency.

It is like she is was the "anointed" one because her last name happened to be Clinton. She was OWED the Presidency.

Sorry, I don't think so.

My friends watched the debates here in New York and they could tell she was lying right there..twisting words to suit herself better than reality did.

:headbang:

... vast right wing conspiracy...

the abuser and thereby becoming the same.

It makes a lot of sense you know, being inside the bubble for all this time has to have a serious effect on people.

I sure do wish she would get some sound advice from someone soon. I don't think she is getting it from the people around her.

I almost expect there to be loyalty oaths at her rallies pretty soon. It's freakish and very unnerving to observe.

That's it!

When we had the whole line of candidates in the race, I had Clinton in the middle of the pack. I was initially for Obama but Edwards got my attention. I thought we had an embarrassment of riches with so many good candidates. Once it came down to Hillary versus Obama my ambivalence about Hillary turned to disgust as I saw make one dumb move after another that could only be perceived as self-serving. The more I heard her he more I sensed that she was not genuine. If she doesn't give a damn about your party, she doesn't give a damn about you.

As in "I will lead you" and "I will wiork for you"

Obama made a point of being "we" and "us"

I think people are sick of being lead. We want someone who works with us.

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I made my mind up during the 1990s that I didn't want any part of the Clintons and this primary season has only served to reinforce that.

... Now she can fucking go to hell.

I can tell you, she's "poison" now. Who wants to touch that which she stands for anymore (i.e. crash and burn)? Remember what happened to O.J. Simpson.

give Hillary a chance, not be so negative toward her, etc., she'd say something nasty, divisive or racist that would piss me off and only make my dislike of her stronger.

If other people reacted the same way, it's no wonder his coffers are so full.

Hisownpetard, I did the same thing! I think I'll contribute every time Bill starts pointing his finger at anybody who questions him, and shouting at him or her. LOL That should help Obama a lot.

that's a campaign tactic with plants rather than spontaneous conflict. I will have to start a clip search, but I have now seen roughly 6 or so events where this happens, and it almost always occurs in the same manner. The person yells something, and he always says, "now wait just a minute, I let you talk, now you listen to me..." and he does his daddy speech with the finger wag. I may be creating my own conspiracy, but there are even YouTube clips of this from his campaign of the 90's. I guess I'll go on that scavenger hunt for them. In any case, I guess it's effective because it gets the crowd roaring. :P



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTQZnC-6a4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFemxqn9Tq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um_InN66yxg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enxcj-8aWk



Here are a few, but I've seen more. The first is from his campaign, and if you watch the expression on his face, it really seems planned. I could be wrong, but like I said, even if it a tool rather than actual confrontation, it's pretty effective. He shames them, gets the rally goers excited, and then gets to forcefully make his point. I think Hillary's done it a few times without the finger wag. Genius I guess. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsSvIIDTFr0&feature=related

Wow. Wasn't that kind of you.

But you will let me know when you find a woman good and pure and true enough to vote for for president. And then you'll have a good explanation as to why she isn't running. Won't you?

"Second chance," my ass. Still waiting for the first.

In fact, it was damn big of me (and anyone else who tried to give her the benefit of the doubt) after that extended display of
political and moral myopia.

And I have nothing against the fact that Hillary is a woman. I happen to be one myself.
Doesn't mean that she is automatically qualified to run for the presidency.

I never said I was waiting to find a woman who is "good and pure and true enough."
You said that, not I.
I just want to decide who the best candidate for president would be in 2008, and that would be someone who tries to be honest
and informative with the public, not someone who puts her own torque on everything in order to make herself look good, at
the expense of the truth.

That'd be acceptable.

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So, you have no problem breaking the Rules using Republican banter as a talking point against a Democratic nominee?

Seeing as how Hillary began her political career as a Republican...it's only fitting and proper that she end it as one.

Welcome to DU!

There are PLENTY of woman I'd love to vote for. Barbara Boxer is the first one who springs to mind. But because I reject the ONE woman running, the DLC-affiliated candidate who voted for the IWR, aligned herself with the Republican nominee, dissed grassroots activists, has run a crappy, race-baiting campaign, I'm suddenly a traitor to all of my sex? What bullshit! Hillary SUCKS as a candidate, and just because she has ovaries is NOT enough of a reason for me to vote for her!

Is it my fault or hisownpetard's fault there is not a decent candidate running who happens to be a woman? No, it is not. So get off your high horse.

I did, however feel some sympathy for her after a while because it did seem the press
was saying some sexist shit about her appearance and the whole "shrill" thing. I felt
I actually understood why a lot of women voted for her in NH after her tearful moment,
which seemed genuine to me. Once Edwards dropped out though, she just started using
Rovian attacks and her phoniness resurfaced in many different situations - debates, commercials,
interviews...the whole gas tax thing was just the most obvious one.

