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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:17 AM
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I _realistically_ think Obama will win in November
Several reasons:

1) Brilliant organizing

2) Extremely successful grassroots fund raising

3) Incredible articulation of issues and why this country needs to change

4) The Bush Regime is the most unpopular in modern history

5) Dean's 50-state strategy kicking in big-time, as Republican electoral power wilts


John Kerry in 2004, as good a guy he was and is, had none of these five things.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:26 AM
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1. I so hope you're right...
We MUST win this ...


K&R


:patriot:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:11 AM
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5. As an Outsider i strongly think Obama has this in the bag! McCain is a mess
i think you Americans are now fully awake of the disaster happening around you and i think "not this time"...i think change is a comin'
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:16 AM
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8. Obama will gain 5 to 10 points immediately
when Hillary drops out and it is a legitimate question of Obama vs. McCain in opinion polls. Also, as the Democratic attack machine kicks in on McCain with full force, he will look worse over time. Meanwhile, there are a whole bunch of Republicans and Independents who haven't REALLLY been paying attention to Obama. When they start doing so in the summer and fall, they will like what they see.

This has the possibility to be a huge exclamation point to close out Bush's regime as 'Murricans' completely reject what Bush and his crime family stand for.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:48 AM
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2. Here is how I realistically see November looking
Edited on Mon May-12-08 01:55 AM by hnmnf


Everything I put I agree with except Nebraska will be red.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:13 AM
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6. we may surprise you here in NC
people are pretty fed up

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:49 AM
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17. I wont be surprised. I just for the moment see it looking this way and losing NC very close.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:30 AM
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13. Nebraska will be red, but Obama will do better there than previous Democrats have done
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:07 PM
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32. he might get 2 electors
because they are not winner take all and he is fairly strong in the east.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:56 AM
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19. Way too optimistic. In NV, OH, and NH
Obama is well behind according to some recent polls, and they're not the kind of states where he does well in. Virginia may look good according to recent polls, but it would take everything to go right to win a state like that.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:58 AM
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20. Obama will win all three of those states
you heard it here first.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:46 PM
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29. He should win New Hampshire. And maybe Nevada
Ohio I don't know about...Virginia I think will be in play, and he has a chance of winning it.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:11 PM
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30. A recent poll put him 10 points behind McCain in NH. Virginia
would be a monumental task to win, despite the closeness in the polls.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:53 AM
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3. Oh you hope-mongers
and your high priced kool-aid.

:sarcasm:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:09 AM
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4. Oh, and a small thing.....
We have good looks, charisma and youth on our side. That may seem like a small thing, but I actually think that it is more important than we sometine want to think.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:15 AM
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7. I was thinking the same -- it DOES help (was reading the same thing in psych class)
your spot on for sure! It's just human nature to gravitate to a better looking, charismatic, youthful leader....McCain is in trouble and would explain why they, in a paranoid state, misunderstood but still jumped all over Obama's "losing his bearings" comment...their internal polls are likely showing this pattern.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:19 AM
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9. And it's gonna be a big job, and Obama is definitely more fit for it......
McCain, not so much.

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:24 AM
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10. hey there. I agree.
there are so many positives. Obama is handsome and cool. hard to deny. When my coworkers and I showed our HR director woman some pics we took of Obama her comment was "I'LL vote for him".

and compared to McCan't??? FUGGEDABOUDDIT!!
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:26 AM
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11. 6) Americans want to have a symbolic President representing the turning of a new page
7) He's really handsome
8) Sen. Obama has the support of a great deal of Americans that most Americans respect and/or idolize
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Rubiconski2009 Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:29 AM
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12. Why do you think they're trying SO HARD to stop him?
Senator Obama is involving ordinary folks more and more into the process of governance.

He is bringing back that sense of citizenship that has long been lost.

If the desired outcomes are peace, prosperity, principle and power then It takes ingenuity, passion and love for the country, character, integrity, ability to make sound judgments, ability to unify and not divide, and strength.... to govern.

Barak Obama is a true American phenomenon.

Able to reach a part of all Americans that makes them proud to be a part of these United States and eager to serve it.

