This Is Clearly Overkill

Let me preface my remarks by saying that I will vote for Barack Obama in November because he has a (D) after his name on the ballot but posting here and reading the attacks on Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton ensures it will be the most joyless vote I ever cast...What the fuck did Chelsea Clinton do to raise everybody's ire... I'd walk through hot coal and eat rusty nails to help my parents attain any goal they chose but I digress...She's just helping her mom...You have to be pretty messed up not to...

I racked up over 30,000 posts at DU but can't post here anymore because the only thoughts I have are angry ones and once I engage it's very hard to walk away...

Don't take the race so personally. I think everyone gets carried away a little with the rhetoric b/c it's the internet. :hi:

See ANYTHING that doesn't treat Clinton AND her supporters like lying racist Nazis?

FUCK the "It's just the internet" shit. The same garbage is going on in the real world. This used to be a place to feel safe from the Neocon assholes. Now we've just grown our own.

Thank you. You proved my point. Just because I don't voice the numerous reasons I STRONGLY do not support Obama (out of politeness) is no reason not to think I don't have them, and they are, in my opinion, honestly held.

Nice post, Mussolini.

take a deep breath and go have a cigarette or latte or something. you are way too wound up over this stuff.

Although my post didn't mention you by name or even hint at you
by class-of-poster, you "went off" on me with a vile, ad-hominem
attack based on what you (erroneously) read-into both my post
and my (assumed) candidate allegiance.

And, as I say, that proves my point very effectively; thanks.

Tesha

:grr:

You insinuate a different "Root Cause," hinting at the cause being the candidate, and therefore the supporters.

A=B=C.

I made no attack on you; you're killing the messenger. Look at yourselves. Have I said ONE NEGATIVE THING about YOUR candidate here?

I rest my case.

But in retrospect, that post did make an interesting sort of
Rorschach blot test, didn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_inkblot_test



It sure proved something about you.

Tesha

he was a fascist

If the kibosh were properly put on the nonsensical posts. I mean, what does it accomplish now? We need to unite, and all the hate here is continuing the divisiveness.

What is the point in having 100+ Hillary hate threads going at any given time? What is gained from this?

Because they aren't based on logic or reality.

Unless you are clearly trying to prove the point of the OP.

I am told on a daily, hourly, minute by minute basis that this race is NOT over, Hillary is NOT conceding, and she is "in it to win it".

WHY based on any of that, should we ease up on Billary?

Easing up on her now gives them a free pass to attack OUR PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE in any way she chooses without fear of retort. I want her and all her supporters to know that at least THIS Obama supporter is still paying attention. And I am still going to call them out on any and all bullshit I see... WHICH IS A LOT!!! I'm not easing up on her until I hear a god-damned concession speech.

Obama isn't the presumptive nominee until he reaches a total of 2025 delegates.

But then, don't let facts get in the way of your venting....

No, it's so long as it can influence the outcome that you'll hurl baseless invective.

Hillary wasn't my favorite. Obama I could take or leave - it's his supporters around here that nauseate me.

is not an attack

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=586

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=537



And he describes Obama mania as a "strange mass psychosis" with "zealots who have constituted themselves as a mob" and have "zero tolerance for criticism of The Leader." He says Obama maniacs are even "more vicious" than fans of performers (as fanatical as they can get), since they've "convinced themselves that the hopes and dreams of The Race are perfectly embodied in The Candidate." He writes about their "intensity of hatred." He says they have become "psychologically bonded to some idea of Obama" -- based on what they project onto him of their own hopes and dreams and positions, not what he really is.

These are the zealots he's talking about. I think MOST Obama supporters are rational. But I'd guess the irrational zealots are a larger percentage on this board, or at least more vocal. They're the ones who aren't content to let the primary season wind down, even if they're sure they're winning. The ones who can't get through a day without posting at least one topic about how much they hate Hillary and her supporters, or how certain they are whites are racists unless they support Obama. If Hillary's ahead in a state, they'll ridicule the entire state with crude jokes and pictures.

And some of them may be GOP operatives, winding up Obama supporters to attack other Dems, in the hope of driving them away. God knows we've seen an awful lot of posts here from people announcing they don't need Hillary's supporters to win the general election.

But I think most of what's going on is irrational projection and over-identification with a candidate. Fortunately they're the minority among Obama supporters. But they're a noisy minority.

