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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:37 PM
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Hillary Supporters Only Please: Do any of you REALLY think Hillary will be the Nominee?
Serious question. Do any of you really think Hillary will win the Nomination or are you just hoping she will? Thanks for your answer.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:39 PM
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1. Of course I HOPE so, and I suppose there is an outside chance
but in reality, it's my opinion she's hoping, if she's not the nominee, to at least be offered the VP slot. If she goes into WV and Kentucky and gets the kind of landslide she's talking about, she'll make it clear what she can bring to the table.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:42 PM
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4. That's debatable, really.
It would depend not only on her gaining a large majority of Democrats over Obama, but a large amount of the general populace as well. The real chances of either WV or KY turning blue in november is very small, however, if she can prove that she has some ability to turn these and other states then she might stand a chance of getting the VP nod. We should get that answer in about 24 hours. :)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:55 PM
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7. West Virginia HAS gone blue.
Kentucky, eh. Don't think they will. OTOH, neither will Idaho or Wyoming.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:03 PM
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10. Yet Wyoming has a Democratic governor.
I agree it's very unlikely that either would turn but I'd put WV in the same category. They used to vote Democratic for president but that changed when the south went solidly red. Since then there has been little to change the make up of the state that would suggest another switch. The same goes for KY. Idaho will change the same day Utah does. LOL

However, I will say that if Hillary can bring in enough people to the polls, and not just enough to claim a large victory over Obama, she may just be able to make some headway on the VP suggestion. There just has to be proof that she can not only win the Dems in the state but the majority of all the residents.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:02 PM
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8. Just out of curiouisity, why would you want her to get the VP spot? The VP has no power, except
in cases of a tie in the Senate.

And the chances of that are slim. She would have less power than as a US Senator.

What do you think Edwards should be offered for his 19 delegates? I think at least the Ambassadorship to Saudi Arabia.

And Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, and Gravel probably all deserve something as also rans as well. After all, they all had supporters, and if they aren't offered a piece of the power pie, who knows if their supporters will show up in November.

I think the Dems have really got this "pay to play" thing down. Move over, Republicans! Start passing around the pork!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:05 PM
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11. Because it would be a very powerful symbol to a lot of women
It meant a lot to women when Geraldine Ferraro ran for VP. I'm not trying to invite comments on what you think Ferraro said or meant this cycle. I'm simply stating that when she was chosen as the VP candidate, it seemed as if we'd taken a step.

It would also send quite a message if the top two jobs in the land were not held by white men. I would say the same if Hillary somehow gets the nod. She should choose Obama.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:24 PM
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13. Would you be content with Obama taking a female V.P.?
After all, Kathleen Sebelius is considered to be one of the leading candidates. 2 senators on the same ticket brings in executive experience questions anyway.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:23 PM
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19. No, because I don't like her
She bungled the response to the SOTU.

And I actually think that is a very condescending compromise.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:27 PM
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21. No!!!!!
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:28 PM by Beacool
Women are NOT interchangeable!!!!!

I would actually find it offensive to try to shove Sebelius down our throats as a substitute for Hillary to try to appease her supporters.

No way, how insulting!!!!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:39 PM
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17. I prefer real power to symbolism. You are telling me that Clinton is a liar, or that she plain
doesn't have the judgment to be President.

Sen Clinton has made clear repeatedly that Obama isn't qualified to be the president of the United States. Yet you would counsel her to put an unqualified person a heart beat away from the office?

There could be no other conclusion in such a case. Either she's a liar who will say anything to get elected. or she doesn't care at all about the security of the US and would put an unqualified person into office. Either way, McCain would win.

in Obama's case, he has run on change and on a new direction for the country. I don't believe he can now run on the exact opposite in the general. That would be a complete rookie move. It would result in losing in the general.

Oh yeah, the symbolism would be great, a black man and a white woman, but like I said, I prefer power to symbolism.

Give me the ratification of the 19th amendment any day over Ferraro running on the ticket and losing.

Give me Pelosi being sworn in as speaker of the House any day over Clinton running for VP and dragging the ticket down with mixed messages losing.

Power is always more powerful.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:29 PM
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22. Yeah, Pelosi.......
because she's doing such a great job.

Whatever......
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:33 PM
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24. A very poweful symbol to white women?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:40 PM
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2. I had hoped so...but people won't give her a chance. 50 states in 2008
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:43 PM
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5. Wow
Are you the DUer who was posting long ago that HRC is the only chance we have at a 50 state sweep?

I remember that constant post, but couldn't pin down who said it. Was that you? It could have been someone else, but I seem to recall it coming constantly from one DUer.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:41 PM
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3. I HOPE that things CHANGE in the FUTURE and that people will give a second look...
Or at the very least, stop the hate.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:49 PM
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6. Of course, I'm hoping that Hillary will be the nominee, though I realize that
Obama looks to be the most likely choice at this time.

However, I am puzzled as to why the SDs have not come out and pledged to him en masse and made him the official, not presumptive, nominee. I know he keeps gaining in the SD count, but if it as cut and dried as most people on this board seem to think, why are so many waiting to declare? If this goes all the way to the convention, I believe Hillary will have as much chance as Obama.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:03 PM
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9. Hillary has a loyal and devoted following. All the SDs coming out before all the votes have been
cast in the primaries would ensure even more hard-feelings against Obama.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:24 PM
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12. Yes and you can take it to the next November
She will unite the delegate and save us from McCain.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:25 PM
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14. put down the crack pipe.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:26 PM
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15. What a stupid question.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:40 PM
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18. There's no such thing as stupid questions.
Just stupid answers... :eyes:
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:38 PM
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16. Yes, absolutely
She'll probably win the total popular vote in the primary, which will give her an excellent claim to the nomination.

She's polling a combined 60%-40% in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Oregon. And that's not including undecideds. If they break for Hilary, it would be a lot higher than 60%.

And Puerto Rico is likely to be a Clinton win as well.

Combine all of this with the fact that she will definitely win the majority of registered Democratic voters in the primary, and that current totals exclude Florida and Michigan which she won (or would have won), her case for getting the nomination becomes even stronger.

Add to this that current polls show her beating McCain in both Florida and Ohio, while Obama loses to McCain in both states.

Below is a composite copy of polls from Kentucky, West Virginia, and Oregon, with a summary of polls at the bottom.





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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:26 PM
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20. Possible. Fortunes can soar or crash in a day in politics.
I am with her as long as she is in it.

And will be the next time too.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:35 PM
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25. Yeah, I'm with her too.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:32 PM
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23. I'll fight for Hillary until the end.
I will then concentrate on my local and state candidates. The GE will have absolutely no interest to me. The only exception would be if Hillary was the VP nominee. If not, couldn't care less about the GE.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:36 PM
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26. yes, i hope, and yes, i think it is still possible.
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