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:45 AM
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14. Has he ever won a contested election?? n/t
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:46 AM
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15. has she?
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:48 AM
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16. His organizing has all been aimed to win the primaries.
It's a whole new ballgame in the general. McCain is the one candidate who could get away with distancing himself from the Shrub regime. 50-state strategy is essentially geared at Congress, state and local elections. Such a strategy is a waste in a presidential election, in which Obama has no shot to win in 25 states.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:54 AM
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18. you make no sense.
those people signed up to help in primaries are the lifeblood of a campaign doing a get out the vote campaign.

and for you to say McCain CAN distance himself from Bush and legacy is much different than him actually DOING IT. See, he's signed on for another 100 years of Iraq, making tax cuts permanent, taking Iran on with bombing and invasion, not knowing much about the economy, etc. etc.

McCain is actually MUCH WORSE for the GOP chances than Mitt Romney would have been.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:59 AM
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21. Disagree about Romney. He would have been a sure loser in the general.
McCain is a more formidable GE candidate.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:04 AM
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22. McCain has no base. No GOTV. That's a problem.
Think about it.

Obama brings in new voters.

McCain depresses his base voters.

Obama takes the Independents who no longer wants war.

Mccain takes the Independents who likes war.
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:11 AM
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23. it will be....
Obama. In what passes for a landslide these days....(what with the cheating and all). A lot of regular type folks I know, are voting for him...people are really fed the fuck up!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:34 AM
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24. There are two things that concern me
1. The Bradley Effect of black candidates polling higher than their performance.

and

2. Election Day "engineering" - everything from Voting Machines, to longer lines in poor neighborhoods, to ID laws disenfranchising students and elderly, to shoddy equipment in poor, black neighborhoods - 99% of which favors Republican electoral performance.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:44 AM
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25. The voting machines are my one and only concern.
Obama is a brilliant candidate and should win by a large margin, but they still own the voting machine companies. For me, this election is a test of whether we have any democracy left at all.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:05 AM
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26. Obama really needs to address this issue
He needs to prepare the public for what they are going to experience. He needs to start telling people that they should take the day off on Election Day if at all possible and be prepared for lines that could take several hours. He needs to inspire people to demand their right to vote when some asswipe at the poll tells them that they cannot. Part of his mobilization and volunteer network needs to be people looking into all the requirements and obstacles for voters in each and every precinct, and response teams to go into action when vote suppression campaigns are launched.

Hell, why not preemptive strikes, like ads designed to educated the public in non-partisan ways:

He should run ads telling people in each state the requirements to vote and warn people of differing messages designed to confuse them. "Brought to you by the Barack Obama Campaign for President." Slam-dunk. It's a message impossible to criticize and serves to secure a higher turnout - something that pretty much always favors Democrats.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:30 PM
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27. I'm sure that this will be his plan, to inform the electorate AMAP!
The wants to win as much as do....which is why his campaign has pushed for those with early voting to early vote.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:38 PM
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28. Glad I'm not the only one. I predict a landslide for Obama in the fall.
Seriously. :toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:03 PM
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31. I think so, too...
America needs to be smarter not go down that dumbshit road again like the mediawhores would lead us.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:19 AM
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34. Rasmussen puts it at a 61.2% possibility
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:21 AM by Douglas Carpenter
"Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 61.2% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes. The GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are added, the Democrats lead 260 to 240 (see summary of recent state-by-state results). The ongoing competition between Obama and Clinton may be causing angst for party leaders, but the competition has been good for the Party label.

Among all voters nationwide, Obama is viewed favorably by 51%, McCain by 49% (see recent daily favorable ratings).

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama holds a 52% to 42% advantage over Clinton nationally (see recent Democratic Nomination results). As noted Friday, Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up. Among all voters, Clinton is viewed favorably by 46%"

"Clinton leads in two upcoming primaries where the demographics work in her favor--West Virginia and Kentucky. Obama leads in Oregon. Data from Rasmussen Markets give Obama a 90.0% chance of winning the nomination. "

link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:09 AM
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35. I've strongly felt we're going to lose since we won in 06, and I still do
I've strongly felt for most of the last year and a half that we're going to lose the White House this election, but gain some seats in congress. I haven't changed my mind now either (even though I'm an Obama supporter), though I have changed why I felt that way overtime.