Helluva way to strive and achieve UNITY!!

And no matter how many times I ask, no one can tell me why these posts need to be, what the OP gets out of them, and how do they work toward furthering the Democratic cause?

Are they putting crap in our water?

y'know? for many many reasons, a profound sense of betrayal. Hillary embodies so many frustrations. It'll slow down.

I recommend all Obama supporters take a moment and read the original post. You have been way to full of yourselves for sometime now, and, for no apparent reason.

We're all elitists, and we think we're better than everyone.

Although I find that they clash with my tiny studio apartment and my total lack of a dinner table.

I saw a dinette for $99 at Ikea. I may get one yet!

;)

I couldn't look them in the eyes if I didn't vote... Voting for McSame is not even an option...

This board is literally painful for me to read... If I responded to posts that offend me I would only get into long pissing matches that lead to nowhere...

:eyes:

Sad, isn't it.

"it will be the most joyless vote I ever cast" What if they had a clause that a vote under duress doesn't count? 50 percent of Dems' votes and 50 percent of Repubs' votes would probably be tossed. :D

I'd feel the same way were things reversed. Obama will earn your respect if you give him a chance.

But the mere risk of administration filled with people of the mindset I've encounter on DU is pretty chilling.

I don't have a link but maybe someone else does. I have never made a comment about her, but I understand why someone else would.

insults activists or Obama's supporters... that's "just politics" and it's OK.

When posters HERE do it... we're undermining our party's chances for success in the GE.

mean sewer.:puke:

step back, get some perspective....come back when you're ready.

:toast:

I used to come here to feel SAFE from the bloviating assholes that couldn't shut up for ONE SECOND about how Bush was all that.

NOW I get to hear how I and my candidate are stupid Nazis just because we disagree with the other candidate.

WHAT perspective? You made us Clinton supporters feel just like the Neocons had made ALL of us feel in the past: like targets.

YOU owe US an APOLOGY. Period.

Whistle up your ASS for my support. Why should I support ANYONE who thinks like that about me and my opinions?

going to sit here and kiss ass to people who called me a sexist, stupid, ignorant, etc. for the past 2 months just because their candidate lost. Bad things were said by both parties. Sick and tired of people playing the Martyr.


Sorry.


BTW my candidate never insulted the other candidate's supporters...yours personally insulted us.

You don't want to acknowledge that both campaigns and candidates have been snide and accusatory? Fine

Burn me at the stake. I refuse to worship St. Barack, since you hold him sinless.

but I'm sorry you're still carrying a lot of anger over exchanges you've had with people here, regarding Clinton and Obama.

I trust this animosity among the party will pass because too much is at stake if we don't unite.

We need to keep the Bigger Picture, which is what I meant about perspective.

I look forward to McCain being the target in the fall, don't you? :toast:

Urge your Kammarada here and in the real world to start. NOW.

Personally, I've taken more shit for my opinions in the REAL WORLD than here. I looked on this place for a little common decency, and what did I get? Pissed on. And it's still happening.

The fact that you're chewing her out for something she has no control over says more about you than it does her.

I urged her to encourage her FELLOW SUPPORTERS to emulate her example.

God this is boring.

Urge your Kammarada here and in the real world to start. NOW.

Your tone certainly didn't help, either.

And you got in her face here for no apparent reason:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5936961&mesg_id=5937094

Frankly, all of you can do whatever the fuck you want. As for me, you're almost past the point of no return.

:eyes:

Ignored.

But I'm not putting you (or anybody) on ignore. I'm the adult here.

instead of getting upset and angry.

It does not serve you or any of us to continue focusing on what separates us, rather than on what unites us.

And I say that with respect to everything: politics, culture, gender, race....the list goes on and on....

The truth is, we are ONE and we need to remember this is all just an illusion.

(this is probably too deep for GD :P, but that's what I think) :rofl:

Personally, I'm at the point where I want to "Let all the poisons that lurk in the muck hatch out." Maybe it just has to hit bottom before we can fix anything.

The Real Tyler was right after all.

focus instead on the WATER, itself.

It's all good.

:thumbsup:

with language like "kammarada"
you cant walk into a room insulting people and then demand "common decency"

to accuse others of bad behavior? Jesus, what cognitive dissonance.

I understood the point the first hundred times.

I have enough people like that to put up with out here. This just gives me one more reason to look elsewhere for camaraderie.

