Is it possible racism WILL keep Obama out of the White House?

As an Obama supporter, I do have to admit that sometimes I wonder if I am overestimating how far our country has come in addressing racism (and sexism).

Does Hillary Clinton have a point that although Obama is great, his more idealistic and "hopeful" supporters just might be overestimating the amount of progress on race relations in the nation? I certainly hope that this isn't the case, but I do have to admit I am beginning to wonder...

What do you guys (and gals) think?

P.S.

Remember we are a nation that was dumb enough to RE-ELECT G.W.B. even after we knew he lied to us about Iraq.

seriously!

Do you think America has come far enough in race relations to elect an African-American as President yet?

And when will a woman not come to the election without "unfavorables?"

camapaigning has really damaged her, perhaps it harms female candidates more than it harms male candidates.

Most of all she is where she is right now because of hubris. Like Rummy no planning for Plan B.

One thing is for sure, it's not Obama's fault she screwed up.

Snipergate more than anything probably doomed her,

But when it comes down to it I believe a substantial percentage of the electorate have the impression that she is an annoying nag that nobody wants to listen to.

When it all comes down to it, its all about misogyny.

keep thinking Clinton shares no responsibility for her predicament

I believe she is held to a higher standard, because she is a woman. I believe the mistakes she made were no worse than the ones Obama made, but hers were magnified and distorted and highlighted 24/7 while he was forgiven or minimized.

I believe when you call a Presidential candidate an "annoying nag," you give yourself away.

I accept that which I cannot change.

And by the way, you mention Obama's seemingly teflon qualities? That is a good thing to have in a candidate.

Snipergate was the one that took the cake. People will not vote for someone who is dishonest. Especially after seeing the video.

and an "Experienced Candidate" making blunderous, juvenile at times, blowing in the wind mistakes.

Her Campaign stalled on the "First Super Tuesday", and has never recovered. They did not have a plan to be competitive and they have been playng by the seat of their pants.

That is not the kind of experienced candidate I would expect to make these kind of of novice mistakes. If these mistakes are being made now...what the hell are they going to do against McCain?

Yes there is misogyny in America and on DU but imo that is not why she's losing. I would love to have a great female candidate but IMO she is just a bad version of her former self now. I don't want a person in office that is so much like George Bush that we can barely tell them apart.


She campaigns like he did only this time around Americans are seeing through it. It really is time for a change, really.

In a year were the issues strongly favour the democrats and the republicans are extremely unpopular ...why else couldn't a young charismatic candidate win?

.....Racist..

but about 15 to 20% will never vote for a black person because
of skin color ... forget about them ... they would not vote for
a democrat anyway

with the Barack HUSSEIN Obama signs?


The idea that republicans are the only racists is very, very wrong.

necessarily racist and opposed to obama. i believe the majority of hillary's supporters will vote for obama in november. the ones that won't (the HUSSEINers) are already republicans and part of the same sniveling driveling drooling percentage who still think bush is a-okay.

it is buying into racebait and pander-galore to suggest that obama won't win because he is black.

A lot of the country is still against interracial marriage.

"Does Hillary Clinton have a point "

No. Saying racism is an issue is fine.

Arguing that as a reason not to support Obama is racist.

(Bowing solemnly)

All of you concern trolls, take note. Bornaginhooligan will not be smooth-talked. :applause:

over concerns about melanin.....cause that's all that we are talking about.

The issues are too large.
The War and the Economy and the future of this country do not add up favorably for a McCain win.

But thank you for sharing your Concern.

than there are of them. Thankfully.
But we still need to overwhelm them
and thoroughly defeat them.

And abhor racism. I also am a realistic person and know there are a lot of racist people out there, whether I like it or not.

And yes, we should all be concerned and ready to battle the very worst of humanity.

Shomino, I don't know you from a can of beans and I have NO idea what is up with the posts from those on here hinting non-too-subtly about "trolls" and "concern." If you are a troll, I'm sure you'll be dealt with accordingly and it ain't my job or any of the others "concerned about your concern" to deal with it. Just do your thing and let them do theirs, whatever it is they're doing.

