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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:40 PM
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Poll question: It's November. What percentage of HRC voters do you think will NOT vote for Barack Obama?
Edited on Mon May-12-08 03:51 PM by Bicoastal
Six months away, and anything could happen...

EDIT: To be clear, I'm talking about EVERYONE who has voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary thus far, NOT just supporters here on DU.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:44 PM
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1. It's going to be a very small minority, under 10%
Edited on Mon May-12-08 03:44 PM by newmajority
All this media hype is just this really small crowd of professional Hillbots who are playing the "DLC or nothing card", trying in vain to hold on to power.

The real Hillary supporters are smarter than that.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:52 PM
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4. I agree with you. Women, expecially, are going to take a hard look at McCain's
god-awful positions on women's issues, they are going listen to the hope and enthusiasm in their children's voices, and they are going to push the button for Barrack Obama in November, even if they still feel in their hearts that Senator Clinton would have been a better President.
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atufal1c Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:21 PM
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23. Vote for McCain? Not many. But
the real problem is how many may stay home.

We need those damn votes.

That's why I'm pissed that HRC is still in denial. The sooner she drops out, the sooner she can start telling her supporters to support Obama.

We need them to feel GOOD about voting, not sitting around pouting.

(I'm ashamed that I have secretly begun to wonder if HRC really wants a democrat in the White House, if it's not her. But I'm not admitting it to anyone...)

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:50 PM
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2. are we talking about real world people, or DU numbskulls?
numbskulls is a funny word.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:52 PM
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3. Good point--I'm talking about EVERYONE, not just DU'ers...
...and I edited my OP to make that clear.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:54 PM
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6. I think most of the elderly voters who are Clinton supporters will go for McCain if she is not the
nominee--simply for the age and war hero reason (which they relate to WW2).

If McCain rolls out a jazzy series of ads that speak directly to them, he'll do better with that demographic than most think.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:00 PM
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11. That might be true, but I'm so tired of talking identity politics right now
McCain wants more war, Democrats do not. There are so many seriously black and white choices here (no racial puns intended) that I can't believe we're even talking about the age of candidates.

Your post is thought provoking, even if I don't want to think about it.

:toast:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:26 PM
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13. My view is based on and taken from the elderly voters I know.
I drive them to the polls, and do some geezer outreach every now and again. They love to talk politics. They talk, I listen.

I'm just repeating what they say to me. I haven't found a one who thinks Obama is the "other" option should Hillary not win the nomination. And most of these folks were VERY slow to come around to Clinton, but once they did, they became enthusiastic. They went from thinking that a woman "shouldn't" be President, to a woman "could" be President, to "This woman SHOULD be President."

They probably will pull the lever for McCain if it comes down to an Obama-McCain contest, absent a compelling VP. They just don't like Obama, be it for reasons of race, age, experience, the "rumor mill," or his supporters (some of whom are pretty rude to the elderly).

I know people here don't want to hear that, but it's how they spell it out to me. And the Jewish elders I know don't need to be sold too hard on McCain because Holy Joe likes him. I'm guessing they won't have a butterfly ballot in Florida this time around....

Eh, we'll see. There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip...!

:hi:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:35 PM
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14. Oh, I know what you mean.
All of those scenarios are plausible. It's just not really a conversation that I'm interested in anymore, or at least not today. There's been a feast of identity politics in GDP for the last 4 months and I've eaten my fill.

I'm thinking about starting a thread about how the primary season can be changed to more accurately reflect the GE. Maybe tomorrow when I'm not suffering from Brain Dead Monday.
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abbiehoff Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:40 PM
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18. That's interesting
My mother, who is 84, has always been a republican. She said to me yesterday that she thinks there's no point to McCain even having his name on the ballot, as she thinks NO ONE will vote for him. Also, she can't stand Hillary since before Bill ever ran for president.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:21 PM
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22. Well, your mom isn't one of the hundred plus that I interact with, apparently.
She's in the right age range, though--and I don't know a one who's on her wavelength.

But then, my experience is just that--my experience. Anecdotal.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:53 PM
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5. Here's how you find out
Put up a post saying Obama is unelectable because hard-working white Americans will never vote for an elitist, non-flag-wearing, radical-christian-minister-following muslim terrorist.

Count how many recs it gets.

Divide that number by the total number of votes Hillary got in the primaries.

That's your percentage.


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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:55 PM
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7. That was a pretty effing funny post.
DUzy anyone?

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:56 PM
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8. Most of her Republican supporters will. The semi-Republicans (DLC) might.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:59 PM
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9. just under 20%
But most of those would not vote for the Dem candidate in the GE anyway. But with record participation by AAs & young voters, and strong support from liberal independants and moderate republicans, I think Obama will do fine. Plus, it's looking like Bob Barr (Libertarian) may be siphoning off a fair amount of the conservative votes, probably more than Nader will from the liberal side.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:59 PM
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10. The same percentage that Bob Barr will steal from McCain.....making it a wash....
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:04 PM
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12. 1-5%
Most of them Repukes gaming the system who weren't planning to vote Dem anyway.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:37 PM
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15. All of the ones that are Pro-Life NeoCons.
They will be voting for McCan't!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:20 PM
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21. Anti-choice.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:38 PM
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16. Only the pretend democratic ones
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:39 PM
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17. Are we including Operation Chaos supporters? They are HRC voters, right?
Because of that, I'd say over 10%.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:43 PM
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19. 1 out of 10.
90% of her "base" will work.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:53 PM
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20. Only an idiot would not vote for Obama.
There are only two choices: Obama or McCain. To choose McCain is absurd.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:39 PM
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24. 5%-10% = the Republicans who voted for her in the primaries
A chunk of her voters in most states were Republicans who wanted to subvert the process, and who never intended to vote for her. Add a handful of real racists, and there might be 10% of her voters who vote for McCain.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:07 PM
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25. Nighttime bump.
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