:eyes:

Hang from their cross of self-pitty.

You guys just don't know how to quit when you're behind, do you?

You've probably won...Time to shut up and make nice.

I hope Hillary supporters (99% of whom I am fine with) vote for Obama in the GE, but for those few holdouts who demand being catered to for every perceived slight in this campaign (while ignoring their own side's attacks), I have no sympathy.

McCain or Obama: pick one.

I've been doing this for almost 40 years, and I smell a disaster if you people don't wise up soon. It's not up to US to drink your kool aid. It's up to YOU to make us feel a little more comfortable around you guys after you've pissed all over us (unwarranted in our eyes.)

Obama will be the nominee. It's either him or McCain.

Pick. One.

and the base of the party (aka people who come to this forum)
then there wouldnt be as much venon tossed back in her direction.

but i forget, you dont care that her campaign started the nastiness... you just care because somebodys feelings got hurt and it wasnt obama or his supporters.

It's like you have political fucking TOURETTE'S SNYDROME.

Try reading a preview and then THINKING about how it will sound to someone who's good will you are trying to obtain.

Hillary Clinton attacks Move On

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/hillary-clinton-attacks-moveon/

We're not the ones with "political Tourette's".

and it flows like water (while I refrain from the little innuendo that I see, because there's no point).

by bloggers and other kinds of writers.

I am an activist. I am part of the base of this party. I support Clinton.

"Clinton did it" belongs at Freeperville.

MoveOn is now an unofficial organ of Campaign Obama. So is she WRONG?

You join the campaign, you're fair game.

Nobody's hands are clean here, sport, but you're the ones that have convincing to do.

But keep up telling us how awful we and our candidate are. We'll just have to believe we're too ROTTEN to grace your saint with our slimy support.

It may as well be you who owes us an apology. Sen. Clinton took this fight to the gutter after Super Tues. OBama supporters are just supposed to ignore her attacks on a fellow Dem? They are supposed to ignore her saying McCain would be better than Obama? YOU actually supported a candidate that did these things and you expect Obama supporters to apologize? You are made to feel like a target? Could be you deserve to be a target.
You are fucking delusional.

You need all the friends you can get in November.

You're not making them. And because I choose not to join you in your gutter, doesn't mean I don't have Anti-Obama shit to throw. It's counterproductive, and in this place, pointless.

I mean, the way you CAPITALIZE certain words in posts just completely convinces me that I'm a worthless, steaming pile of dogshit for being an Obama supporter. As you have told us on numerous occasions, all bad things this primary all the sole responsibility of the supporters of Barack Obama.

Quit bitching about "counterproductive." Your posts are nothing but, and the only reason they're read and responded to is because many of us find amusement in watching your meltdowns.

:rofl:

And I have said all the time that the whole damned primary process is fucked. I don't really like either of them, but hey, at least Clinton Supporters never insinuated I was a Nazi of some kind.

Dream on sport. I'm as cool as a cuke. Always am. Sorry to disappoint.

...where you or any Hillary supporters were called "stupid Nazis"?

Or did you make that up?

It's called "calling out." Have you read the rules?

Thought so.

Franticly jousting at imaginary insults....:eyes:

I couldn't agree with you more. I saw (and responded to) a post today gloating because Chelsea had to drive through streets filled with Obama signs while campaigning for her mother. It was so over-the-top and mean spirited. I probably shouldn't have responded but it got my hackles up.

I lost a lot of respect for Chelsea on two occasions:

1. When she took the self-righteous stance when asked about Monica Lewinsky. She is campaign for her mother. Her mother paid off Paula Jones (Bill Clinton didn't pay a DIME). Bill's multiple dick-gates distracted the national agenda FOR YEARS. He is currently involved with another woman, Belinda Stronach. As voters, we have the rightto ask for information that helps us assess whether Bill's inability to control his dick would set us up for yet another administration where we can get litle done because of the constant upheaval about his revolving-door fly. Our country is in a helluva mess and we just cant stand the distractions. I thought it was a shitty response to take: as if voters are wrong to ask about something that caused our country such grief. She is an adult, campaigning on her own as an adult. If she doesn't want to answer questions as an adult, then she should stay home with a babysitter.