Having said that, someone mentioned earlier that Obama's race could possibly deny him the nomination and I agree with that. Being black in America and having lived and worked in lots of places in the world, I have learned to NEVER underestimate the power of racism. I would like to believe as much as anyone that it won't be a factor for Obama, but our history has often proved otherwise. It may be hard to keep the faith but what choice do we have?

I appreciate it. I know it's a sensitive subject but I'm honestly not attempting to "troll", it's just that I am constantly surprised at how many people I meet who are deeply racist. I know it's hard to understand but as Obama said, it's a reality that at some point must be discussed openly in the U.S.. I'm also constantly surprised at how many people I meet who still support George W. Bush to some extent, which has begun to make me question my faith in humanity. ;)

and I am so happy to see more young people joining the party! They are the ones who will be working in policy-setting positions in a few years.

That's pretty funny. Plenty of young racists, I can assure you.

As I see it, there is the majority and there is the minority. I believe that racists are the minority in this country, and getting smaller everyday.

Many are stuck in West Virginia, in fact!

McCain has no base; the conservatives hate him.

Barr is running for President. That's who the gun owners will vote for.

The former Purple Bandaid wearing idiots shown here at a Hillary WV rally are instinct like a dinosaurs.

I'm saying that a very large proportion of "white" people in the United States hold a substantial amount of prejudice against people that are not perceived by them as "white" and such prejudice is very likely going to influence their thoughts, decisions, and actions in their daily lives(including in voting). Although I do believe that the younger people are far less fixed in their racial views than their parents, it certainly is out there and not in small numbers.

won't accept a woman being commander in chief.

All we need is 40% of the White Folks to win. Clinton won with 38% of the White folks vote.

Get it?

Poll: 76 percent say U.S. ready for black president
The poll also indicates that more whites than blacks think the country is ready for a black president. Of the white Americans surveyed, 78 percent said the country is ready, as opposed to 69 percent of African-Americans polled. Both numbers are up substantially from December 2006.

The poll also suggested that more Americans think the country is ready for a black president than a female president. Sixty-three percent of those surveyed say the country is ready for a female president, 13 points lower than those who say the country is ready for a black president.

"Do Americans see more prejudice against a woman than an African-American? More likely, they see more negative feelings about this woman than about this African-American. Because it's true. More people have an unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton than of Barack Obama," Schneider said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/poll.black.president/index.html

Just askin'? :shrug:

FACTORS – Age continues to look like a major hurdle for McCain. Thirty-nine percent of Americans say they'd be uncomfortable with a president first taking office at age 72, far more than say they'd be uncomfortable with a woman (16 percent) or African-American (12 percent) as president.

ALSO:
Democrats by a 12-point margin would rather see Obama as the nominee, a lead that's held steadily in ABC News/Washington Post polls since early March. Instead it reflects a rejection of the notion that the drawn-out contest will hurt the party's prospects. Seventy-one percent think it'll either make no difference in November (56 percent) or actually help the party (15 percent).
-snip-
OBAMA and NOVEMBER – For his part, Obama, who surpassed Clinton on electability last month, now has knocked down another of her campaign's tent posts, for the first time slipping ahead of her as the "stronger leader."

This poll — like the last ABC News/Washington Post survey — finds no apparent damage to Obama in the controversy over his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Six in 10 Americans, and 73 percent of Democrats, say Obama has done "the right amount" to distance himself from Wright, rather than too little or too much.

In another measure, 26 percent say the more they hear about Obama the more they like him – more than say that about Clinton (15 percent) or McCain (14 percent). Obama's the only one among them to have gained as much as he's lost in the recent public glare.

Obama leads McCain on trust to handle the economy by 10 points!
Obama leads McCain on trust to handle gas prices by 20 points!
Obama leads McCain on trust to handle health care by 24 points!