Reasons why I think we're going to lose.

1) I'm sorry to say it, but there's just too much arrogance and overconfidence in our party this year, there has been since our 06' victories. So many people I've seen saying "there's no way we'll lose no matter who we run" over the last 18 months. Pride often leads people to a downfall, when they get too overconfident they've got something in the bag and let their guard down. We have let our guard down with all of the stuff said in the primaries that the republicans can use against us.

2) Parties that have a long drawn out primary fight like ours rarely win the general election. This primary battle has inflicted wounds on Obama and Hillary's images. Worse yet, a few of the ads Hillary aired (like the one with Osama in it) will allow the republicans to air similar things, and when we complain they can say "well Hillary did something just like it, and half of you were perfectly fine with that".

3) I've sadly come to the conclusion studying the electoral maps and past elections, and trends, that the electoral college is very heavily biased against us. The republicans have more very safe states then we do, and despite the republicans losses in congressional races, not much has changed on the electoral college map with each candidate (although each has a stronger grip on some swing states of each party, and weaker grips on other swing states).

4) Michigan and Florida democrats who didn't stand up to the republicans and stop them from moving their primaries up early. It's committing general election suicide to move the largest swing state in the nation (Florida), as well as a moderately strong democrat state worth a lot of electoral votes (Michigan) up early enough in the primaries in violation of party rules when they know that democrats will be stripped of all their delegates, while republicans will lose only half of them. Gee, half delegates gone, or all delegates gone, makes it really obvious who they would be pissed off more at over losing delegates.

5) The media is on McCain's side, he's the guy who can do no wrong to them, and when he does do wrong then the media will ignore it, or tone it down a lot. Clinton meanwhile, her and her supporters have been complaining that the media is biased against her (for good reason). The media is biased against Obama to with how they had the one sided reporting of the Wright scandal on old sermons. I read one article commenting on Wright going on that show (I forget where) for an interview after it died down initially, and it said that Wright came off as a very reasonable man throughout the whole interview, so what did cable news media do after talking about the promo of the interview reviving talk of the scandal, they ignored the interview itself, and never commented on how it's content would effect Obama. Do you see the media making controversy out of radical pastors McCain has sought endorsements from, of course not, because they love McCain. I saw a video of one such pastor, who was basically a racist condemning all Muslims, including innocent American ones. (I forget exactly how he said it, he may have associated Hamas with them all)

6) With the recent Supreme Court ruling upholding voter ID laws it's going to hurt us, at least one swing state, Missouri, is seeking to get even tougher voting laws passed before the November election (in the form of a state constitutional amendment, because that pesky state supreme court overturned the last voter ID law). This new voter ID law being proposed there that voters would vote on during the governor's primary in August would force voters to have proof of citizenship to stop illegal immigrants from voting (and unfortunately you know how immigrant hating can get people to jump on that side of an issue). It's a blatant attempt to make sure that Missouri stays in the GOP's hands in November.

7) Unfortunately, one thing I feel strongly about from the last presidential election, is that we just plain suck in comparison to the GOP at negative attack ads. I could have thought of half a dozen 100% true and very damaging attacks on Bush myself, but almost all of our attacks on Bush just felt so weak to me. I don't have much hope that we'll be any better at such attacks against McCain either. I mean come on, which sounds worse to you, "Candidate A has sucked up to Bush for 8 years and would be Bush's 3rd term" or "Candidate A has been endorsed by a terrorist organization, he's a threat to our security with his cut and run strategy" (what McCain basically said about Obama recently, even though it was just one person in Hamas who said they liked Obama).

8) In 2004 John Kerry's campaign was flat broke after he secured the nomination, so what did the GOP do, they quickly threw up negative attack ads labeling Kerry a flip flopper, etc, while he had no way to defend himself. What did we do when John McCain won the nomination and was flat broke? Absolutely nothing except throw more mud at each other. We've lost a golden opportunity, and it's too late to launch such an attack against him when he's broke now, because he's not broke anymore, and he probably won't be again.
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