2. When she let her mother's sniper-fire lie go unchalenged. It was dishonest. I expected better from Chelsea. She seems like a responsible woman. It was at that point thatI realized: she simply cannot be a responsible, honest woman. It is obvious she is a Clinton, and the Clinton DNA is obviously polluted beyond redemption.

Understand, during the Bill Clinton administration I was a stalwart defender of Chelsea, as I was Hillary. But the more I am exposed to the Clintons now, the more I recoil from their complete lack of ethics, integrity, honesty and honor.

end soon. Maybe you could just take a break. I'm sorry some Obama supporters insist on
being jerks. This too shall pass...

:hug:

showcasing a beautiful picture of Chelsea and her mother. I said that, no matter what you think of the Clintons, you have to respect how they raised an amazing daughter despite the harsh glare of the White House. I also said that, when the Obamas make it to the White House themselves, they'd probably love to have some advice from the Clintons on how to raise young girls in such a crazy fishbowl.

You'd have thought I was a member of the KKK or something given the responses I got from a few of my fellow Obama supporters here on DU.

Anyway, I forgave them, just as I hope that you will forgive all of us and come back soon.

Count on it and look to the source of that rather than wagging your finger in the faces of people who want to get on with the business of kicking John McCain's sorry ass.

Hillary has LIED openly numerous times. She continually distorts and twists facts and logic. She is placing emphasis on the importance of the "WHITE" vote. She is disparaging our presumptive nominee. Her surrogates have THREATENED Pelosi, Dean, the DNC, and the DCCC.

Bill has race-baited and wagged his finger and has unleashed various tirades throughout the campaign. What's worse, anyone who comes out in support of Obama is branded a TRAITOR and slandered in the press.

They have made the mistake of taking endorsements of Obama as a personal affront instead of recognizing that people have a different opinion about who would make the better president. Their treatment of Richardson and Andrew I think were awful... just to name a couple.

Chelsea.... now here's my problem. i adore chelsea. I always have and I probably always will - unless she turns out like her parents. BUT she is a GROWN WOMAN who has chosen to be involved in Hillary's political campaign. She can go out and stump for her mom, but not have to face tough questions or scrutiny? Why is she untouchable? I think it's fine you are helping your mom, but when campaigning, you have to take the bad with the good. She's trying to have it both ways. Secondly, and this hasn't been talked about to a large extent, but because her mother is a wretched liar, Chelsea has been put in the position multiple times of either having to publicly say that her mother is incorrect OR lie herself to protect her mother's lie. She has been made complicit in the lies. That angers me MUCH more with Hillary than with Chelsea.

Truth is an absolute and I don't care to be lied to. Not by Hillary. Not by Bill. Not by Chelsea. Not by anyone. And to do so SO BLATANTLY is just insulting to my intelligence and I take offense.

Like it or not (and believe me I don't like it) Chelsea is a surrogate of this campaign. She CHOSE to be an official speaker of the campaign. She is NOT A LITTLE GIRL. She is a grown woman. If she were 12 I could see your outrage. But she is 28. Old enough to run for public office herself. People have every right to scrutinize her as much as they scrutinize any other campaign surrogate.

Do you think Sen Obama told the whole truth when he said he wasn't in the pew when Rev Wright said controversial things? Perhaps he wasn't there when the 2-3 really offensive statements that made youtube but do you really believe he never heard anything that bad?

Also, what did you think when Sen Obama kept having to change the dollar amount that Mr.Rezko donated to him. It changed at least twice.

So Mr/Ms truth is absolute - how did you feel about those two things?

Frankly, I don't give a shit - I'm just tired of hypocrisy. Both candidates suck but I will vote for whoever has the D behind his/her name as they are still head and shoulders above mccain.

Regarding Jeremiah Wright (cause you guys just never get sick of beating THAT dead horse...)
1) I take Obama at his word that he didn't hear those statements - Is there video of Barack being in the audience as he shot off his mouth? NO? Well there is evidence of kisses and poems in Bosnia instead of the sniperfire that Hillary claims. It was just such and OBVIOUS LIE and INSULTING TO THE INTELLEGENCE of EVERYONE she lied to. When I went to church, I barely remember what the guy was ranting about anyway either because I skipped church, wasn't paying attention, or wrote him off as the wacky speaker I had to sit through before we got to Sunday lunch.