AND "On personal attributes Obama leads by wide margins as being better able to bring needed change, having the better temperament for the job, better empathy and a clearer vision for the future. "

"Also, in head-to-head matchups against Obama, McCain scores very well in experience, knowledge of world affairs and trust to handle terrorism; he's roughly even with Obama on leadership, ethics and trust to handle the war in Iraq, and he's closed the gap on immigration. "
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/Story?id=4837828&page=1

at this point, I'm not real particular about their outfit. I look back on the last two elections and work hard at containing my anger at the Democratic party leaders. There is no excuse whatsoever, after the Clinton years, that any Republican should have gotten back into that office for decades! And the only reason I continue to vote Democratic is because the alternatives seem so much worse. How pathetic...to always be choosing the lesser of the evils.

If you haven't figured out the difference between the two parties by now, then you need to do a little studying.

There's a reason why Joe Lieberman ain't a Democrat. We don't want him...or his apologists. Or his comparative analysts. And as somebody who grew up with Ralph Nader's activism, and appreciated him for what he was, I reject his modern-day spoiler incarnation. He had his chance to get into the debate, but rather than shout his barbaric yawp over the rooftops of the world, he chooses instead to wait until the eleventh hour, then try to ride in like some untested white knight.

So, if you have a viable option, let me know. I'm listening.

do seem to be racists in most groups. But I feel confident that there was a smaller percentag of racists in my genertion, compared to my mother's generation, and a smaller percentage of racists in my daughter's generation than there are in my generation.

Do you have a different observation?

lessened generationally - and as we have a more diverse population I assume that will continue. Have a racially diverse family myself, I welcome that. But... I see the gangs, the inner city schools, the hate crimes, the violence against immigrants and know that there is a lot of hate out there. Hate usually gets directed against those who are perceived as different from self... skin color is only one way to choose targets. Don't just be thinking black vs white.... think of all the skin colors and who hates who... and for what mindless reasons they give for the hating.

Whatever happens it will not be possible to explain the outcome as the result of a single cause.

Because America has changed greatly during the bush administration. The so called blue collar white vote is valid, but shrinking. There are more people of color here now than ever. Obama has prarie fire. He will be our next president. Race is a lesser issue than ever in the US. We have Hispanics, Asians, African Americans, and more and more. Hillary's ploy that only she can get the white vote is ridiculous. This 57 year old white man is voting for Obama, and so are many of my demographic, especially after they talk to me. I work construction, and, I admit, many of them are bone-headed, but I'm straightening them out.

And I think Americans are smart enough to be able to see past (or not see at all) someone's race, and see instead his/her qualifications.

My hope is that anyone who is too racist to vote for someone who is half black will vote for the white half. :-)

I'm hoping the scared European-Americans will vote for their half of Obama. But I do sometimes think that GOP operatives have planned sincere discussions and cable TV panels about race still being an issue in America that they'll roll out if the vote is close enough to be stolen again in 2008. It worked easily enough when it was 51 Kerry to 48 Bush in 2004. They rolled out the God, Guns & Gays discussions for TV pundits and press to explain the many anomalies between exit polls and the vote count nationwide. They used a variety of methods, so any one technique, when caught "won't affect the total outcome, anyway, so there's no need to investigate." Distribute broken voting machines to Democratic areas to make lines too long. Misdirect voter registrations. Drop people from the voting rolls. Leave provisional ballots uncounted. Make robocalls to send people to the wrong places. Flip a few close votes-- 3% either way won't attract too much attention. (And that's why I still resent Senator Kerry for conceding so very quickly, before all the votes were counted and recounted. Even in that precarious environment, with reports of anomalies coming in from across the country, he didn't bear with possibly being considered "a sore loser" for 48 hours. Seemed like his image was far more important than our votes.)

could be easily stolen by the same means as the last two.

How does "racism" become relevant?

There are still a LOT of ignorant people in the world, and judging by the dumbfuck youngsters I see in Los Angeles, bigotry and racism is at an all time high, so I wouldn't count on the younger generation to pull our asses out of the fire either.

Personally, I'll be happy when we've melded all together and we are all "unknown eths".

McPain will try to find some other way besides race to demonize Sen. Obama. Racist whites looking for an excuse will try to use whatever he comes up with as their rationale for voting against him.

