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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:53 PM Original message |
Jim Webb is the best VP candidate? So no problems with his anti-women writings? |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think he'd be a disastrous VP choice |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Needs to be either Richardson, Strickland, Rendell, Ritter, or Clinton |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think Clark provides everything Webb does, and more |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Does Clark bring a state even more into play like Webb does in VA? |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Webb might be more of a boost in VA, but they both help in that state |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I like the boost in VA thing, but Webb will hurt us in other places...not sure Clark... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I think Webb helps just as much as Clark does in southern states |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. he's apologized. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Of course he doesn't hate women. That's not my point. This is something the Repubs can exploit... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. watch this (defending himself on CNN): |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. EXACTLY. Do we really want our VP spending his time telling the MSM why he doesn't hate women? |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. It was from 1979. I really don't think they can make an issue of it. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Wanna bet? You really don't see McCain picking a woman and then... |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. No, I really don't. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Fair enough. If Webb gets selected, I'll hope your crystal ball is better than mine...nt |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Um...wow....just, wow.... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. My 37 wives prove I love women too. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. He didnt have a women's issue in VA |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Bullshit. Not true. Not true at all. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Webb did well among women in VA |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Webb barely won by less than half of 1%...This was the ONLY attack that the Repubs ran.. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Webb won 55 percent of the women's vote in 2006. Kerry for example won only 51% |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. This was more due to the Maccaca comments...again, these ads ran non-stop...BUT AGAIN... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ouch. |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. That is why I don't want him. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Exactly. Someone like Sebelius would ensure a huge women's vote even among moderate repubs nt |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. I think if we don't have a woman on the ticket McCain will... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Moderate Republicans won't vote for a woman and a |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. So how did she get so popular in a blood red state again? Just wondering...nt |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Maybe the Republican was a worse choice? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. She's Pro-Choice, in trouble with the bishop for it, not supposed to go to Communion. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'd like for him to keep that senate seat. I wonder if it would go |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. YES...That is my fear too. It took a crappy candidate saying Maccaca... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
16. Military Women Endorse Webb |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I live in the DC area...I experienced the campaign daily...yes Webb dealt with this issue... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Everybody will have to deal with something |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That wasn't the case in the Senate race. It was his 80s writings that caused issues...and.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. The man who opened the way for women's rights in the Navy? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You miss my point. I hold NOTHING against Webb for this...but this will be an issue the Repubs... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. sandnsea, what do you think about Webb as VP? n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Other than the penis stuff in his book |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Honestly, the attacks on his fiction writings fell on deaf ears...those went nowhere...but.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Compare Virginia to WV, KY, PA, OH |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. His answer was that these things were based on actual events he saw, many times... |
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CaptJasHook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
35. I didn't know about this stuff |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. He rethought it in the 80's |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. He really has rethought his position, and is doing a great job in the Senate...Let's leave him there |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. He's also pretty tight with the military and that worries me. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Ferraro sucked as a candidate, so did Mondale...this is not a good reason to stay away from women... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. The fact that they picked Ferraro before investigating her |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
74. I think they were both good candidates, |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. Women in the military are being rapped and abused. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I just would rather our VP augment Obama's strengths instead of sending us down a rathole... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I don't like counting VPs before the primary is over. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
47. I can't think of one instance in history when a VP candidate caused the ticket to lose. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Fair point. Quale did not do Bush any favors...nt |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. People didn't know much about Quale. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Here's one. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, Lieberman didn't cost Gore the election. Gore won and the Repukes stole it from him. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. There is no reason why it had to be so close. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. That's not the point. Lieberman may not have been popular with all Dems, but... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I'll say it again. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'll say it again. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Delete |
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rove karl rove (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
50. Jim Webb, bad choice for Obama |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
57. Webb's a good guy, but he needs to hold that Senate seat for at least one term |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Good to know. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Nothing secret about PNAC. He didn't sign their original plan for Iraq in '97 |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That rules him out ENTIRELY. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Those secret groups have plans that we don't agree with. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. God help us another PNAC mole. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. A patriot questions his government leaders. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I'm not being sarcastic. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
62. Wow. This is trash that was spewed on Free Republic in 2006 |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Google it and see it is not a Republican lie. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Try rereading the OP. This is NOT about whether Webb believes this crap. This is about... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. These secret elite organizations exist. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Just to be clear, my OP has nothing to do with secret elite organizations...I was discussing... |
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muryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
75. I haven't paid much attention to the Obama/Vp threads lately |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
76. I love Webb as a Senator, but he is crazy |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
81. That is a good point. I also think we need his Senate seat. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
82. sexism is ok, racism is not - dont you love the double standard? |
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