2) Even if he did hear those statements, SO THE FUCK WHAT?! Why didn't we ask Kerry to denounce the Catholic church because they don't believe in birth control, abortion, homosexuality as not immoral, or women in the priesthood. It's all NOISE and IRRELEVANT.

Regarding Rezko... I freely admit it is an issue I don't know much about. I really haven't heard much talk about it. But having worked for campaigns before I know that adjustments are made to the numbers and amounts of donations frequently for a myriad different reasons. It's within the REALM of possibility to believe that there was no malfeasance. IF there was, I'd like some proof if you have it. I promise to read it with an open mind.


Do you have any response to anything I said about Chelsea or her parents?

lies that concern you? Got it.

For the record, I never said that Sen Obama should denounce or reject his pastor. That was his decision. The issue was that you CLAIMED to be a truth absolutist. I see now that was hyperbole. And, ironically, makes you out to be the liar.

Why should I believe he DIDN'T hear Rev. Wright's sermon? Just cause you said so? Because of innuendo? Is it possible that he wasn't there that day. HELL YEAH. I'm betting a real busy guy like him missed a lot of sermons. Back when I went to church, I missed a lot of sermons. And when you were in a very social church with your friends, I bet you don't hear everything. I know I would occasionally and chat with my gfs in the back. And then there's the kids. You think any parent with kids hasn't ever had to leave the sermon for a moment to take a screaming kid outside? You don't think the Obama's travel a lot? You don't think that in all this time of community organizing that there might have been a few sundays when he had to work? Or days when he was campaigning for the Illinois State Senate or the US Senate or the Presidency?

I believe Barack and will continue to until someone PROVES me otherwise. It's on you. But no, all you got is, "You mean to tell me that in 20 years he never heard him say that?"

I can give you a god-damned video tape of Hillary LYING 4 TIMES about being in mortal danger, under sniperfire, running/ducking off the tarmac... and compare that to the REAL VIDEO FOOTAGE of the 8year old girls reading her poems and giving her kisses.

It's beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact of the matter is: She is a LIAR. And a bad one.

Do you have anything like that? A video or audio tape? A transcript? Documents?

In that case Scooter Libby can sleep soundly at night, as can most of the Bush administration.

Have a little judgment for the circumstances of what you call a lie and decide whether it's deliberate, done with malice, and the overall record.

Sniper-fire LIE? Eh. Tired, long campaign - cut her a break I say.

All this Rezko stuff on Obama? I say it's near impossible to be a presidential candidate and not have some ambiguities to one's financial record. It's part of being rich. Unless they have him in the room accepting money from a foriegn national I'd cut him a break.

Yet look at Bush's parsing on the pretense for war: "We have discovered that the British have learned the Iraqis are attempting to build weapons of mass destruction."

Technically true on many accounts - The suborned boutique intelligence operation Chenery set up to launder his arbitrary suppositions did make a discovery. The British did learn something - something untrue. The Iraquis were trying to build weapons of mass destruction - not that they had much of a credible chance of making much progress.

All technically true, but when you look at the deliberate phrasing, the obvious malice for the public's right to be represented in issues of war, and Bush's overall record, it becomes clear that some "lies" pale to insignificance in relation to some "truths"

Judge the tree by it's fruit.

The Clinton years were not so bad - they were up against a lot.

Perfect? No.
Evil? No.
Deserve to get treated like they do around here? Resounding NO.

Apparently, I'm just supposed to take your word for it. No thanks.

The point is, you can't run around saying slanderous stuff about people with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever.

I'm saying that one needs to apply some judgment so one doesn't lose sight of essential issues. I'm saying the "sins" that are used to grind away at Democratic candidates are mere virtually nonexistent rounding errors when we compare them to what the Bush administration and the Neocons have done with even their "non-violations" of the law.

Maybe we can get the bar raised after we recover from the past 7+ years, but we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good and prevent us from having any sensible, pragmatic discussion of what's going to fix the situation the country is in.

The choice between Obama and Clinton should never have been about who's squeaky clean or voted for or against Iraq - we need to choose the person best suited to scouring the Bush administration's crap off of this country.

Reasonable people can differ on who would best do that.

My position on Obama is he might not have what it takes to do the job at this point. (I wish he had another 8 years of experience)

My position on Clinton is that some times it takes a thief to catch a thief. She's got quite a machine behind her. Maybe that's what would take to ensure the young Cheneys and Roves of today don't grow up to haunt us over the next thirty years. On the other hand I'm pretty sick of the triangulating bullcrap.