You know how it goes, you are not supposed to discriminate based on skin color when you hire or find a tenant for your rental property, but you find some 'other' reason to find the person of color 'unqualified'.

No, but his stupidity will. Permitting (encouraging?) his apparatchiks to vilify traditional allies was not a good move.

:wtf:

If he loses, the question will remain open.

I'm not saying like we're all extremely racist, but there is a sliding scale of racism. One can be slightly racist or extremely racist. One can be even subconsciously racist and consciously fight their own tendencies. Is anyone truly, completely free of racism in all its forms? Even if the racism is simply pre-judging people on minor stereotypes, or positive ones?

or if you're being disingenuous.

but, no, we are not all racist.

Would you agree that there is some difference between a KKK member and someone who might pre-judge an african-american on an issue, then change their minds when stereotypes are proven wrong? That although they are both "racist", one is much more racist than the other?

Very few though. To some degree, to me anyway, we all have an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. 'US' could be our country, our race, our state, our religion, our ethnicity, our age, etc... I call it tribalism and it exists to some extent everywhere.

But there are so many 'us' versus 'them' catagories, who is to say that race would play the determining factor or be the most important factor.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have judgemental thoughts all the time, about all types of things. I am aware of my thoughts though, and keep them in check. I call it being a human being.

And please try not to use the "Royal We" in your response. It's awfully presumptuous.

Is that better? If I say "everyone", obviously that includes me. Obviously, some of us would presume to be perfect which is beyond "presumptuous".

have at some time in our lives entertained prejudicial thoughts or stereotypes about many different cultures, but that alone does not make someone racist. Some of the stereotypes are positive, but might be offensive to some people.

"Black people are better athletes."
"White people can't dance." :P
"Jewish people are good with money." etc.

Maybe "some of us," in the royal sense, might presume perfection. I certainly don't.

A couple of years ago I ended up doing an indepth survey of young marines at Camp Pendleton. The greatest shock of the survey was that young marines from southern states had none of the racial prejudices of the older generation.

I was quite surprised by the number of interracial marriages from the south - particularly of white males and African American females.

Hillary Hatred is more potent than racism at this point.

This will be a much closer election than it should be, given the circumstances of our country after nearly 8 years of Rethuggery.

lies, smears, venom, and pandering. End of story.

I tried to point out a couple of months ago that we need not count our chickens before they hatch because this country has NOT progressed very much on either the issues of racism OR sexism. And, no, it's not just Hillary supporters in southern states. Sexism and racism are alive and well everywhere. To overestimate Obama's chances of winning, or even Hillary's chances (back when I made the OP), was a foolish thing to do. I was lambasted as a racist for pointing out the facts. Hell, I wasn't supporting the facts as a good thing, but still, I was labeled racist for bringing it up. That was about two months ago, I think. No one was listening. I might as well have been the KKK.

The short answer to your question is yes, but I must admit I am sick and tired of all of that blame being laid on Hillary supporters in the south and midwest. And I'm tired of being called a racist just because of where I live.

That is all I will really add to this thread, because I really hate to stay where I am not welcomed. I really do feel like such a fool for believing for four years on this site that I was welcomed despite where I was born, raised, and now live. Those degrees I have mean nothing. I might as well burn them, because I will always be seen as nothing more than a racist, retarded, Republican by the Democratic Party and by any place in the country where I could actually use those degrees to get a job. I sure can't use them here where our major employer is Wal Mart.

Hey, there is a bright side. I no longer have to brush my teeth (my gag reflex is pretty touchy anyhow).

If I am truly to live up to everyone on DU's expectations, I have far too many teeth as of right now. After all, I only need four teeth. Right?

racists in this country..especially on the television screen. That whole Reverend Wright thing scared the shit out of me. Reminded me of a pack of wild dogs, foaming at the mouth with teeth bared, ready to go for the throat. The most disgusting display I have ever seen. Julius Streicher would be so proud. The interesting thing to me, was that through out this campaign, race has been hammered home by a variety of pundits and players, but Obama keeps on winning. If he keeps doing what he's done, he'll keep getting what he's gotten...votes!

