William Jefferson Clinton...STOP IT!

I'm so sick of the shit you've been dishing out since before South Carolina. The way you have trashed Obama even when your wife was still trying to take the high road is desipicable. One could ALMOST see why you would stoop to that when it seemed to be in service of a larger purpose--getting her the nomination.

But now that the will of the people and super delegates is becoming known, every step you tread down that road of race and class warfare remarks against your wife's opponent who WILL get the nomination are in service of the Republican Party. They are counterproductive to what we as Democrats think is the true mission at this point in time--getting the White House.

You and your wife seem more interested in cozying up to those who are for status quo and who have sought the spoils of great economic times in our country.

Help your wife realize it is over and people might be able to forgive you. If you do NOT change course and help all of your supporters that a great campaign season is closing and your are not on the winning side, then you and your wife will become pariahs in the new governing Democratic Party.

DO THE RIGHT THING, BILL! It's been awhile since you've tried that on for size....but you might find that sweater to be more comfortable than the straight jacket you seemed destined for right now.

The way you seal a positive legacy is by knowing when to fold 'em and signing on with Barack Obama. Anything less than your best support and communication skills to help Obama and to unite this party will be seen as a disloyalty that you will never live down.

Just remember what you were doing way back when in the service of Democratic principles. Renounce your association with the Bush Crime Family and come home to those who make America a better place.

Bill will support him. But right now he's campaigning for his wife. There's nothing wrong with that.

I don't think it will change much on a re-read.

forget who I was talking to, this blind loyalty has got to stop.

my disagreeing with you has got to stop. Well, it's probably not going to, so settle in.

I'm taking notes and taking lessons. :thumbsup:

It's outright lies.

they just figure out what is best for them and do it. Witness the chumminess with the former enemies like Newt and Bush Klan.

they're good democrats. They'll wholeheartedly support the nominee.

Do you really think the Clinton's have been 100% perfect this campaign?

ABC’s Jake Trapper, in a post on his blog almost written in dismay, notes how former President Bill Clinton is on now the hustings in rural West Virginia delivering a tough message that’s essentially divide-and-rule politics — the same he has delivered throughout much of the political season.
Trapper’s intro to the quotes nails the situation that is making the Clintons a political team that seemingly has decided to continue unabated to work to polarize their own party in order to generate poll turnout and then (presumably) plans to get in power and try to govern a unified country. Bill Clinton’s present campaigning and comments will likely seized upon as “proof” those who insist the Clintons (without proof) that the Clintons are really trying to lay the groundwork for a 2012 run, after a bruised Obama (largely bruised by the Clintons) flops at the polls.
Bill Clinton has the right to say whatever he wants, of course. But he’s a smart man. Brilliant, even.
He can do the math. He must know that it’s quite improbable that his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will be the Democratic presidential nominee.
So what purpose does it serve for him to barnstorm a state like West Virginia and tell rural voters that Obama and his elitist political/media cabal allies are mocking Appalachia?
He’s using the kind of language Democrats typically use against Republicans — as in, stuff you say when you don’t want voters to vote for the other guy under any circumstance.
This is tough stuff to walk back from.
Here’s one of Clinton’s quotes:

“Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say,” Clinton said. “And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you’re as smart as they are. She thinks you’ve got as much right to have your say as anybody else. And, you know, they make a lot of fun of me because I like to campaign in places like this, they say I have been exiled to rural America, as if that was a problem. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather be here than listening to that stuff I have to hear on television, I’d rather be with you. There is a simple reason: You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her.”
Trapper writes:
And on and on… Ginning up the resentments and the class divide (and maybe other divisions). … His message to these voters: Obama and the media are laughing at you and think you’re stupid!!!
Obama has a clear problem with white working class voters. This kind of rhetoric exacerbates it. Clinton knows that — he’s trying to drive up turnout to maximize his wife’s popular vote argument to superdelegates. He has every right to do so — the race is not over, no nominee exists yet.
But this is what keeps Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi up at night.
I’ve gotten lots of emails when I say it, but I’ll say it again — knowing that it will be confirmed as time goes on and when the increasingly self-tarnished legacy of Bill Clinton is detailed by historians.
Bill Clinton is one of the few former Presidents in American history who has left office and shrunk in stature during his post-Presidential years. He has squandered that special historical majesty that virtually all former Presidents develop once they exit the Oval Office. It’s an aura that grows as partisans start to gradually forgive a former foe and view him as the embodiment of a respected institution. Even Richard Nixon enjoyed a “comeback” in terms of media respectability towards the end of his life.
Bill Clinton has morphed into just one more spinning partisan ward heeler — demonizing opponents (except this time of his own party), making broad-brush statements that journalists and the other side could challenge and poke holes into, and exaggerating what the candidate who opposes the candidate he’s trying to elect (his wife) says.
Even worse for Senator Clinton. Even though he still remains beloved by many partisan Democrats, particularly by those who support Mrs. Clinton, some other less- partisan Americans will balk at voting for her because of him — particularly those Americans who are fed up with Rovian-Begala style campaigns where hatreds of this segment or that segment of society must to be stirred up to get angry or fearful voters flocking to the polls.
http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/19547/bill-clintons-message-of-divide-and-rule-in-rural-america/

....it has been that way in America for a decade or more. It's a waste of energy, really.