Bottom line?

IMHO our best bet is to have a brokered convention and have a Gore endorsed Edwards/Whoever ticket. The Republican party might cease to exist for any practical purpose once that administration was through with it.

But that's me.

What I want to hear out of either of these candidates is that they're really going to go after the fascist wing of the Republican party. Especially Bush & Co.

but be careful doing those backflips trying justify excusing one candidate while villifying another. Now try explaining this away when it comes to lies.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4192358&page=1

Please, do continue to amuse me.

From what I recall, that phrase (on this board) means you just called Obama a lier.

As for #2 he was essentially asked exactly that enough oblique ways that it got answered - to anti-choice supporter's dissatisfaction.

As for your regarding Rezko - judging from your dodging and weaving verbiage you've forfeited your right to demand "absolute truth", but don't worry - now you're sure you're like the rest of us.

Check the topic I posted asking his supporters if they'd ever heard of Emil Jones.

Obama was built into a political star in Illinois, leading up to his run for the US Senate, by the president of the Illinois state senate making sure Obama was given credit for 26 bills other state senators had been working on, in some cases for years. Made for a brilliant record, built on other people's work.

It's called bill-jacking. It's dishonest.

And he's continued to try the same thing in the US Senate. I mentioned a Washingon Post article about a particularly glaring example, where he didn't show up for ANY of the early-morning negotiations that went on for weeks on one proposal, but showed up just for the press conference and announced his part in this and talked about the hardworking senators who'd gotten up early. One of the senators who actually was there sort of shrugged it off by saying this is sort of inevitable with a senator running for president.

But it's still dishonest.

He's a very typical politician. No saint. One of the articles I posted a link for quoted an activist fighting corruption in Chicago politics saying that the people who think he's superman are going to get their hearts broken.

If they don't take the time to learn about what his real background is, I'm not too concerned about the heartbreak. But I am considered when people who act as though he's God trash the Clintons and try to divide the Democratic party.

I'll vote for Obama in November, if he's the nominee, even if he isn't my choice, and I don't think he has enough experience, and I don't think he's who he says he is and who his most fanatical followers think he is. I'll vote for him, just to vote against McCain. And I'll hope that despite the history of taking credit for other people's work, he'll do a good job as president. I have to hope he's wiser than many of his followers who don't care about alienating Hillary Clinton's supporters. You can't win without them. And while some of us are loyal enough Dems anyway to vote for him, the nasty messages about the Clintons, the name-calling, the accusations of racism if anyone doesn't support Obama, and so on, will leave a lot of people thinking they're not sure they want to vote for someone like Obama if many of his supporters are acting like a thuggish mob, and saying they don't need the supporters of the candidate who did nearly as well in a very close primary race.

and if they are, they should think of joining another party.

hillary probably has pushed people out of the party.

glad we agree.

we don't need them in the party. They're better off where they came from - Free Republic.

i also agree.

glad we agree so much.

see, the party is already coming back together starting with you and me.

and its candidates to such extremes. Yeah, maybe you should find another party that supports such vicious and hateful values.

anybody who tries to hurt the democratic party by being divisive and attacking on non-issues to induce fear or hate have no room in this party!

i can already feel the wounds-a-healin'!

oh wait, you support hillary....

nvm.

belongs just as much to me as it does you. Perhaps you should consider joining another party.

The Obama trolls are about to take charge.

Buckle your seatbelt buddy.

I don't support divisive, bigoted, hatemongering people, especially in my own party.

when she supported Hillary's LIE about the Bosnian snipers, even though she was there too. Oh, let me guess....lack of sleep, mis-speaking excuse for her too?

pretty loathsome

Once you start advocating for candidates, you're generally fair game. She's welcome to her privacy, but if she stumps, she could consider herself a target.

The abuse that has been spewed at both the Clintons AND their supporters on here is repulsive.

and that will often spill over onto her more strident supporters, including some of the people here. But to use one of Hillary's favorite slogans, if you can't take the heat...

See, my first inclination in an instance such as this , in real life and the net, is to to tell the person who disrespected me to fuck him or herself... But I decided it's not worth the effort...

I have 32, 000 plus posts...I was citing the reasons I no longer want to post here...

I don't see the point of internet arguments...Winning an internet argument is like winning the Special Olympics...I'd give the punch line but it's politically incorrect...

So many of you are convinced of that. Horrifying.

There is far too much hate being thrown around here. I have done my best to keep my support of Obama civil, but I am sure there are times I have gone too far. However, I can only speak for myself, and I expect the animosity here to continue for awhile. Barring some unforeseen change, I believe the bulk of the attacks from Obama supporters will end a brief time AFTER the week of reprieve given after a nominee is declared here. The attacks will certainly continue up until the declaration, and my money would be on the worst happening the reprieve week as people get in their final shots. After that there will be a period where the attacks from Obama supporters are more tolerated than attacks from Clinton supporters, and the anger will work itself out. Basically, this may be overkill, but it is going to continue for awhile.

to Sen. Clinton and her family causes me to check to make sure I didn't get switched over to the other site. and, right on cue, the obama supporters chime in about how ugly the other side has been to them, and scream hysterically when anybody points out that they are not madly in love with obama.

at least they keep me from needing to read my local fishwrap or risk my computer at that other site, so I guess they serve some purpose.

“Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” a student asked Chelsea Clinton on Monday at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Ms. Clinton replied: “She cast a vote based on the best available evidence. Perhaps you had clairvoyance then, and that’s extraordinary.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/us/politics/16chelsea.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203184594-XhUVT85abQXEqBcuwL/Sjw&oref=slogin

She got snarky. Snarkballs right back at ya, Chelsea...

instead of answering the question. It seems to be her default response.

But, she's just helping her mom when she's putting down voters. :shrug:

Anyways, she chose to stand in the kitchen with her mother, so naturally she's gonna get some heat.

um...yeah, right. she's run a completely positive campaign that never used race and never propped up the republican candidate against another democrat...yeah, that never happened at all, I must have dreamed it.

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She has gone on the campaign trail to lie about Hillary's Iraq War vote, and lied about Bosnia.

She has also taken up the rotating family role of bag man for whichever one is in power. Way back when, Hillary was the bag woman in Arkansas through the Rose Law Firm while Bill was governor. Then when Hill became Senator and likely president, Bill became the bag man for Hillary.

Now through her hedge fund "job," Chelsea is the bag woman for Hillary.

I had a dream the other night that Chelsea complained to Hill and Bill about the unsavory stuff she was doing and Hill and Bill told her, "Godfather II" style, "Chelsea, this is the business we chose; I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business!"

:rofl:

She's fair game for that reason.

Quit whining about how you were treated, suck it up and get behind the nominee.

"Suck it up"

The Clint Eastwood rhetoric would have more resonance if it wasn't coming from someone who, errrr, resembles Pauly Shore...

Pauly Shore? What the hell are you talking about?

Yes, suck it up. Stop whining. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it. Just like all the Edwards and Kucinich and Biden and Dodd and Richardson supporters did when our candidates lost.

Or... just go sit in the corner and let the adults handle this election. After all, it's not like you did that much for your well-funded household-name candidate. Why should we beg you to come over and fuck up the general election?

I don't think this is the appropriate board for you to share your aberrant fantasies but it is Skinner's dime or bandwidth...

Oh, now, walk it off, Pauly...

:rofl:

Not. Even. Close.

Heh.

Walk it off...

Not anywhere near close, but funny.

I am giving you props for trying.

And unless you personally know the poster I respectfully suggest there is no way you could tell if he more resembled Pauly Shore than Clint Eastwood or vice versa...

I would be willing to wager a $100.00 donation to DU that the poster in question more resembles the former than the latter...

From the tenor of his comments I would bet my life on it...

Are you off your meds or something? Seriously.

Did I insult/disrespect you...It's , well, petty...

Your friend insulted me and I responded...

But I am in a dyspeptic mood tonight so we can keep it up as long as you want...


KISSES

DSB

on edit- Maybe I should pull the PC Card like your friend did in #132... "off your meds"...Isn't that a slur on folks with emotional or mental problems...

Ignore the hate when you can.

For you and people out there like you. Why the hell do you care what people on the internet say about Hillary and her family? I mean seriously, why do you let complete strangers get you up in arms in that manner and what make it so bad is that those of you who do try to blame it on Obama as if he is telling people to be assholes on the internets. I just don't understand and then you come here and post whining ass post after post about all the mean things people say about a politician on the freaking internets. I just don't get it. Isn't there a hide thread option or a ignore option? I mean it's not like we are talking about someone offending your race, gender, or religion, I just don't get these post. Are you looking for attention, is that what it is?

that hillary supporters dug a hole and are mad that others are digging down to taunt them?