How pathetic America would be. Our entire concept of liberty as conceived by Jefferson, Adams, Franklin will be nothing more than a joke. Whitewashing away 232 years of history in one election.

Rp

and HRC is certainly not the first person to mention it.

There are plenty of reasons not to support Obama that have nothing to do with race.

Since we know, though, that racism is real and present in the U.S., it's obvious to acknowledge that it might play a part in how people vote.

If Obama is the nominee, and loses the GE, I'm sure race will be one of the factors.

Not the only factor. Maybe not the biggest factor. But race will play a part.

Edited to add: I'd say exactly the same thing about sexism, if the question were about HRC.

Remember, there are just as many religious people who take seriously the Biblical rule prohibiting women from having positions of authority over men as there are racists who would be offended by a black president.

The only proven safe bet is old white guys, so you have a choice. You can have old white "safe bets" for the rest of eternity, or you can take a chance at something different. Taking a chance ALWAYS means there's a chance that you might lose.

I'm only counting major parties here. If you count minor parties, there have been dozens of female candidates, and over a dozen black candidates (including a couple of black, female candidates). In every election, the old white guys beat them.

Unless you're willing to draft Gore or Edwards, the party is committed to taking that risk this election.

of people that don't want to vote for him because of his race but haven't found the proper out to vote against him in their minds. For example linking him to "terrorism" gives their bigotry legitimacy in their minds.

is that what YOU are doing?

There is certainly plenty of sexism and racism which could certainly swing a close election. However, ageism may play against McCain.

We always hear how so many people won't vote for Obama because he is black, but isn't there also a large number of people who wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. On one hand, we are supposed to be sympathetic to Hillary because of the rampant misogyny throughout the country, yet we are also supposed to believe that it wouldn't negatively impact her alleged electibility. Why is that the case?

I hope that doesn't happen with all my heart but I hoped that in the last two elections. In fact, I went into a kind of dead zone with Reagan. I see it as fairly simple - yes, primarily sexism and racism eliminates our candidates... but also the entire "liberals are demons" cant works for the Republicans to a large degree.

We're here to get a Democrat elected. Period. And the polls show it can (and likely will) happen. If you're so certain of defeat and find both of their prospects so self-deflating, you can always take up another hobby.

Actually, constitutionally blacks were given the right to vote before women. Jim Crow laws were used to suppress the black vote in the south up until 1960 but the constitutional amendment affording blacks the right to vote was in 1870, as opposed to 1920 for women.

So according to the history of the matter, if it DOES repeat itself, it IS probably more likely that a black man will be elected president before a woman of any race.

Sexism IS probably more prevalent than even racism. I don't disagree with that assertion.

That doesn't mean that I am for Obama because I am sexist. I also have very high regard for Hillary Clinton (comparatively, as politicians go). ;)

Thanks for turning on the lights.

but you can keep spankin it to whatever fantasy turns you on.

...and unleash a raging torrent of concern trolls into GD-P, from parts unknown?

Absolutely.
:eyes:

of pompous self-important arrogant pricks who question open honesty?

Looks like it.

If you want to question my position, fine. Address the question, not the questioner. If you consider concern about the more negative elements of American society "trolling" then it's pretty hard to have an honest discussion, isn't it?

...who's been around the block a time or two, I find it suspect that someone who purports to support Barack Obama unequivocally as you do would use a top-post in GD-P to question why we might be wasting our time supporting a candidate that others will vote against out of concern for his race.

Secondly, no respected member of DU that I know of would ever posit that George W. Bush was EVER elected, let alone re-elected.

I think Obama has shown with question that he can draw independents and even moderate Republicans. If Hillary weren't doing McCain's homework out of her MacBeth-ian, egomaniacal sense of entitlement for the nomination, you and I wouldn't even have met yet.

Now, there's your honest discussion. If you think my concerns are out of some ad hominem, knee-jerk reflex, then I suggest you read around a little bit, then grow some thicker skin.