:kick:

But the lies and the divisions he is trying to cause are disgusting.

I just can't like them any more.

about how his granddad would be good to anyone coming into his store, black and white and would give help to poor blacks. he was taught about the evils of racism by his granddad. what a sad thing that bill has become less than his granddad wanted him to be. playing with the evil of racial division for personal benefit makes you a racist. anyone doing that is a racist. I don't want to see anything remotely resembling Jim Crow again. Bill should be ashamed but I think when it comes to his and her personal gain, he is shameless. witness some of his business contacts and hanging out with dickhead repukes who went after them obviously has been good for business.

The sheeple are being led over a cliff of chaos with obama. He's another version ow w - empty suit that blows in the wind---pander bear.

obama. just a pathetic string of insults. sad.

Reason: Obvious.

Well said!

Here's what Clinton had to say in Eastern Oregon today.

I don't see anything objectionable here... do you?

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/05/bill_clinton_takes_wifes_campa.html

"Things got temporarily testy at the Gresham stop, when Bill Dodds, who says he supports Obama, kept interrupting Clinton with questions about the North American Free Trade Agreement. Clinton eventually got Dodds to quiet down and when police moved in to escort Dodds out, the former president said to let him stay."

however, the "good" of such gestures is vitiated by the ugly ways he and Hillary describe Obama and indicate WHITE VOTERS won't vote for Obama unless they are "elite" whatever the hell that means.

just wow

You and I both know that has not been at all what those two have said but wow.

I am in shock.

Citing an Associated Press analysis "that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me," she went on to say: "There's a pattern emerging here."

The pattern is that there are people who are of a certain socio-economic status that are not finding him to be their cup of tea and so they are looking towards electing her.

That is all, nothing more and nothing less.

Not only that, she was citing the press's own analysis. Not saying "my campaign found that this is going on." Calm down, go get some ice cream and stop thinking abut this for a while.

It is clearly making you see things that are not there.

That demographic was much better for him in Indiana & NC. It's the opposite of sliding away.

...so back when she was given the assumption of telling the truth. She and the M$M are way beyond that campaign milestone. The truth wasn't really helping all that much so it quickly found a new home under the bus, while the goal posts hit warp speed.

if you listen to her, no white will vote. check the last three contests. upward momentum.

voters in racially challenged states, she's excused for exploiting their well-known resentments against non-Whites who killed the Confederate dream and took away their jobs? You see nothing wrong with that? The Clintons are riding the resentement train and exploiting the fears of uneducated, financially struggling Whites. What do you think of Bill's code speak about "those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules. In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it?"

We're all too familiar with the codewords for the uppity, arrogant Black man who doesn't know his place. While you may think the Clintons are too evolved to believe in places and whatnot, the Appalachian racists they're talking to believe in that and the Clintons know exactly what they're pandering to. Shame on them.

The disturbing pattern isn't that Whites of a certain socio-economic status aren't finding him to be their cup of tea, it's that the Clintons are exploiting those peoples' inate fears and making race relations worse. Places like W. Virginia need to be dragged into the 21st century, not have their retarded fears pandered to.

not the least of which is I like your avatar and your interesting Obama logo with the odometer reading from IRAQ to IRAN. Very clever.

trust me, they would rather eat dirt than vote for her.

RV, who knows about eastern oregon.

But based on the way the Clintons have been going, they're committed to the scorched earth policy. If she can't have it, she won't help Obama get it.

Not a bratty rant.

Makes sense to me. I always stuck by Bill and Hillary - that is until we got a taste of their Rovian politics. I cheered Hillary on when she ran for the senate. Then the cozy crap with old man Bush and the hand holding with Lieberman and then the prayer breakfast shit... I excused lots of it but I wish Bill would STFU.

He needs to stop fucking with the Democratic party and back off.

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but it is still bad in that it is playing off the fake meme of 'Obama is an elitist'.

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

Said in WV around beginning of May. He should have completed the thought. SOmething like "Take my wife and I. We believe there is a whole encyclopedia of rules that don't apply to us. Oh, and don't you love my ironic campaign statements?"

and then close on that "high" note. I'm going to do all I can to make sure Obama's victory in Oregon helps to mitigate that small victory of hers in Appalachia.

and the fact that they are so high on Hillary makes them suspect in my mind.

I never thought they'd be so stupid as to try capitalize on that in a campaign. I did (once) give them points for intelligence. :banghead:

THANKS for throwing us true liberals under the bus in the process, Bill!

:mad: I'm not feeling any forgiveness. This is betrayal.

STFU please Bill.

but they are troopers and know how the game is played. They will do their duty and stump for the newbie, even though that doesn't guarantee that they can convince her supporters to vote for Obama in the GE.

He's a patholigical liar, a sexual predator and a closet Repig. Plus he cheated on his wife who he is now pimping (badly I might add)... what an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. I can't until the Clintons move to Punjab.

back to all of your bigoted fans over a Free Republic.com?

You have no license talking about the Democratic Party you little troll.