I have been posting here for five years... I have 32,000 + posts...I have contributed many dollars to DU, hence the star... It's rich that someone who has been here for less than two months is telling me how to act...

and alot of us have been around in some shape or form for a long time ....


so now thats suppose to mean what you say has more validity or value?



glad to see the sense of superiority and entitlement doesnt escape even the avid DUers.

please. whos acting stupid now buddy?

I defended myself...

It is what it is...

I'm through crying when I see this now. So many good DUers are gone now. Now, I get pissed off instead when I see these hateful people stay and good people leave.

They ingnore anyone who supports (or supported, like myself) Hillary.

If so, I'm not nearly as happy as I should be. :party:

Door...ass...etc.

~

A class act to the end. Are you gone yet?

Now walk it off, piano boy...

Most of us know more than 7 or 8.

Also, if you're fling insults, make sure they don't make you look like a complete dumbass. (Hint: you're not there yet).

I'll wait for your response...

It's nice having an internet puppet...

HeeHawHee

Democratic Unity is just around the corner.

Most here are Democrats. At the moment, a lot of candidate haters/trolls/disruptors have found cover during a nasty primary. They will be done away with when it is clear who the Nominee is, and bashing will no longer be allowed for EITHER candidate. It did get out of hand, but again, I hope you hang around. You're a good egg, DSB.

You need to get some perspective.

Take a walk through a local cancer ward for children and then you can get some needed perspective.

The Clintons are multi-millionaires. They are going to do just fine.

They lost a nomination fight.

Get over it.

My mom's an amputee and has stage 3 colon cancer... I have been takling care of her, in my home, on my own dime for the past twelve years...

I just posted the way I felt and I have nothing to get the fuck over...

Just imagine a message board, and the 'over the line' comments back then. No doubt you said some sweet things about Mondale. This time you are backing the Dem establishment, and feel they are owed respect. You were are hot headed rebel once.

~

It was the first time that I saw her really relaxed. She is obviously very intelligent and seems to be a very charming person, the kind of person I would like my daughters to be.

Didn't she remember the event in the same way her mom did ?

It isn't pretty around here. You'd never know Bill was our former Dem popular 2 term president the way they have been slimed on here. You'd never know Hillary was a popular first lady. You'd never know Chelsea was an innocent child when in the White House and the only thing she has done was support her Mom. I can't believe so many of those people around here are actually Democrats. I just wonder what the people of foreign nations think of American Democrats.

Now I'moutahere again but just had to stop in a agree with you.

any other adult, so therefore, she is going to get criticized just like anybody else. She is no longer the "kid", but a full grown responsible adult. She chose to campaign for her mother, some "adult" kids don't go on the campaign trail because they don't want the lime light, she apparently does and therefore, must be able to handle the good with the bad.

speech is fair game? Geez, I won't even go there.

going to forget this any time soon.

race baiting or Hillary's lying her remote off anytime soon, that's right.

:)

You may smack me down for saying this - because, yes, I'm an Obama supporter - and so be it, you're pissed off - but you're one of the few rational Clinton supporters still posting who never swerves into those lanes that make me lose it. You know what I'm talking about. There are some here who have made me want to leave, too, with their bigoted rationalizations - I can't stand it, I see red, and after post #2,340 like that, I go ballistic. But you've never said anything offensive. Strong posts, but I admire your tenacity and loyalty. I hope you change your mind. :)

It's pathetic and unseemly. I am positive that the majority of these folks will be gone not long after the Primary is over. They are here only to argue, pick fights and spread hate.

They are not Democrats, they won't be around for the long haul, and frankly I cannot wait until they vanish back under the rocks they crawled out from under.

Makes me feel great. Not.

My post was directed at those who go out of their way to post nasty shit about Chelsea, just because they hate the Clintons that much. My post was not directed at all or even most, Obama supporters.

Here is the latest example of the type of person I was referring to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5936444

My computer had a brain fart.

How low can you go? I have a daughter her age and I find the crap posted here by the "hope and unity" crowd appalling. An example of an Obama supporter's criticism of Chelsea is posted today in GD-P.