Secondly, I sure as hell never voted for or elected G.W.B.. Nonetheless he has the position, so whether his election was legitimate or not, he was still elected. Twice. Can you see how this fact alone might drive one to question one's faith in humanity?



It was you, not I who was questioning anyone's "concerns" as being legitimate. If you truly believe that racism is no longer an issue of concern in this country perhaps you should ask Obama whether he agrees. Didn't you catch his speech after the 1st Rev. Wright incident? Obama seems to be much more willing to address the topic of race in the country than you are. Perhaps you should check your own "skin thickness".



The last thing we need to be doing is blaming everything on Hillary and demonizing her as the root of the problem. You should know better that the problems that we are facing, as a nation and a party, run much deeper than Hillary Clinton. I really don't like Hillary Clinton but I'm not entirely comfortable with using her as a scapegoat for all of these issues. Whether she is pandering to racists or not, she is not the one responsible for their racism. The roots of the weeds of racism run a lot deeper than just the Clintons.

Also:

If racism DOES keep Obama out of the White House it will be one of the worst things possible I can imagine to happen to the country. Unfortunately it's not hard to imagine bad things happening to the country, politically, nowadays. Consider the current administration.

Enough in fact, that even the residues of racism are likely to be cast aside in the face of widespread crises on every front. If you follow the news coming out of the repugs, you'll know that they're having a quiet but major meltdown behind the scenes at the moment. And for a party that has exploited racism and fear like no other, even they understand the dire straights they're in well enough to prefer the 'black' candidate to the female one. That tells me all I need to know.

Channeling your concern into donating, phone-banking would be a productive use of the energy, if you haven't already.

Does this mean you'll be going to Denver? Kudos to you standing up for the cause!!

There's nothing "racist" about stating that other white people's bigotry will keep them from voting for Obama.

But that's what the dishonest Obama camp is trying to claim.

If I said other white people are bigoted, and won't vote for Obama because he's black, would that make me a racist?

Besides, Obama's is winning far more black votes because he's black, than the white votes he's losing because he's black.

You Obama crybabies need to get a grip, and stop trying to lie your way into an Obama nomination.

it is the playing to it, the fanning of it, that sucks. If she and Bill were such great civil rights activists before, why in the HELL are they using some of those same racist dirty tricks? She could've won this thing running a clean campaign, but she chose the low road.

Some like to pretend that it is just Obama supporters calling it out being crybabies as you so eloquently state, and when it gets called out, Obama's campaign is accused of "playing the race card." That in and of itself is crap. When someone hits you, and you say hey, why did you hit me, the guilty party doesn't get to say "oh you're playing the abuse card" just because they were called on their garbage. MANY people including some of her OWN supporters have noticed the words and the tactics being used, your own bias for your candidate is obviously making you oblivious to it, which is a shame. People like you who try to justify racism, and defend it because YOU might not be personally offended and can't understand why someone else is, are part of the racist problem. YOU might not be a racist, but defending racist behavior is equally abhorrent. I don't care what color you are, but that "playing the race card" shit is getting really old. You do not have a right to tell a group of indivduals what should and should not offend them, just because the words happened to be uttered by Hillary R. Clinton, wife of the first Black President. That's what makes it especially despicable, because he was always seen as a champion of the AA community and for him to sink to this for political purposes have hurt a LOT of people. LIVE with it!

that Bill Clinton got.

and still know what is good for the country, and to go on that (Obama)?

floating around.... is, IN FACT, encouraging racist rumors, promoting the indecision people had about Obama's ethnicity and his religion, and helping promote those things existing as an object of fear.

You can argue whether that was her intention, but she did it.

you fucking moron.

be so incredibly widespread. While Muslim is not a race, the current fear-mongering use of it is inexplicably tied to darker skinned people.

Racism is often intertwined with a variety of other values or concepts, and it is only some of the time that you will see racism in its pure form, in an outlet that only focuses on the person being a certain race or skin color.

By encouraging the Muslim rumor, Hillary helped promote the religious-based aspect of prejudice against darker skinned people. If you encourage any part of the bundle of prejudices linked with, that feed, racism, you are promoting racism.