I was never going to vote for her in the primary, but she definitely reached a new low in my view.

And no honest person who has seen the Tuzla video or the pro-NAFTA meetings paper trail can possibly deny that she's lied, to our faces, repeatedly.

The Clintons were always pretty low on my 08 list, and I didn't hesitate to vote against them in my faux primary, but I have supported them, given the money, etc in the past. Over the last few months, they have proven to be more awful than my worst expectations. I agree with them on many issues, but the Clintons only care about the Clintons. I am sick of those kinds of politicians, and I ABSOLUTELY do not want them anywhere near the ticket. I wouldn't have said that a few years ago.

did that to themselves, at this point in their lives.

:thumbsup:

:hi:

Didn't they realize she'd have NO CHANCE in a general election?

CANT WAIT FOR THE HILLARY CONCESSION SPEECH!!

When America will know for sure it is finally rid of the Clintons for good, for ever and ever.

It's OBAMA-TIME !!!!!!!!!!

for her the way Bill shamed and humiliated her with Monica. I was so thrilled for her when she won the Senate cause it gave her back her dignity. I didn't really dislike her till she ran for president and was the "inevitable" one and all the others were treated like a joke by the media. I've gotten more and more disgusted with her as she has continued with the dirty campaigning. Sometimes I can be on the verge of almost liking her again and then she pulls out another scummy tactic. I don't believe I could ever like or tolerate her again cause I'm so disenchanted and disgusted.

who deserves more than 8 years in the White House would be the Franklin D. Roosevelts.

I think most of the country is exasperated with the Bush's and the Clintons - time for them to be long gone. But the prospect in 2012 of Hllary popping back up with her new campaign slogan:
"THIS TIME!".... . it could very easily happen in spite of a Barack win in '08.

The Listening Level is not high enough....

dismiss every one of them, because you want to.

and himself to much higher standards, and I think that's one of the things people really appreciate
and are actually grateful for.

Mud-slinging and name-calling is so pre-Obama!

Don't you ever back up your drive by insults? There are obviously many criticisms of the Clintons that are dead on true.

Your record on the other hand ...

Pot, kettle, black.

i never liked hillary all that much... and i would love to see a female or a minority in the whitehouse--- but not if they are not the best candidate

bill... people asked what he did as president... i would say that part of the job of president is to NOT FUCK THINGS UP... to simply guide the ship for 4-8 years without starting unjust wars, without spending our childrens' money, without crashing the marketplace, without screwing up the ecology, without offending all other nations---- sometimes being a good leader is WHAT YOU DON'T DO.

there were 9 GREAT CANDIDATES for the office.... 7 knew when to back off...

i wish hillary and billary the best. most of the time they represented the democrats well.

AND NOW FOR THE REAL MESSAGE....

JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN IS A TURD AND WE DEMOCRATS NEED TO KEEP OUR EYES ON THAT ALONE

... "her obviously good understanding of policy issues, her energy, her determination." You see, normally, a good understanding of 'policy issues' is requisite for being president. For some reason, there's been a waiver for Bush, and now Obama.

"she reverted to type. Sarcasm dripped from the corners of her mouth. Nasty comments, well rehearsed,
started to replace the more collegial remarks." And so, it's not 'policy issues' that count - it's personality, to the Obama supporter. Not experience, not the ability to win the states Democrats need to, nothing specific so much as "it's, like, hope and change, and all that. Crucial, dude. Whoa."

Who are you quoting?

stick them between quotes as if you're still quoting the OP.
Only I never said anything of the sort.

Being a policy wonk is not the only requirement.
Now, here's you *you* said: "And so, it's not 'policy issues' that count - it's personality, to the Obama supporter."
Personality??
No.
How about these: integrity, honesty, fairness, decency, respect and conscience?

Maybe that's your opinion and that of the majority of this Obama inclined board. The candidate who I think has fooled people is the rookie with his talk of unity and change. Yeah, we are soooo united in this party.

Hillary has done nothing to upset me during this election. What did you expect her to do? Cosset the newbie and make way for him? Please, I'm still shocked and appalled that the smoke and mirrors candidate has managed to bamboozle so many people and will probably end up being our nominee.

My feelings about Hillary also vacillated in the same way. I went in not liking her much, to begrudgingly admiring and supporting her intelligence and tenacity, to downright loathing her low-brow tactics, and now her sheer insanity. She now says she's within striking distance of the popular vote, as if that means a damn thing.

to this point.

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the race baiting, all the sleazy dlc types in her campaign and the list goes on

catch in her throat. Once you have that feeling about someone, it's hard to believe anything they say.

It's all Bosnia.

go figure!!

Who knew that we listened so well?