These rumors about Obama being Muslim religion-based rumors, and they are also race-based rumors. Those e-mails wouldn't be so viral on the internet if there wasn't a racial aspect to it.


I hope you enjoyed your lesson today in racism 101.

Fucking moron.

Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton there wouldn't have been Muslim rumors. You can explain that Hussein is an honorable name until the cows come home but you are talking about people who believe to this day that Saddam Hussein and Iraqis were involved in 9/11. If Obama was white with the same name even more people would be convinced he was a Muslim.

We'll have to agree to disagree that Hillary encouraged the Muslim rumor.

I don't think we have to worry about it. Democrats have come out nearly five to one in these primaries. Even if we lose 20% to ignorant racists we're still four to one. People are sick of the Republicans, totally sick, and will not be voting that way this time.

But does that mean we should crawl into a hole and die???

No, we will fight, persuade, and inspire and Obama will win the WH just like he thwarted a popular fmr president and former firsty lady in the primary.

It won't be easy but politics isn't about making calculated and easy choices.

to win the white house.

The Republicans hate him and now there's a Libertarian splitting the vote.

lol

with him. if you think hes a good candidate youre free to vote for him.

for equal rights and womens rights, it is troublesome that the racial undertones are coming from them. It gives a new view to their "Win at All Costs" mind set.

No I think the current * administration is so horrible that America has no choice but to vote for a Democratic nominee and if that nominiee happens to be black/white then that's who it will be.

But that will be our downfall as Democrats if we simply accept that and don't fight as hard as we can for this election.

As Sun-Tzu said in "The Art of War":

"He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them." Sun Tzu (Page 41)

"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." Sun Tzu (Page 18)

In other words, never underestimate your opponent.

in terms of registering voters, encouraging support etc. Its wasted energy IMO to give energy to things you will have no control over.

be a major turning point for our country - long,long overdue !

keep him out of the white house.

You DO see how this works, right?

He's a great candidate that has run a fantastic campaign.

I said it...Is that racist, OR Fact!!!!???

Lot's of things are possible. The die is cast, Obama is our nominee, if more of us vote for him than grandpa he will win. pretty simple.

Polling says that the majority of white voters would not mind voting for a black man, all other things being equal. Granted, people's surpressed bigotry could come out in the voting booth but there's no way to see if that will happen other than actually testing it. Eventually, presuming we want to nominate someone other than a rich white guy, we're going to have to take our chances. Barring some catastrophe, Obama is the nominee. As Caesar Julius said, the die is cast.

Incidently, there's strong statistical evidence to suggest the 2004 election was also stolen.


(Note to Americans: "Suck it and see" refers to an old-time lollipop made in Britain which had a random flavour. Get your minds out of the gutter).

In fact, less perhaps:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/mccains-age-again-seen-as_n_101442.html">McCain's Age Again Seen As Major Problem For Voters

People have told us they will not vote for Obama because he is black.

edit:
They prefer Hillary because she is white. They have always voted Democrat. This election, I assume they won't be voting.

So can we get on with it?

Barring the capture of Osama Bin Laden, some miraculous change in Iraq, or some ghastly as-yet-unheard Obama scandal, good ol' fashioned racism is going to be the weapon of choice for the Right. Expect a tidal wave of well-financed 527s assaulting Obama everyday with a barrage of imagery and allusions to incite racial fear of Obama among the public.

As much as a contest between Obama and McCainm, this will be an INNER contest between people's best interests and their deep-seated fears.

were newscasters or school principals.

Their faces, which reflect the mosaic of the country, are all over the place now.

History is shuffling the cards this cycle. I think the Republicans are about to lose their shirts and I think Barack Obama is 44.

Clinton in the primaries and then Obama in the general. One will be labeled as racism while the other will been passed of as character flaws.

As in, 'you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama.'

The Clintons don't realize how much they are disenfranchising the AA Community. They will NOT forget. I'm with the AA Community since the Clintons have SHAMELESSLY played the "race card" at every opportunity. :thumbsdown: